The origins of Haze

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hello fplks,

just thought I would add Mr Haze420 is real and so are his claims and I believe they have been confirmed by Shanti here on MNS.
"a couple of years ago".


I believe he still holds some gems to this day, he is also a distributor of MNS product in Amsterdam.


Glad to say I have shook his hand, he is another living ledgend.






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[hempy]

much respect

i dont wish to come off negative or unappreciative ,i want to kno everything thats all

reality check yourself caz im right

they dont have to explain shit
again id lov to hear wat you disagree about on the points i make as for nothin being documented.

i dont believe until i reasearch , ive gotten much info from our home at mns and also much to ponder on

Your right about what ? You go by what others say that have no clue big yet don't believe what is sed by people like shanti that in fact do know.

you are one for insistance i got the story of neville coming to NYC,which you argued about then L33t recollected and helped you remember .

i belive i also recall you sayin in private convo that you knew the name of the fellow neville collected the seed stock from ,soo you really hav a pair to ask why should anyone explain themselves wen you speak of suppose facts wit half a story

Big you can ask l33 and i am sure he will post supporting what i am about to say here in this paragraph what your saying here is complete bull shit.

Yes i do know the story about were Neville collected the haze seeds from and from who but i have never told any one or have i ever posted on what city or date he as in Neville collected the seeds from what i did say was it was from with in the us full stop that is all the info i have ever sed period and i am willing to back what i am saying here with me deleting my account from mr nice seed co and icmag the only 2 sites im active at if i am lieing.

From memory my conversation with l33 took place at pg chat we were chatting about haze and i believe sams bull shit posted we he sed that he alone gave Neville a clone and Neville had broken his ward and made seeds well fact was Neville collected pure haze from with in the us not collected from the dam l33 tried throwing a few city's around and i sed nothing just sed a city with in the us now i am not sure how many city's the us has but i am thinking a lot.

This alone big shows me how good you info and sources are you my friend have got it very very wrong and im far from happy im in fact pist off you are dragging me into this stupidity and stating things that are un true.

then we hav ic n i believe thcfarm member hazeman/420 or somthin who claims he worked with neville on ?OSH and claims to hav seen the charts but doesnt add anything more then that

much respect to neville he has my love 100%
but he had nothin to do wit the creation of ohaze almost as much as SAMS.soo why do you speak as if neville or shanti knows the brothers or their story wen its reported neville got seeds in nyc and not from the brothers ?
did you leave somthin out is their more to the story of nev collecting seeds did he actually meet a brother wen visiting NYC?

you are most priviledged to hav sat wit shanti but your facts are i believe incorrect ,now again the brothere were not growers nor breeders they were consumers
the ohaze was always grown from the same seed stock not new stock made each year.

Big what are you on about you need to stop you want to take up a cause go help feed the starving .

The Australians were possibly exporting more cannabis grown here than even the Hawaiians were its documented fact haze did not come from there it came from the us mainland (the line was worked in Europe) witch has also pist a lot of Americans off reality is often hard to swallow

again another hempy fact incorrect

and im the one that believes everything

No big documented facts large very large plantations grown in many places with in australia that was imported to the us via San Fransisco GRIFFITH was one place alone.

Go read this big this should keep you out of trouble for a while. http://eprints.qut.edu.au/15949/2/02whole.pdf

sams stated that the thai was introduced last of the four strains in 72/74wateva ,wat work was done in holland if he came in 84 n gav nev stock/clone in 85 ,if the TFD version of OHAZE is thai dom .
again sams stated he never worked the line as much as he tried to save it again another dot in HH verison

im not arguin just givin facts lol but im gonna put this to rest for now


and yess id lov to hear all about this distinct taste of boel ohaze ?

1luvbigherb

Facts my ass all your giving me is a headache.

 

[JessE]

again id lov to hear wat you disagree about on the points i make as for nothin being documented.

Hi BigHerb,
One of the major problems I see with your research is that you're using a melting pot of stories, some with more veracity than others which will inevitably bring you into the deep water you find yourself into today. Some of the information you're presenting as fact is anything but, for example your insistence on mentioning NYC in relation to Haze.

you are one for insistance i got the story of neville coming to NYC,which you argued about then L33t recollected and helped you remember .

Below is a link to a discussion surrounding hempy, l33t and NYC.

http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/showthread.php?t=1606&highlight=Nevil&page=12

Originally posted by L33t
Actually I heard about NYC from a different source not you , so it wasn't guessing really as you say , I just wrote what I heard and by mistake I posted that it was from you , while it was from a different source I had heard that info. I wouldn't speculate and make up a city name like that out of the blue mate. You corrected me over ic and I posted you had never given any specific info.
Now, some people say that Nev told that story , about the NYC acquisition and haze , to others in Holland , i don't know if true or not but seems there are people that believe this story and there are reports that mentiona lot of resemblance between NY piff /haze and mrnice hazes , MangoHz NH etc and this I find quite interesting.

