Not far enough in flower to tell but looks like C offspring. The selected CG13 was actually a pretty dificult plant to grow. Most of the old growers stayed away from it but it happened to like me for some reason so i grew it quite some times. So if it is CG13 and he knew he could have picked an easier plant to grow lol. But again, i wouldnt grow anything GH produced after 2000 but Franco had quite a library of plants they did not produce and he happened to have the exact same 75% Haze i grew 6 or 7 years before with the exact same hermie tendencies in the exact same week of flowering. And he had Nevils Haze too and he also labeled them as different plants.The old g13hz C.
Not far enough in flower to tell but looks like C offspring. The selected CG13 was actually a pretty dificult plant to grow. Most of the old growers stayed away from it but it happened to like me for some reason so i grew it quite some times. So if it is CG13 and he knew he could have picked an easier plant to grow lol. But again, i wouldnt grow anything GH produced after 2000 but Franco had quite a library of plants they did not produce and he happened to have the exact same 75% Haze i grew 6 or 7 years before with the exact same hermie tendencies in the exact same week of flowering. And he had Nevils Haze too and he also labeled them as different plants.
Im not sure which haze your refering too, but im on about 5ac in particular. There were some earlier versions made of it before nevil perfected it early 90's. 5ac refers to 5axhzC aka nl5hzAxhzC. Here is the evidence it an many hybrids including many that never were made public or neither were put in the catalogue. Nevil used to keep 5ac as breeding plant. Some of the south holland guys hold one of the early versions of 5ac.
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This list was confirmed legit right here by nevil himself, I think he also corrected one or two mistakes on it. Its from 1986-1990 breedings. You'll also see the finished version aka 1997 nevils haze (5a(2a)xhzC) isnt on the list yet as it was made just after.
Im not sure what franco was given but nevil here did say 5ac was referred to as 3/4haze as well. I do know it was franco who reversed g13hz C and along with arjan they actually sold it as nevils haze. This is ghs nevils haze from one of the disc packs franco himself made. Those who know will clearly recognize it fir what it is, the old g13hz C. If franco knew it was g13hz an knowingly put it out as nevils haze or was genuinely mislead I dont know.
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And Franco labeled it 75% Haze too. Because it was definitely not the same as Nevil's Haze.
I know Franco had it too so if "the King" knows how to keep plants alive unfortunately he's your best bet.That g13xhaze c could be really difficult for most people but wen done right was really really good. Do you know if its still about as most people are saying it got lost ?
This. And thats how "the King" and Franco and the whole of the Dam obtained a lot of stuff. They started tossing mad money on "elite clones" while other people's stuff got used without consent. Sad times really.Of course there were still quiet growers doing their thing but the trust between these growers and coffeeshops began to reduce as it all went down to the dollar
I believe you man your deal you describe is actually not unheard of. First old guy I met growing bud got started just like that. He met someone with a catalog of clones and seeds from years of past work. They owneda hydroshop and would front all the equipment neccesary for 12 plant grow 1 under each 1000(plant counts laws) they even vegged the first few rounds while old guy got settled in. He paid back equipment and owed half his grow for 1 st year. Well well worth it. Original diesel a rks esque skunk cut prozac gdp yumboldt white Russian etc etc. Point being people don't know what they dont know. Nevil knew there were other good lines out there and loved to search... this whole " greenhouse never had parent plant " doesn't matter at all. They were being supplied by nev with pinnacle of haze. Of course Franco would pop these beans and save best ones. Arjan might not know shit about growing but he has cash can easily buy elite clone only. Don't let shanti bully you with that rhetoric. Do your thing mang.And just to set it straight mine hasn't been miraculously resurrected from anywhere, Im just new to this forum and found this while looking up strawberry cough as thats likely the coughs next cross for me. That or Showboat (archive seed bank). This is the story of our cough since 2001 and then it was ours and we even had it on our menu at our dispensary at the time Medicine Man Medical Market, was the name of the dispensary. it is now held exclusively to me. I do have seeds of my cross that come out of that warehouse that are regs but im not parting ways with a single one, sorry!
Shanti comes on to his own website to lay down some truth to clarify what went down as he was there only to be called a bully by someone who wasn’t there. Kibitzers got me LMAO! No wonder he and Nevil are/were reluctant to share, what with having to put up with this crap.I believe you man your deal you describe is actually not unheard of. First old guy I met growing bud got started just like that. He met someone with a catalog of clones and seeds from years of past work. They owneda hydroshop and would front all the equipment neccesary for 12 plant grow 1 under each 1000(plant counts laws) they even vegged the first few rounds while old guy got settled in. He paid back equipment and owed half his grow for 1 st year. Well well worth it. Original diesel a rks esque skunk cut prozac gdp yumboldt white Russian etc etc. Point being people don't know what they dont know. Nevil knew there were other good lines out there and loved to search... this whole " greenhouse never had parent plant " doesn't matter at all. They were being supplied by nev with pinnacle of haze. Of course Franco would pop these beans and save best ones. Arjan might not know shit about growing but he has cash can easily buy elite clone only. Don't let shanti bully you with that rhetoric. Do your thing mang.
