1985 seed bank catalog

bodhi said:
my oldtimer friend stopped by and hes gonna ask his other oldtimer guys from the santa cruz area if they remember anything about sacred seeds, jingles, haze bros... etc... i also asked him to put out the word for old sc genetics...
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I'm curious to hear what they say, I know a lot of the original folks from big sur, up to the bay, and some of them are in Santa Cruz, a group known as the psychedelic rangers, I came to know them in the 90's they are real old now, in their 70s and 80s. They knew Timothy Leary, They were importing shit way back in the late 50's early 60's, and many of the original N cali greats can be attributed to them. The first they ever heard of haze was the "holland haze" which is how I referred to Nevil's NL5hz, and thats why I always thought the haze brothers was a myth someone made up to take credit from Nevil. I realized it had some credence when I got on here and saw a lot of the old hightimes articles and heard Nevil himself corroborating the story, however I still remain a bit skeptical, because I know a lot of the people who were big on the scene over there in Santa Cruz going all the way back to Janice Joplin, and none of them ever heard of haze, except the haze I brought to that scene.
 
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joshuahazen said:
I'm curious to hear what they say, I know a lot of the original folks from big sur, up to the bay, and some of them are in Santa Cruz, a group known as the psychedelic rangers, I came to know them in the 90's they are real old now, in their 70s and 80s. They knew Timothy Leary, They were importing shit way back in the late 50's early 60's, and many of the original N cali greats can be attributed to them. The first they ever heard of haze was the "holland haze" which is how I referred to Nevil's NL5hz, and thats why I always thought the haze brothers was a myth someone made up to take credit from Nevil. I realized it had some credence when I got on here and saw a lot of the old hightimes articles and heard Nevil himself corroborating the story, however I still remain a bit skeptical, because I know a lot of the people who were big on the scene over there in Santa Cruz going all the way back to Janice Joplin, and none of them ever heard of haze, except the haze I brought to that scene.
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WOW

never heard anything like this b4


ive been conversing with a OT on the OHAZE subject

im told tim leary being a judge of the old contest humboldt co grange took this trip wit this fella to santa cruz (after hearing of haze)where the local house parties hosted the 3 bros n sams ,there this fella met the 3 bros an SAMS ,who didnt have nothin to do wit haze but was curious as to the skunk that this fella had :confused:.the fella actually traded stock wit the bros and cliams he has haze bros seed stock posted on more than one canna site


im not sure where you heard this or exactly who from but there are off the top of my head there are 3-4 members active on the net who will tell you about the ohaze from the cruz .

id lov to hear hooterolls thoughts on this

1luvbigherb
 
Some of what OT as said must be true.
sams gets over defencive when you start hitting the truth.
he did so on Og if i remember right
 
Someone should enter in contact with Jerry Miller from Moby Grapes.
He had a band called The Original Haze around 1976.
I am aware it was mentioned by Sam and some others from his camp so I will not hope for too much but who knows...
I know he has a myspace profile.
I don't do social network MNS excepted so I never did it myself.

Peace.

K.

Michael Been, third from right, plays with Corny Bumpus, right, and Jerry Miller in The Haze band concert at Harvey West Park October 5, 1976. (Dan Coyro/Sentinel file 10-5-76)

The_Original_Haze_Band.jpg
 
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bigherb said:
WOW




im not sure where you heard this or exactly who from but there are off the top of my head there are 3-4 members active on the net who will tell you about the ohaze from the cruz .


1luvbigherb
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It's not what I heard, it's what I didn't hear. Just because the folks from Santa Cruz I was hanging with never heard of it, doesn't mean it didn't exist.

Thats why I said I was curious to here what Bodhi's old time Santa Cruz friends had to say about it.
 
I have heard from one of my friends about some shit going around in the late 60s called purple haze, in santa cruz, but it was named for the Hendrix Song not the "haze brothers", and I was told, it was completely different, and couldn't even be classed with the haze I had.
 
joshuahazen said:
I have heard from one of my friends about some shit going around in the late 60s called purple haze, in santa cruz, but it was named for the Hendrix Song not the "haze brothers", and I was told, it was completely different, and couldn't even be classed with the haze I had.
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true it was named after hendrix

purple haze was one of the four varities of OHAZE

im also curious as to wat bohdi's friends might recall


1luvbigherb
 
Purple Haze the song was number one in the US in the Summer of 67, Hendrix performed it for the first time in the US at the Monterrey Festival.

My bet is Jimi heard the term Purple Haze in California prior to moving to London which would mean the name Haze was already coined in 1965, Jimi wrote the song in late 1966 in London, he said he had a dream where he was chased by a purple cloud and that is where the name came from. Maybe he smoked some Haze before he had that dream.

Shame Peter Stafford isn't around to ask when he first heard the name Haze. Who else is there who might be around to be asked? Denis Peron, Jerry Biesler, not many guys left and they are getting pretty old now. If we don't trace the story now everyone who knows the answers will be dead.

If I were a betting man I'd put money on Haze having originated with BOEL and the surfers in the 60s when Sam Skunkman was still in school.
 
"If I were a betting man I'd put money on Haze having originated with BOEL and the surfers in the 60s "

My bet also, but sam clearly was associated in some way with boel (and has admitted to this on several occasions). If you track the time's of sams claimed travels to various producing countries (thailand, afghanistan, etc) they closely match boel activities in the same areas. This would also explain his seemingly never ending aliases as boel were heavily involved in fake id's according to several books on them. Little doubt haze was derived from the top imports of that era and who would have had more access to this than boel??
 