So as you can see Herb, you're not right. The NYC connection with Haze has yet to be sourced to anyone credible within the industry, and unless any of you are able to do so I would recommend you stop presenting this information as fact.

Originally posted by British Hempire

Hempy, nevilel bought a seed collection from an old hippy in NYC in 1986, then claimed his '1969 Haze Bros Haze' came from this seed acquisition. Well, there certainly was a shitload of Haze shipped to NYC by the BOEL, it was grown in Hawaii and shipped to the US in vacuum packed packages with a dragon label on them. The BOEL's biggest market by far was NYC, if you go through the Senate papers of the BOEL hearings, there is a ton of detail about where their weed was grown, where it was shipped to, how it was smuggled etc.

http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/showthread.php?t=1606&highlight=Nevil&page=25

Do you mean the 1973 Senate Hearing of the BOEL Hashish smuggling and Pass Port fraud? If so, where exactly does it mention Haze being sent to NYC from Hawaii? If you check out page n127, it mentions Hawaii on pages 20, 22, 23 and 29. Note the word Haze does not appear in this same section of the book anywhere.

http://www.archive.org/stream/hashishsmuggling00unit#page/n1/mode/2up

Originally posted by British Hempire

The BOEL shipped a lot of Haze to NYC back in the day, took them a while to build up that market, but it eventually became possibly their biggest soruce of profit.

British Hempire,
I would invite you to stop posting unsubstantiated claims as fact unless you're able to properly source your material. Unless you're able to produce documents mentioning "Haze" and the area's in question you're clouding the overall body knowledge. Which clearly makes an already confusing situation for some worse.

British Hempire

The ball is indeed in my court, I shall return it with interest before long, if you have ever done any serious, studous research you will know how much time it takes, and perhaps it would take less tiem if I did not allow myself to be distracted by people with no insight but plenty of bile.

http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/showthread.php?t=1606&highlight=Nevil&page=10

So you've had the ball in your court for months now, time to either provide the proper documentation of Haze being in these localities or cease from presenting them as fact.

 

[bigherb]

Your right about what ? You go by what others say that have no clue big yet don't believe what is sed by people like shanti that in fact do know.





Big you can ask l33 and i am sure he will post supporting what i am about to say here in this paragraph what your saying here is complete bull shit.

Yes i do know the story about were Neville collected the haze seeds from and from who but i have never told any one or have i ever posted on what city or date he as in Neville collected the seeds from what i did say was it was from with in the us full stop that is all the info i have ever sed period and i am willing to back what i am saying here with me deleting my account from mr nice seed co and icmag the only 2 sites im active at if i am lieing.

From memory my conversation with l33 took place at pg chat we were chatting about haze and i believe sams bull shit posted we he sed that he alone gave Neville a clone and Neville had broken his ward and made seeds well fact was Neville collected pure haze from with in the us not collected from the dam l33 tried throwing a few city's around and i sed nothing just sed a city with in the us now i am not sure how many city's the us has but i am thinking a lot.

This alone big shows me how good you info and sources are you my friend have got it very very wrong and im far from happy im in fact pist off you are dragging me into this stupidity and stating things that are un true.





Big what are you on about you need to stop you want to take up a cause go help feed the starving .





No big documented facts large very large plantations grown in many places with in australia that was imported to the us via San Fransisco GRIFFITH was one place alone.

Go read this big this should keep you out of trouble for a while. http://eprints.qut.edu.au/15949/2/02whole.pdf



Facts my ass all your giving me is a headache.

i knew this would happen its not my wish nor intent,i havnt shown any blatant disrespect but you get quite emotional ,which i like to an extent lmao

if you recall you poked at this topic wit your no offense and the haze ends and starts wit neville,soo if your getting a headache do as british hempire put it to rest

my intent is too give fact as recalled/recollected and documented to the best of my ability by people still alive an active i hav contact with

of course i believe shanti,as long as ive been a member shanti never gets much into these convos he always states somthin like proof is in the seed n genetics speak for themselves I 100% agree mns has haze bros haze

now please give me a quote or anything shanti has said about the origins of haze from sant cruz,description of taste/aromas of ohaze description of the parents of mns hazes ABC

this is wat im sayin im right about

the lack of detailed /documented info on the origins/characteristics of haze in 1969 santa cruz

neville hazes in S.holland that mrhaze420 is indeed familiar wit are like fossils of dinosaurs we kno bits an pieces why not the whole story?