Nevil made all his hybrids in primary form before any catalogs seed releases. Remember he got his pure hazes in 1984. In the 80's the 5ac (the later 1997 named nevils haze) was know as 5ac an also 3/4 haze .
There was also a map made with red dots, nevils nl5haze had flooded USA already. an buy the early 90's the USA was completely covered in these red dots. Shanti might stil have one of the pictures taken. Its pretty obvious were the cough comes from as to those who know it carries the traits of haze C which were easily identified an traits from nevils 5cut which only he had.
which feels a bit out there, but i never heard anything referred to Holland this or Nevil that, and if you had access to the High Times archive, i suspect that would be reflected there and people would be calling things by their official name. now, that would be a good place to put a date on the first mention of Ft Collins, perhaps in THMQ. yes let's see that map.The first they ever heard of haze was the "holland haze" which is how I referred to Nevil's NL5hz, and thats why I always thought the haze brothers was a myth someone made up to take credit from Nevil. I realized it had some credence when I got on here and saw a lot of the old hightimes articles and heard Nevil himself corroborating the story, however I still remain a bit skeptical, because I know a lot of the people who were big on the scene over there in Santa Cruz going all the way back to Janice Joplin, and none of them ever heard of haze, except the haze I brought to that scene.
I already showed you the evidence. If you look there are dates on that list from 87 to 1990. What was sold as haze x nl (was actually nl x haze C) I put a picture up of. Most were like the picture really an the odd stocky ones wernt like the 5hz they were more sparse structurally quite different. The cough is well know, kyle had it an made strawberry cough with it an knew what it was, dynasty have it, an quite a few others.how can you know the traits when the cut doesn't exist? so 1 haze is all this way and the other is that way. ok.
the 88 catalog says NL1. haze doesn't appear before then. the 90 catalog says NL5. green merchant was 1989. so it's quite possible that the subject of this thread is a NL1 hybrid.
let's see documentation that 5ac existed in the 80's or even early 90's.
it's this guy saying holland haze
which feels a bit out there, but i never heard anything referred to Holland this or Nevil that, and if you had access to the High Times archive, i suspect that would be reflected there and people would be calling things by their official name. now, that would be a good place to put a date on the first mention of Ft Collins, perhaps in THMQ. yes let's see that map.
Kyle kushman did not make strawberry cough . He obtained it from a grower he met . He said so in an interview with the ganjieerI already showed you the evidence. If you look there are dates on that list from 87 to 1990. What was sold as haze x nl (was actually nl x haze C) I put a picture up of. Most were like the picture really an the odd stocky ones wernt like the 5hz they were more sparse structurally quite different. The cough is well know, kyle had it an made strawberry cough with it an knew what it was, dynasty have it, an quite a few others.
Would the seeds in this conversation be regularly cough ? Or are they cough x male og ? Think someone already made cough x ssh in regular form which have been out there afew years. Its a good cutting though other wise it wouldn't have been around so long.
The cough is well know, kyle had it an made strawberry cough with it an knew what it was, dynasty have it, an quite a few others.
Would the seeds in this conversation be regularly cough ? Or are they cough x male og ? Think someone already made cough x ssh in regular form which have been out there afew years. Its a good cutting though other wise it wouldn't have been around so long.
what this thread is really about then is the Dynasty narrative. what Dynasty says or was allegedly told is not very confirmable. does it have a ring of truth?
so the story is that "Sam" was not the only one in a position to acquire a few seeds, and grow it for many years? and this same person not only flew in haze circles but also nl, i see. and the Ft Collins (not really a Mecca) cut is still growing, so where is this weed being sold? who exactly in the past 20 years is selling Ft Collins Cough? you'd think a product that a lot of people have been asking for would be sold, if not in name only.
the 2 coughs have nothing to do with each other besides supposed haze ancestry and the name. how are all these people getting Haze Bros seed from late 70's Socal greenhouse sinse that only Sam and magazine contributors (assuming that Sam was not the writer of these articles, including the "leaked" 1981 catalog offering ohaze) seem to have ever seen?
i can't see exactly what your list has to do with the Seed Bank catalog.
11th century? Man, that's some old shit brah lol!...I had seeds from BOEL ranging from the 1060's through the 1980's...