The origins of Haze

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Described by Sam the Skunk Man as “R. Haze” and “J. Haze”,


I would suggest that watson is haze. He likes playing with aliases.
He is Jingles haze. You have to guess on the brothers nickname. It was probably Ratfink Haze. Yep Jingles and Ratfink. Ratfink became a Christian, turned Himself in, and They had a falling out. Jingles split with the seeds. He then began his journey of spinning tales, and telling Whoppers.

How Do You like My version? :)
 
Coop


Interesting read

Just another possibility too added the lineage of our nyc haze

Im curious since their is some interesting detail to the story if your buddies dad might recollect as too the taste/aromas/ effects

Since you didnt mention Nevil wit that nam strain it might upset som folk just be ready :rolleyes:


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Hi all :)
Interesting debate, from my experience at approximately 40 degree's N (A tad further south than NY) growing even a 50% haze variety outdoors such as SSH or MH and getting them into an acceptable harvest window is a nearly impossible task. In my case, it required a green house to get them into an acceptable harvest stage, and even then they were not ready by the time I watched the elements slowly pick away at my yields.

A 75% haze variety the likes of Nevilles Haze would definitely require a green house to grow the line at my position on the map or further north, such as NY for example in my experience. I believe Shanti mention's anyone within 10 degree's of the equator can grow NH outdoors, but everyone else is advised to work with it indoors.

Good to see the thread going after so long, I hope you all enjoy the reading. The entire thread is packed with some interesting discussion, thanks to all involved.
 
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Hi all,
Yes ,I would have to concur with Hempy and Jesse...
I have grown Original Haze,Nevil's Haze,Mango Haze, SSH,
Skunk x Haze,Afghan x Haze...Outdoors. much farther south than NYC and further south still than Jesse.
SSH and Afghan x Haze are the only one's that will finish...
just enough to smoke well.

Original Haze Starts to flower in october when all skunks and widows are harvested.(Mid to Late December/January Harvest in GH)

Nevil's Haze Starts to flower in Late Sept - October,depending on pheno type
(December Harvest in GH)

Mango Haze starts to flower in sept...will not finish in my climate...Late Nov - Early Dec harvest in GH

Skunk Haze same as Mango Haze late flower ,will not finish outdoor in my climate.

so it's a safe bet that if your plants are finishing outdoors in NYC...they contain very little Haze.
Thats just my educated opinion.

Scorpion
 
coop said:
i will ask again when next time i see him.
I don't know if this guy has a knack for being in the right places at the right time, but was also telling me stories of a few years earlier being in grad school in Indiana, and getting a bunch of great farm grown dope from the locals, the only thing he said was odd that they guy he got it off of did not smoke.

He didn't say anything about the tastes or flavors but got giddy describing trimming the leaf and smoking the tiny hairs that they trimmed off. :D He said two hits and you where off in another world.

I should also say that a lot of dope was grown all over specific for the new york market, there are stories of the BOL Hawaiin specific for the nyc market as well as some of Houston's finest.

I am trying to get some more info from another friend who lives in the city. He started smoking at that point but recalls most of the herb around as being seeded colombo at that time.
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Im curious to hear anything alse that might be recollected


Id like to add ,I know it may be hard for some to believe without pics .But it is wat it is ,Just my experience.i encourage anyone in the area to give it a run

I have grown Sk/hz 2 diff phenos in nyc which started flowering mid august and was chopped Nov 27 the other afew days earlier .

I have grwon NH the last 2 yrs first one started flowering the first days of september and was chopped Nov 11 .

The second grow i did a grow report pics not included side by side with hillbillyhaze at IC reservation labs gear grows THREAD.The flowering started again around the first week of september ,chopped nov 7 .


Any MNS fam/Ic fam in the nyc area can smoke my latest sample if they wish to meet .Its not easy but im still holding onto abit.