the parents of mns haze ABC for the most part the only info ive gathered is A is lumbo dom spicy etc n C is thai dom etc are you happy or satisfied wit just that ,id exspect a bit more on the parents history do you disagree?ABOVE question this is indeed fact becaz all the info i seek above is unavailable

Big what are you on about you need to stop you want to take up a cause go help feed the starving

what type of response is that seems you at a loss or words ,or just not educated

apologies as to my recollection

i kno you were involved in convo on the story of neville comin to nyc ,BH,L33t an others hav also posted that this story is quite popular in holland.
again you hav said you kno who and where in the u.s. wit wat intentions? ,for wat reason ?if your not sharing info

quote l33T
Actually I heard about NYC from a different source not you , so it wasn't guessing really as you say , I just wrote what I heard and by mistake I posted that it was from you , while it was from a different source I had heard that info. I wouldn't speculate and make up a city name like that out of the blue mate. You corrected me over ic and I posted you had never given any specific info.
Now, some people say that Nev told that story , about the NYC acquisition and haze , to others in Holland , i don't know if true or not but seems there are people that believe this story and there are reports that mentiona lot of resemblance between NY piff /haze and mrnice hazes , MangoHz NH etc and this I find quite interesting

.

this is your post i quoted

The Australians were possibly exporting more cannabis grown here than even the Hawaiians were its documented fact haze did not come from there it came from the us mainland (the line was worked in Europe) witch has also pist a lot of Americans off reality is often hard to swallow

No big documented facts large very large plantations grown in many places with in australia that was imported to the us via San Fransisco GRIFFITH was one place alone.

wat does aussie hav to do wit anything,wats your point ?

im tryin help here, if you read my perentisies

wat i was pointing out is you claim im the one who believe wateva gets posted but you believe SAMS who i point out makes contradictions that dont add up ,the thai was introduced in cali in 72/74 wateva n he worked the line but it was still thai dom 10 yrs lata OK
believe wat you wish seems you might be havin trouble swallowing



its interesting how you only answer wat you wish but avoid other subject such as wat ''#'' acknowledges of the OSH

1luvbigherb

 

[JessE]

Herb, are you unable to document the New York claims you've made in this thread? If not, I would invite you to recant your claims that this information is fact now. It seems as if you're relying on others, who themselves can not verify the information they have presented as fact, and you, yourself, are insisting this information to be fact.

 

[bigherb]

Hi BigHerb,
One of major problems I see with your research is that you're using a melting pot of stories, some with more veracity than others which will inevitably bring you into the deep water you find yourself into today. Some of the information you're presenting as fact is anything but, for example your insistence on mentioning NYC in relation to Haze.



Below is a link to a discussion surrounding hempy, l33t and NYC.

http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/showthread.php?t=1606&highlight=Nevil&page=12

So as you can see Herb, you're not right. The NYC connection with Haze has yet to be sourced to anyone credible within the industry, and unless any of you are able to do so I would recommend you stopping presenting this information as fact.

http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/showthread.php?t=1606&highlight=Nevil&page=25

Do you mean the 1973 Senate Hearing of the BOEL Hashish smuggling and Pass Port fraud? If so, where exactly does it mention Haze being sent to NYC from Hawaii? If you check out page n127, it mentions Hawaii on pages 20, 22, 23 and 29. Note the word Haze does not appear in this same section of the book anywhere.

http://www.archive.org/stream/hashishsmuggling00unit#page/n1/mode/2up



British Hempire,
I would invite you to stop posting unsubstantiated claims as fact unless you're able to properly source your material. Unless you're able to produce documents mentioning "Haze" and the area's in question you're clouding the overall body knowledge. Which clearly makes an already confusing situation for some worse.

http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/showthread.php?t=1606&highlight=Nevil&page=10

So you've had the ball in your court for months now, time to either provide the proper documentation of Haze being in these localities or cease from presenting them as fact.

well im a great swimmer

EVERYONE understand this when i say fact im strictly referring to THE LACK OF DETAIL ON OHAZE including all the above ive mentioned MNS PARENTS /NEVILLE OSH/THE 1969 accident that created the most famous strain to date but there is nothin really documented

jesse
Some of the information you're presenting as fact is anything but, for example your insistence on mentioning NYC in relation to Haze.

where have you been
it is FACT this story has been mentioned by numerous people before i came on the net ,my only solo relation ive stated is my comparison of experiences with NYC hazes and mns reported TASTE/AROMAS ,which now im reassured after smoking/growing neville haze and skunkhaze

thanks for the link

again not fact but the story/legend thats been told my many that ive just reported again

soo why wouldnt hempy or anyone that knows tell us than so we can stop the guessing or carring on the legend?

i know nothin of the boel but id love to hear about this distinct taste/aroma of boel haze

like ive said before wen my info is compile i will give respect where its due by stating this is the story presented to me by whom not this is gods word .

i hav no experience wit strains of yestetyear or haze i wasnt born
all i can do is listen to the stories presented and make a conclusion based on common sense and what stories share most in common

AGAIN
ive asked since ive first come on the net for anyone/everyone's description of ohaze ,ive gotten a handful to date

SOO ive come to mns to find info becaz of my love for nyc frankies and the frankincense trait in mns haze


do you an hempy feel we should leave this be and let the world forever believe the story of the colombian ,mexican ,s.indian ,thai introduced by a man of many contradictions?


