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Source? Come on hempy, a soarceless cry from beyond bigs. Come on share the Almighty truth already! Quit beating around the bush! And don't forget the soarce!
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Who here thought bigherb added an additional character in his origins article.As a budding devotee of MNS I can honestly say the thought did not cross my mind. Reading comprehension is a wonderful thing! I am 50 and never was the brightest bulb in the box, but the story bigherb recounts is as accurate and believable a version as any other I have read. He hits the origin part well and his conjecture of the original haze grow is plausible.
Any poster can deny each and every point made, hey it's an open forum right? My thing is when the same thing goes on page after page with no side changing viewpoints, then there must be an ulterior motive.
Some people are truly miserable others are carriers imho. If anyone is offended by this post, let me say in advance: I am not sorry and I will not apologize. Thanks for the contribution bigherb, I appreciate 'ya. If one can not find what is real does that mean they should give up the subject? Baah I say no sheeple for me!-bk
ps: Since I'm rambling a little, why are there no photos of Sams on the net?
I appreciate the kind words
Im thankful you uunderstand my intentions an can interpet the article for how it was written
This post above is indeed what i was thinking
The question is a great one i hope some might give their answer
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Who here thought bigherb added an additional character in his origins article.As a budding devotee of MNS I can honestly say the thought did not cross my mind. Reading comprehension is a wonderful thing!
I am 50 and never was the brightest bulb in the box, but the story bigherb recounts is as accurate and believable a version as any other I have read. He hits the origin part well and his conjecture of the original haze grow is plausible.
Any poster can deny each and every point made, hey it's an open forum right? My thing is when the same thing goes on page after page with no side changing viewpoints, then there must be an ulterior motive.
Some people are truly miserable others are carriers imho. If anyone is offended by this post, let me say in advance: I am not sorry and I will not apologize. Thanks for the contribution bigherb, I appreciate 'ya. If one can not find what is real does that mean they should give up the subject? Baah I say no sheeple for me!
ps: Since I'm rambling a little, why are there no photos of Sams on the net?
Really well i for one feel the truth matters and who is bigherb any way ? A no one thats who and the only person in this story that could add any credible information to the haze story is and was always Sam well look at Sam's story its changed so many times if it was to be turned into a movie it could only be made its a B grade comedy.
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Why are you so obsessed with Sam?
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hempy
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You my friend have nothing to be cocky about time you start adding some real answers to the questions being asked of you or you better just keep quiet as thats what people do when they have nothing to add.
Why did you lie when you were asked publicly if you were gearing up to write an article on haze if you had nothing to hide you would of been honest from that point big.
Why did you say Sam's information was not credible and yet after you wrote your article and had it published and Sam then posted and changed his story from 2 haze brothers to now a 3rd you then sed his information was credible.
Why is it that every time you asked Neville a question relating to haze you brushed aside all the info you did not want to hear and only used what you your self wonted to hear and then added your own parts.
And why is it you base all your so called credible information on Sam who is a proven lier and a guy you your self sed is not credible and on a guy you have not met who is from the INTERNET and posted all he had to say is fact.
You have now exposed your self to scrutiny and comments welcome to the real world bigherb.
No amount of trying to attack me by ether your self or your mates or you troll handles will stop this now time to man up and answer a few questions honestly no more lies bigherb.
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Hempy,
bigherb is as important in the Grand Scheme of Things as Nevil or You or a homeless vagrant or me pal. So don't come after me with that fifty cent attitude and that chip on your shoulder the size of a boulder. I respect your skills sir, but your truth is less credible than you think. Your plants are very nice and your grow methods are admirable by the way.-bk
Hempy,
bigherb is as important in the Grand Scheme of Things as Nevil or You or a homeless vagrant or me pal. So don't come after me with that fifty cent attitude and that chip on your shoulder the size of a boulder. I respect your skills sir, but your truth is less credible than you think. Your plants are very nice and your grow methods are admirable by the way.
-bkI think Hempy is making valid points here and shouldnt be taking flak for saying what most have believed to be the story of haze. If haze never made it to Amsterdam i doubt we would be talking about it now, same goes for lots of other strains. The history of haze starts when it arrived in holland, who knows how and when it originated, its all folklore.
1 brother,2,10, its up to you what you want to believe, i think they hadn't a clue what they had bar good weed, i doubt they had much to compare it too in order to realise just how good it was, sams did however and im sure he got the seeds for much less than he got for them in Amsterdam!!
NL#5 and haze are both from America yet one of the best strains of all time came from an Aussie in Amsterdam, NL#5 x Haze.
Haze as we know it today originated in amsterdam.