IN the land of the snow ,im goin to attempt tom hill haze and colombian gold Ill also report on 88 g13/HP which should hav no problem finishing .wish me luck



1luvbigherb
 
I've been hearing of your NYC haze for a long time now bigherb but can't find any picture
Is there an old folder I'm unaware of?
If you could post me a link to them or just post some up her I'll be very happy to see them

C.h
 
He's been asked for pics many times goran, won't post any, claims he's shown them to Nev and Shanti, his Hazes outdoors in NYC that is, but I'm sceptical they exist.
 
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He's been asked for pics many times goran, won't post any, claims he's shown them to Nev and Shanti, his Hazes outdoors in NYC that is, but I'm sceptical they exist.
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I'm sure if he has shown them to shanti and Nevil then he won't mind posting them here,
Number#1 reason most of us are here is to share and learn from others so don't see why Herb wouldn't want to show everyone especially seeing as its quite a feat getting a heavy haze hybrid to finshin in NY
 
Cheesehunter


Sorry brother no pics ,I wont post pics eva.


I have shared my experience and encourage others in the area or similar local to take a shot with these haze hybrids .my thought was all i hav to loose is a seed or 2 but the gain would be much greater ,a life lesson /experience


The though of just grwoing NH in the tropics need to be understood correctly,she will flourish in tropic condition but haze is hard to kill n i hav put it to the test more than once .I would have left her a go abit longer if weather permitted but Nh was far from premature .As coop points out the dates to the frost link .i havnt gone past that date yet .

My reason to share with Nev n shanti was to show it can be done,caz i was repeatidly knocked about it n needed an outlet .There are 3 other people who have seen pics aside from the legends


If you would like to see pics of nyc haze buds there are a few at thc farm n i believe Icmag


1luvbigherb
 
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hempy said:
Bigherb with all due respect you need to understand that firstly this is not personal secondly people that do grow sativas and heavy sativa hybrids like MH SSH and NH have an understanding of what to expect.

You can grow them i am sure in NYC but no way will you grow them to completion that is reality.

If you grow them indoors you can and this fixation you have with piff or NY haze is stupid as most of what NYC smoke is not from NYC most if not all of the commercial cannabis is being imported in and the only cannabis being grown there would be by people growing there own under lites or fast finishing lines out doors that is reality.

When i grew out doors bigheb i would plant in late September or October here and harvest in July to September yes almost a full year the plants even if they were planted in September would not show sex until say easter a few early ones would sex before then but most at or around easter so if you have snow you will have frost well before that and even if you can get them to flower there is no way in gods green earth you will be able to fully flower even a ssh let alone a NH to its maturity there facts not something i made up.

Even if you showed me a picture of a NH growing in a pot siting out side the stock exchange i still know its not being grown out doors because i know from people that have been there just how cold NYC gets there i also know from other people in areas in the us were it snows that there is no way to grow SSH MH let alone a NH out doors unless its in a greenhouse or indoors.
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hempy

it was nice to read the beginning of ur post which seem we might have a discussion as Mns fam /remeber we are on the same team unity and togetherness.I hav alway shown you respect till you let it be known how you felt about me in my early days here you ignored many of my post to you in the origins of hae thread

Then you had to throw a shot as usual.
this fixation you have with piff or NY haze is stupid as most of what NYC smoke is not from NYC
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First i have only give my opinion and experiences with Nyc hazes and no fact .

Second it is mind boggling that you hav not been to nyc nor kno anything about nyc to make such acomment ,i can say fact that some nyc haze is grown in nyc NOT the majority but some,Fact there was an article in the papers about purple haze bust uptown/bronx that tlk aout high grade being grown n sold for 500$ an ounce .

Third ive never ever said that our NYC hazes were grown outdoor

i agree that the NH might not hav gone till full potential or maturity .But IMO it was damn close ,i dont examine trichs but the pistils were 90-95% dark .The Sk/Hz no question was mature n was taken the last days of october soo no question with another 2 possible weeks or more to be outdoor she will finish .