1luvbigherb

 

[jaybutta]

Cartman - The Fu-k!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-bSZd1vM_A

 

[JessE]

Cartman - The Fu-k!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-bSZd1vM_A

Clear.

 

[Skunkha]

Haze IBL

The Flying Dutchman's version prior 2005, I believe, is the real deal (changing my tune slightly from previous).

Even the seeded herb was a joy to smoke. The smell in flowering is the distinctive, heady Haze aroma.

So, is it worth growing for smokables?...No. The finishing time is about twice as long as a hybrid with about half the yield, if that. Add a risk factor for something to go wrong during its long growing cycle and the factor is now 5X. Does Original Haze reach 5 times better than a hybrid? No. Maybe 1.5X or possibly 2X (from my own too brief encounters with the haze).

The real beauty of Haze is its combination with other varieties adding many if not most of its qualities to the resulting cross. I have not proved this personally with this plant yet but looking at industry reports it is clear that the great qualities of sativa hybrids come from haze used in the strain makeup.

 

[bigherb]

Herb, are you unable to document the New York claims you've made in this thread? If not, I would invite you to recant your claims that this information is fact now. It seems as if you're relying on others, who themselves can not verify the information they have presented as fact, and you, yourself, are insisting this information to be fact.

where do you and hempy see me sayin the info i present is fact ,maybe you can quote me

why is your verison/hempy verison fact ?where is your documents?

nothin is fact except we live and die /life is pain /mns is the home away from home of haze

wat ive stated is fact is the lack of info/documents on the history of ohaze in cali/holland ,nothin more except my personal experiences

you yourself know nothin is documented ,including mns haze parents ,nev's OSH,sams involvement in ohaze breeding,or nev comin to nyc (unless we can look at his passport lol)

the only documents i hav on nyc haze is my many hours of home footage on golden/brown spicy/incense/catpiss wispy/foxtails of our many hazes that are the from uptown

yes im relying on others who were there who are still active ,who hav given more info than yourself and hempy my friend


1luvbigherb

 

[hempy]

where do you and hempy see me sayin the info i present is fact ,maybe you can quote me

why is your verison/hempy verison fact ?where is your documents?

nothin is fact except we live and die /life is pain /mns is the home away from home of haze

wat ive stated is fact is the lack of info/documents on the history of ohaze in cali/holland ,nothin more except my personal experiences

you yourself know nothin is documented ,including mns haze parents ,nev's OSH,sams involvement in ohaze breeding,or nev comin to nyc (unless we can look at his passport lol)

the only documents i hav on nyc haze is my many hours of home footage on golden/brown spicy/incense/catpiss wispy/foxtails of our many hazes that are the from uptown

yes im relying on others who were there who are still active ,who hav given more info than yourself and hempy my friend

where do you and hempy see me sayin the info i present is fact ,maybe you can quote me

you are one for insistance i got the story of neville coming to NYC,which you argued about then L33t recollected and helped you remember .

i belive i also recall you sayin in private convo that you knew the name of the fellow neville collected the seed stock from ,soo you really hav a pair to ask why should anyone explain themselves wen you speak of suppose facts wit half a story

Right there big i am far from imprest with you big you lied right here alone.

See big shanti did tell me how Neville collected his haze and from were the difference is tho i did not think it was right or is it my place to repeat the story i was told and i have not told any one not because shanti told me to never repeat it i just believe it is not my place to shanti has posted lots of info on the haze threw the years a lot of it was posted at cw in his forum.

So as i have not told any one any key points to the story apart from Neville collected seed from the us the rest you posted is fabrication lies in short and i don't know what your problem is big but its like your chasing your tail around.

People for years have tried to rubbish Neville discredit him on many things it seams to me that they are suffering cannabis envy and in all honesty i cant blame Neville for not being part of the canna community its become a joke.

You big are so desperate to link the haze to it being grown in nyc its become you main focus.

Like some of the kids in cali they only belive good cannabis comes from cali well big when i was growing up almost every back yard had cannabis growing in them here you think only the us smoked and grew it think agine not one cannabis plant is native to the us.

All sativas are not haze only the strain called haze witch is a hybrid that came from the haze brothers that was worked in Europe by a few can be called haze.