Joe Pietri told me that the BOEL put a load of money into setting up a big pot farm in Hawaii and that is true, they did, easy to check that fact. The BOEL went all over the world as surfers in the early days and they collected seeds from all over the place, not just the obvious places like the Pacific Coast of Mexico (great surf, Acapulco Gold and Oaxacan Gold in the south, Michoacan in the central part, Sonoran and Chihuahan in the north) and Thailand but places like Indonesia, South Africa, The Carribean, South America, if there was great surf, they went there and back then those places all had great weed.

Later on the BOEL sent people to Afghanistan to setup contacts to deal hash with, I'm pretty sure Jerry Biesler was involved with them as he lived in Afghanistan in the 60s. Sam wrote he was in Kabul in 1971, I think that was right around when Jerry left to go back to Cali, it's all in Jerry's book but I forget the dates now. Joe Pietri told me there was a group of British guys running a large legal farm in Afghanistan in the 60s and early 70s producing cannabis for pharmaceutical companies and the BOEL met them and obtained indica seeds with them. Joe told me they exchanged Haze seeds for Afghan seeds but I don't know if that is true, it could well be, at the very least I expect the BOEL exchanged seeds with those guys, whether they had any Haze or if Haze even existed then I don't know but I suspect it did.

As I've mentioned before, Joe Pietri also told me the BOEL grew Haze in Hawaii and shipped it to Cali in packages with dragon logos on, Zamalito says the same thing and posted that dragon picture I posted here. I have never verified this, there must be people around who would know if this is true or not.

If it is true, what was in those packages? I expect it was a mix of different stuff, all kinds of sativas, Mexicans, Colombians, Thais, maybe Africans, Indonesians, Burmese, Indians, could be anything given how far and wide the BOEL travelled. That would mean that Haze was never a strain as such, more a smorgasbord of top quality sativas. Joe Pietri said those shipments were usually sensimilla and there was sometimes one or two seeds in a package but most were seedless. Those BOEL imports were the highest priced best quality weed around at the time so you can safely assume any seeds that were found were grown out, all those hippies in the communes who pioneered the modern cannabis breeding scene would have been keen to grow the best seeds that they could find so I think it's pretty much a certainty that whetever came from Hawaii with a dragon on it had a input into the Cali scene in the 60s.

Of course, someone needs to find out more about what really did happen in the 60s, to verify or dispute some of these tales and it needs to be done now because it was half a century ago and the people who were around to know what happened are dying off now.
 
Are any of these old timers using social networks? Maybe they are listed on FaceBook - which by the way, is a terrific tool for networking!
SamS says he is still in contact with the Haze brothers - why have they not come out and spoken up? That question has always niggled at me.
 
Joe Pietri is the only one I've seen on Facebook.

If Sam's stories are true he could do a lot more than he has to prove them.
 
Sam's wife posted here a while back. I am surprised she has not stopped in here again to support her man. I suspect she/he will read this, so "C'mon guys, step up and debate this!" lol
 
british_hempire said:
Purple Haze the song was number one in the US in the Summer of 67, Hendrix performed it for the first time in the US at the Monterrey Festival.

My bet is Jimi heard the term Purple Haze in California prior to moving to London which would mean the name Haze was already coined in 1965, Jimi wrote the song in late 1966 in London, he said he had a dream where he was chased by a purple cloud and that is where the name came from. Maybe he smoked some Haze before he had that dream.

Shame Peter Stafford isn't around to ask when he first heard the name Haze. Who else is there who might be around to be asked? Denis Peron, Jerry Biesler, not many guys left and they are getting pretty old now. If we don't trace the story now everyone who knows the answers will be dead.

If I were a betting man I'd put money on Haze having originated with BOEL and the surfers in the 60s when Sam Skunkman was still in school.
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Purple Haze was a type of blotter acid that Jimi Hendrix was particularly taken with. It was some of the first large scale blotter ever produced. Rumor has it that he wore a headband at many of his concerts that had several hits tucked into it, the acid would soak into the skin of his forehead, while he was sweating and performing.

Jimi Hendrix claims that the song was not about drugs at all, but a dream he had about a woman, but then you would expect him to say that. Things were very different in the 60's and he could have gotten into serious trouble for openly admitting to writing a song about LSD
 
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first information tidbit:

rabbits brother says:

the haze brothers would rent out a recreation center called town & country in ben lomond (the old Hotel Rowardennan) and sometimes have private parties. they had an elite circle and were even mysterious back then. they were credited for creating one of the first strains that did really well outdoors in the county. he did not go to the parties or know them but his brother being a well respected grower was tight with them.

he also said that there is someone still around that knows alot more but is hard to get ahold of.

Hotel Rowardennan info:
Santa Cruz County History - Santa Cruz Public Libraries


so take it for what its worth... this is second hand info from way back recounted by stoners... but also a clue...

stay tuned for more...
 
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joshuahazen said:
Purple Haze was a type of blotter acid that Jimi Hendrix was particularly taken with. It was some of the first large scale blotter ever produced. Rumor has it that he wore a headband at many of his concerts that had several hits tucked into it, the acid would soak into the skin of his forehead, while he was sweating and performing.

Jimi Hendrix claims that the song was not about drugs at all, but a dream he had about a woman, but then you would expect him to say that. Things were very different in the 60's and he could have gotten into serious trouble for openly admitting to writing a song about LSD
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Owsley Stanley has verified that Purple Haze the acid wasn't made until after the song. Owsley was at Monterrey in 67 to see Jimi perform Purple Haze for the first time on US soil but the acid at Monterrey wasn't Purple Haze, Owsley said that Purple Haze was on the radio all the time when he was making Purple Haze and it was after Monterrey so the song inspired Owsley to name an acid batch Purple Haze.

The story I read was that in the dream it was a purple cloud that chased him that gave him the inspiration, could he have dreamt of a cloud of Purple Haze smoke?
 
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