I believe the cold help induce the early finish ,maybe being in a pot also helped.People who have grown pure sativas dont all doubt me either as some do .i dont see how you wouldnt believ wat i say ,caz i dont post pics my intention n passion r obvious to see ,i have very few threads i started nor do i pretend to kno things ,i listen more than speak .

wat you say about ssh n Nh r far from fact your not in my climate ,you posted the chart of frost ,how are you debating those facts .I havnt given a date after nov 11th n i never looked at the chart .I dont recall our first snowfal but i believe it wasnt till december our first heavy accumaltion was after xmas.

BTW
i still have parsely growing ,from last year in apot can we considerthis perennial.

ask a trusted member in NYC to do a show for ya or id be happy to civillychat with you at a gathering n show you my dvrs .if that is at all possible .

I dont wish to argue ,we should be able to debate each others opinions respectfully ,Stupid is not a respectful word .I can post a long list of stupid post from you ,but i hav no desire or do i get pleasure from negativity as some others do .

This is an interesting convo n its somthing to think about when i kno my experience but many senior some i respect debate this .It be interesting to hear what Nevil or shanti has to say about a haze hybrid maturing in this local .since they have more experience then us all.



1luvbigherb
 
I agree with what hempy said.

bigherb said:
Id like to add ,I know it may be hard for some to believe without pics
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Yup, don't believe ya, never have, one pic could change things of course....

bigherb said:
I have grwon NH the last 2 yrs first one started flowering the first days of september and was chopped Nov 11 .
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Don't believe that, 10 week NH. Also, I live in a similar climate to NYC and a NH would be dead if it lasted to November, weather is cold and wet with very short days by November. Sound like BS without pics.

bigherb said:
The second grow i did a grow report pics not included side by side with hillbillyhaze at IC reservation labs gear grows THREAD.The flowering started again around the first week of september ,chopped nov 7 .
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Links to this grow report? All I've seen from you since you appeared is juvenile interrogations and speculations.

bigherb's first ever post was Feb 2008 at icmag and he sure was clueless then, sounded like a kid, fast worward a couple of years and he still sounds like a kid, just one that thinks he knows it all now which is even more annoying:

bigherb said:
question for sam the skunkman on the original haze
sam s much respect to you and all your doings hope you hav a moment to enlighten me
i understand the original haze from the 7os was your fav of all time.im wondering if the o.haze the flying dutchmen carry today is the same as the one you speak of. im a haze lover myself its some of the most potent delicious tasting buds i ever smoked. i love amsterdam but i havnt seen haze in the coffeshops that can compare with wat we hav bac home .i know you brought the genetics out ther but were they at. id lov to see pics of the o.h. n also a smoke report if possible.
bigherb is online now
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Three years to post one single pic and nothing!

Time to put up or shut up bigherb.

bigherb said:
IN the land of the snow ,im goin to attempt tom hill haze and colombian gold Ill also report on 88 g13/HP which should hav no problem finishing .wish me luck
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Pics or stop lying.




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coop said:
you live in Spain? Not to be rude but most of you have no idea about the weather in and around the long island sound. It is in fact on the tip of the subtropics and with the jet stream and a few other positives creates very varied micro climates then even the weather 30 miles inland. I still need to see to believe, but this is no magical fairly land where no one grows and and plants don't etc. Its some of the best farm land east of the Mississippi.
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your insight is appreciated



1luvbigherb
 
BH

your whole image is BS,wat happened in holland with eddie ,wat happen with logic karma my duuu.



You have slammed nevil every opportunity in the past then,you got a brown nose wen he came to the site :confused:.there are many open post to prove it .They have been posted n you dogged him in sevral pms i have saved .you outright lied about me n ur pm convos.You neva once told me to not pm you .you trooled me b4 our fallout here just as you do now.

Your comments were unnesscessary,Your a 3 face closet grower .who i dont kno howgot an originsof haze pice in HT that hda nothin revealing an less than aparagraph of actual origin.You n the other fella sourced my thread at the time wen i was a noob


I grow haze outdoor in nyc you hav a hard time grow sativas indoor big difference:D
 
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