Ow and big this frankencense your on about do you know even some erly skunk lines had the smell when burning but as you know it all you would know that to right.

Do me a big favor big don't lie about me in the future grow some real haze out and your in the right place to find it and focus on the big picture that is keeping the info real for those that come to sites like this to read and educate them selfs on growing this plant and the history of both the plant and its strains and the breeders behind given strains.

 

[JessE]

Jesse - ball in my court?

I have zero respect for you since you ripped off/stole the information for your shoddy article from my work that took me many months to research.

British Hempire,
Sure, this hilarious notion of yours holds water as long as nobody goes to the first page of this thread and see's my article posted before yours.
Take a look for yourself...
Example 1a
http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/showthread.php?t=1606

Or as long as they dont talk to the publisher and find out the article was actually written and submitted months prior to its posting here at Mr. Nice Seeds. (As is mandatory for all articles that ran in the December 2008 edition).

Example 1b
http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/member.php?u=311

Or click on this link to see there is at least a two month deadline date to be met from submission to publication.

http://www.treatingyourself.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=33042


Or speak with the guy who did the editing for me, you might have heard of him?

And to top it off, your "research" wasnt even completed when you decided to post it in my thread. And apparently it is still not completed, yet you have the nerve to claim I stole your research?

Originally posted by British Hempire

Anyways, i didn't post the section of my piece here to stimulate political debate or Arjan/GHS bashing, I just want to consult Shanti and other knowledgeable folks to get my facts straights and gather further info!

Example 1c
http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/showpost.php?p=18627&postcount=10

Example 1d

Here is the piece I wrote about the origins of Haze, I would really like to be able to get the true story ironed out and written down once and for all, but in the absence of more info, I've taken the route of sitting on the fence and explaining both ssides of the story (Sam's and Nevil's).

http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/showthread.php?t=1606&page=3


It might also help if they do not check out the post where you called all of your "own" "research" bullshit? Coincidentally, I still stick to my work.

This is the accepted story as promulgated since 1985 by Sam, RCC and others.

It's BULLSHIT.

Now I just have to explain why it's BS, that will take a little while...

http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/showthread.php?t=1606&page=9

Originally posted by British Hempire

I don't believe happyhi's story at all, just doesn't fit with what others have told me, I spent a long time researching this subject, long before Jesse wrote his article, I've spoken to all kinds of offline people and I've pretty much ironed out the story, problem is, it just causes endless debate and argument and I'm sick of it, have been for a long time.

http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/showthread.php?t=1606&page=25

Yes, I caught this absurd statement as well. Long before there was a British Hempire, I was posting on these forums and test growing MNS Mango Haze. Long before there was a British Hempire, myself and others concerned themselves with the nuances of this line. So there goes another little theory of yours out the window.


You're a liar. Plain. And. Simple. This is the bed you've made, now you're going to lie (pun intended) in it!

 

[hempy]

Jesse - ball in my court?

I have zero respect for you since you ripped off/stole the information for your shoddy article from my work that took me many months to research.

That's why I haven't presented any more since, I don't want people like you stealing it and claiming it as your own.

When I am 100% finished then I shall present my research, not before.

In the meantime, carry on speculating, it's mildly amusing.

If jesse had his article published in December 08 and your article was published January 09 i cant understand how he could steel or plagiarize your article not like he shears your pc.

It would of been handed to the mag a month or more before and he would of written it edited it long before that also so how could he its impossible.

 

[bigherb]

where do you and hempy see me sayin the info i present is fact ,maybe you can quote me



Right there big i am far from imprest with you big you lied right here alone.

See big shanti did tell me how Neville collected his haze and from were the difference is tho i did not think it was right or is it my place to repeat the story i was told and i have not told any one not because shanti told me to never repeat it i just believe it is not my place to shanti has posted lots of info on the haze threw the years a lot of it was posted at cw in his forum.

So as i have not told any one any key points to the story apart from Neville collected seed from the us the rest you posted is fabrication lies in short and i don't know what your problem is big but its like your chasing your tail around.

People for years have tried to rubbish Neville discredit him on many things it seams to me that they are suffering cannabis envy and in all honesty i cant blame Neville for not being part of the canna community its become a joke.

You big are so desperate to link the haze to it being grown in nyc its become you main focus.

Like some of the kids in cali they only belive good cannabis comes from cali well big when i was growing up almost every back yard had cannabis growing in them here you think only the us smoked and grew it think agine not one cannabis plant is native to the us.

All sativas are not haze only the strain called haze witch is a hybrid that came from the haze brothers that was worked in Europe by a few can be called haze.

Ow and big this frankencense your on about do you know even some erly skunk lines had the smell when burning but as you know it all you would know that to right.

Do me a big favor big don't lie about me in the future grow some real haze out and your in the right place to find it and focus on the big picture that is keeping the info real for those that come to sites like this to read and educate them selfs on growing this plant and the history of both the plant and its strains and the breeders behind given strains.

now i clearly understand why many convo's wit yourself and others go sour

there was really no reason for you to catch this tone ,all i first said was REALLY NOW info is very much lacking reguarding the haze history (in my mind) surprised you dont agree your N / kidding yourself you kno better wen you were implying the line ends n begins wit nev

im not here to impress only GOD CAN JUDGE ME

its INDEED CLEAR YOU DONT WISH TO KNOW THE TRUE ORIGINS OF HAZE

AGAIN
its interesting how you only answer wat you wish but avoid other subject such as wat ''#'' acknowledges of the OSH


do me and yourself a favor stop callin me a LIAR and try to make sense of your post and quotes

LMAO
whatcha drinkin ,are you serious this is wat you quote as my B.S.facts ,IS THIS NOT TRUE ?

nothin is fact except we live and die /life is pain /mns is the home away from home of haze

wat ive stated is fact is the lack of info/documents on the history of ohaze in cali/holland ,nothin more except my personal experiences

hempy
Right there big i am far from imprest with you big you lied right here alone

i apologized for being incorrect if you didnt notice or you dont except apologies .im human and i just open my eyes without my expresso as i was posting n my recollection wasnt through or exact

below is a 2 quotes from yourself where i can call you a LIAR as L33T didnt guess shit /or was it just a bad recollection

quote l33t referring to your convo at planet ganja
Actually I heard about NYC from a different source not you , so it wasn't guessing really as you say

HEMPY
L33 asked me from were i told him from with in the us and one of the citys with in the us he as in l33 tryed to gess wich state and i or no one has ever sed nyc or has sed wich state or city or from who it was collected from

HEMPY
The haze line starts and ends with nev, whether you want to go forwards or backwards. It was first offered at the seed bank and nevs has won all awards associated with haze.
the seed bank never offered the haze line just hybrids of the haze line

HEMPY
See big shanti did tell me how Neville collected his haze and from were the difference is tho i did not think it was right or is it my place to repeat the story i was told and i have not told any one not because shanti told me to never repeat it i just believe it is not my place to shanti has posted lots of info on the haze threw the years a lot of it was posted at cw in his forum

i truly understand and respect that its not your story to tell,but again its distrubing almost childish why would you go on to say you know it all with wat intention if not to reveal the truth ???

as ive said i wasnt around for CW n the info is no longer availale on the net soo ive com here n searched IC stil left with no conclusion

HEMPY
So as i have not told any one any key points to the story apart from Neville collected seed from the us the rest you posted is fabrication lies in short and i don't know what your problem is big but its like your chasing your tail around

AGAIN
wat ive stated is fact is the lack of info/documents on the history of ohaze in cali/holland ,nothin more except my personal experiences and REPEATING THE STORY OF NEVILLE COMIN TO NYC TO COLLECT HIS STOCK <ITS NOT MY STORY IDONT CLAIM THIS FACT JUST DAMN INTERESTING AND IN MY MIND A PIECE TO THE PUZZLE

FOR THE RECORD THIS WAS TOTAL SARCASM a joke of rediculous 411 on facts
im not arguin just givin facts lol but im gonna put this to rest for now fact shanti has posted a lot more info than any breeder about there lines threw the years is more than any one can expect.

FACT is the haze brothers were growers not breeders FACT is the made seeds each year for there commercial grow and struck gold fact Neville collected seeds and the FACT Neville got hold of the oldest and best haze witch is offered still today upsets a few it seams im starting to thing people don't like the FACT Neville collected what he did achieved what he did life

your facts are INFACT incorrect except maybe that nev got the oldest n best haze

I NEVER LIED SINCE A CHILD honesty is the best policy , IM THE TRUTH

Ow and big this frankencense your on about do you know even some erly skunk lines had the smell when burning but as you know it all you would know that to right

well it goes to show your feelings toward me ,it would hav been appreciated if you dropped by my frankincense trait in haze thread .i have som more thoughts to add
such as quite a few S.E.asian strains and indica wit theis frankincense/incense trait just been busy collecting info to rewrite history


i dont hav any problem but you callin me a liar and you avoiding valid points ,i stated my respect since this debate started which ive neva intended to debate ,just let everyone kno my plans to reveal the truth to the world

its has become quite fustrating to explain things , as i say somthin n you percieve it as you wish or just avoid it

ohh and i have grown som real haze but you probably havnt acknowledge this either ,and my nevile haze was grown outdoor in NY surely without tropical conditions and was wat i was exspecting n more

soo im done wit this convo

 

[JessE]

ohh and i have grown som real haze but you probably havnt acknowledge this either ,and my nevile haze was grown outdoor in NY surely without tropical conditions and was wat i was exspecting n more

soo im done wit this convo

Hi BigHerb
I think you have it all wrong my friend. If you post information that is inconsistent with what can be sourced to trusted authorities, you must be prepared to defend those positions instead of blowing up once challenged. Thats not how it works herb. And now you're upset with the people trying to help you, instead of sitting down and listening. If you or anyone else are unable to source the information you provide, that is a problem whether it upsets you or not.One thing you seem to also confuse is sativa varieties with that of the variety(s) known as Haze. Not all sativa varieties are Haze. I would love to see pictures of your outdoor grown Nevilles Haze in New York, considering Ive had difficulty bringing in a 50% haze line remotely close to its true harvest period with a green house I am surprised to learn of someone bringing in a 75% Haze variety a little bit further north than myself outdoors with no mention of a green house.

 

[La Buena Hierba]

a close friend from Maui who in fact new the guy they called Mr Maui the guy that breed the line they called Maui Wowie he died some years ago in an accident but i never heard them use the term haze they had other lines like blood and others .
.

line/strain like the Blood ?
is it like the original haze with blood?meabey
http://www.google.nl/imgres?imgurl=http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/100OH_blood_3x1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php%3Ft%3D82182%26page%3D12&usg=__RUSDZNT_ei92ei61eqi9PwHIwrs=&h=427&w=640&sz=71&hl=nl&start=10&sig2=qB8_4ikEFaHulTZ0lvBgAA&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=THVi5nq3s1XmcM:&tbnh=91&tbnw=137&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dred%2Bblood%2Boriginal%2Bhaze%26um%3D1%26hl%3Dnl%26sa%3DG%26rlz%3D1T4SUNC_nlNL359NL359%26tbs%3Disch:1&ei=H8bqS7HSLuiVOIeSibAL

 

[La Buena Hierba]

Cartman - The Fu-k!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-bSZd1vM_A

lol

 

[JessE]

Jesse - ball in my court?

.

What seems to be the problem? Isnt that what you said?

The ball is indeed in my court.

http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/showthread.php?t=1606&highlight=Nevil&page=10

Why are you trying to distance yourself from your Hawaii and NY claims now in relation to Haze? Focus British Hempire, focus! You were initially questioned by another member of this forum nearly a year ago to provide sources for the same information you've been challenged on today.

I do.
so why wait?
where I come from we have a saying
"Do it
then Talk about it."

so far its all just a bunch of hype...no facts
no evidence
nothing but accusations,slander
,...pure fiction,
you say Hempy was not there,
you say Shantibaba was not there...

Were you there?

I think not,
for if you were you would not be so quick in the mouth and slow in the brain.
if you have a point...
Make It!

This is a Cannabis Community for education and propagation of the same...
if you have nothing positive to offer us
I would be glad to invite you to go else where.

the ball is in your court so to speak.

Scorpion

http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/showthread.php?t=1606&highlight=Nevil&page=10

After you failed to do so, you posted this post below claiming the information you're posting is supported by the BOEL Senate Hearings. The same information you challenged on previously.

I don't believe happyhi's story at all, just doesn't fit with what others have told me, I spent a long time researching this subject, long before Jesse wrote his article, I've spoken to all kinds of offline people and I've pretty much ironed out the story, problem is, it just causes endless debate and argument and I'm sick of it, have been for a long time.

Hempy, nevilel bought a seed collection from an old hippy in NYC in 1986, then claimed his '1969 Haze Bros Haze' came from this seed acquisition. Well, there certainly was a shitload of Haze shipped to NYC by the BOEL, it was grown in Hawaii and shipped to the US in vacuum packed packages with a dragon label on them. The BOEL's biggest market by far was NYC, if you go through the Senate papers of the BOEL hearings, there is a ton of detail about where their weed was grown, where it was shipped to, how it was smuggled etc.

Neville was a very smart guy, he undoubtedly heard this story and by telling people he got his Haze in NYC would tie into the truth about where the original Haze came from - Hawaii then mostly shipped to NYC.

All the California Haze tales are just obfuscating the truth, those Hawaiian Haze shipments were commanding insane prices, hundreds of dollars for an ounce, so you can bet that every grower in Cali was desperate to get a piece of that action for themselves. There were very, very few seeds in those Haze parcels from Hawaii, most were sensimilla, some had one or two seeds in a pound. I expect every single seed that was found was grown out, hoping to find something they could sell as Haze. Also, every grower with his own quality sativa strain would have been trying to sell his crop as Haze.

Problem is, the original Haze from Hawaii was so distinctive in taste and smell that it's very hard to find something similar, hence all these stories of different Hazes - silver, purple, rootbeer, whatever. I'm reliably told by more than one source that the original Haze taste once experienced is never forgotten. The Cali Hazes are all imitations of the real thing. Sam's story about the Haze Bros beginning their work in 1971 is way too late, the BOEL was falling apart by then and the Haze from Hawaii had dried up.

What really casts doubt on Neville's version being the real Haze from Hawaii is that you can't find that distinctive Haze taste in any of Neville's Haze variants, so either Neville got seeds that weren't Haze unknowingly, or he took a high quality sativa hybrid of some other origins and called it Haze.

It's all academic now, Neville's Hazes are great, obviously they contained some very special genes from Colombia and Thailand, but the exact origins and lineage we will never know, just as we will never know what G13 really was and where it came from, and to be honest, does it really matter? Grow the friggin plants and enjoy em, that is what matters.

http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/showpost.php?p=49084&postcount=250

As you know, that information was directly challenged and you have once again failed to support your position.

http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/showpost.php?p=49153&postcount=260

Example 1a. Shows that not only does your BOEL Senate Hearing source fail to mention Haze in connection with Hawaii and NY, but that you have no idea of the true source of the NY story.

Instead of just admitting you can not source this information at all, you instead move on to make even more unsupported claims.

Originally posted by British Hempire

I have zero respect for you since you ripped off/stole the information for your shoddy article from my work that took me many months to research.

That is simply untrue, and as I am about to demonstrate my article was sitting on the shelves at stores across the world while you were requesting further information from the members at THCFarmer with your "very rough draft."

Example 1b 12-22-2008
http://www.thcfarmer.com/forums/f53/very-rough-draft-haze-article-4017/index2.html

Now while you were working on your very rough draft, how do you propose I took your post three days before Christmas and then traveled back in time months to submit your stolen research for publication to the magazine? Time Travel?

Interesting that as of 12-23-2008 your article was not published, and still in the works. Slated for future publication, while my article was submitted and published while you were still in the early stages of your writing process. Thats right, sitting on the shelves and in subscribers homes while you were still working on your project diligently.

What is it they say about money? That its the root of all evil British Hempire?

http://www.thcfarmer.com/forums/f53/very-rough-draft-haze-article-4017/index2.html

So when I posted my article here at the forum on Christmas day 2008, you were still working your article? Yet I stole your research? Even though my article was sitting on the shelves before you even posted at THC Farmer, and was written, edited and submitted months prior to that? How exactly do you figure?

Hey what is the date on this British Hempire? November 2009? Seems like nearly a year after my article was published, over a year since it was written and submitted. What is it they say about money again?

http://hightimes.com/magazine/ht_admin/5860

Now British Hempire, I think you should be ashamed of yourself.

 

[bigherb]

funny guy

i understand your character

you look to argue about who wrote wat first ,most of both your info come from the thread i started 2/19/08

somtime in the makin 8 months or soo lol

what has been inconsistant in my post ?

what am i not listenin too?
im all ears always
you BOTH havnt provided any info or answers to my questions and hav avoided valid points i make ,NOR HAV YOU OR HEMPY PROVIDED DOCUMENTS

nothin is really documented as for wat i seek ,soo who are these authorities and where is the documents? maybe mrhaze420 pics of nevs chart /nevilles diary or passport

jesse
One thing you seem to also confuse is sativa varieties with that of the variety(s) known as Haze. Not all sativa varieties are Haze.


what ???am i confused about ? is it the nyc haze you refer to ,i hope not


lol
i truly hope you dont think im lying ,i hav home footage of both the plants and buds of my 2 sk/hz
and 1 nevilles haze,i hope one day soon too meet the mns family at a function of som sort such as ic cup .

now i think a bit different of you both


i just hope nobody tryin save anyones ass caz you both got defensive very quick

 

[hempy]

big you remind me of a soap opera on TV you can go watch it 20 years later and it is still the same no difference still boring and some what painful to watch and has no educational value lol.

Big we all have a right to an opinion we all have a right to post and express what we believe but what we don't have a right to do is lie or distort the facts and then post telling every one it is true when it is not.

Neville collected real haze no documentation needed proofs in his and shantis work.

The problem with this community is to many want to feel impotent and or are only focused on greed and the damage its doing in large.

Do me a favor big leave me alone don't post telling people i sed something i did not in the future you can dance around it all you like but it was done and all you had to do was say okay i saw it posted here my mistake but you keep it going with posts like above be mature admit when your wrong and the expect the fact you were not there and what you say has no relevance and unless you were there or spoke to some one that really does know the best you can do and offer is what most normal people do and that is to research put your opinions out there and back them up with quotes from people that were sounds very straight forwed back up your claims .

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I don't want to come back and post agine here big or do i want to communicate with you any longer your just no fun lol.


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