1 brother,2,10, its up to you what you want to believe, i think they hadn't a clue what they had bar good weed, i doubt they had much to compare it too in order to realise just how good it was, sams did however and im sure he got the seeds for much less than he got for them in Amsterdam!!
NL#5 and haze are both from America yet one of the best strains of all time came from an Aussie in Amsterdam, NL#5 x Haze.
Haze as we know it today originated in amsterdam.
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I will respond to you for the last time ever ,i knew this before but its impossible to have a conversation with you
I want to ask you to please Not post in this thread .Out of Respect for Mns na shanti please do not post in this thread .The reason i ask is because you have disrespected me several times .You have repeated yourself countless times an have made no valid points
you should open your eyes no one is defending me they are just spekaing there mind about your actions .Its not about me ,but you make it seem that way
I understand you have your opinion an its obvious it wont change
I want you to know the open line of my last post
I was just saying what you thought of my post/article as these were your words .I was not referring to your feelings
Now i dont know why you cant understand there is no 3 third brother G is who Sams has spoke of in the past an referred to as j .G and R.L were the 2 main growers an only sams referred to them as haze brothers
The three brothers all related were consumers an brokers they sold much of the haze an gave themselves the name .
Read the article again maybe have someone read it to you ,the poster was created by R.L an friends ,nothing to do with G or the 3 brothers aka the haze brothers
This article was about the origins of haze if you wish to speak about austrailia ,nevils work or Sams write your own article .You dont have any idea about seeds that Sams germed an you still are unsure of where Nevil obtained his seed stock ,soo im not sure how well that will work out but best wishes .
I always tell the truth an the truth is this is the story that was shared with me from the fella who gifted me the poster an enlightened me about the 3 brothers from back east .I have done the best i could to obtain all the info possible ,i wish i could have done more
But im thankful i had the opportunity to share the story an was given best wishes to do soo .
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I have been researching haze since 2002 read every post and no G was ever posted about until after bigherbs article i want answers i want my questions answered and bigherb you have no choice but to answer them.
I would appreciate the rest of you to allow the GRAND HAZE MASTER bigherb to now speak.
You have the floor Mr bigherb were all eyes.
I would appreciate the rest of you to allow the GRAND HAZE MASTER bigherb to now speak.
You have the floor Mr bigherb were all eyes.
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Answer the questions i put to you bigherb it is you after all that wrote this article now be a good journalist and answer what i asked of you to explane and stop dancing around in the hope you can avoid the hard questions as i will just keep asking them over and over until you do.
Telling the truth is not dancing around questions put to you is it .
Telling the truth is not dancing around questions put to you is it .
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Zip-zero-zilch
I knew something was rotten down under.
What are your soarces of "facts"?
I knew something was rotten down under.
What are your soarces of "facts"?
big herb has stated that the vast majority of responses to his article have been positive and i would tend to agree, but i certainly reserve my right to maintain that certain players in the story are far from credible. the simple fact that bh is able to source every factoid to another person does make this writer (bh) credible himself and it is up to the next author to disprove what he has said. and to accuse bh of writing falsehoods without showing actual supporting evidence to the contrary amounts to little more than statements with no merit. only those players at the origin have anything to say worthy of print for this thesis.
it has been obvious to me for a long time that big herb was a budding author and in fact, i conversed with him on certain writer ethics many months ago. if he has ever made a statement about not researching to write or anything to that effect, i have yet to see it? and btw, the amount of research he has done is far greater than what is contained in that little one page paper so i am predicting you have not seen the last of bh in print? haze is one of those magic things that just continues to sparkle. peace-biteme
it has been obvious to me for a long time that big herb was a budding author and in fact, i conversed with him on certain writer ethics many months ago. if he has ever made a statement about not researching to write or anything to that effect, i have yet to see it? and btw, the amount of research he has done is far greater than what is contained in that little one page paper so i am predicting you have not seen the last of bh in print? haze is one of those magic things that just continues to sparkle. peace-biteme
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Bigherb can start by answering these basic questions his article is as valid as an empty hand to a starving man in the big picture that is haze now stop deffenting him and give him room to answer what he needs to start answering ow and theres more after these to.
Why did you lie when you were asked publicly if you were gearing up to write an article on haze if you had nothing to hide you would of been honest from that point big.
Why did you say Sam's information was not credible and yet after you wrote your article and had it published and Sam then posted and changed his story from 2 haze brothers to now a 3rd you then sed his information was credible.
Why is it that every time you asked Neville a question relating to haze you brushed aside all the info you did not want to hear and only used what you your self wonted to hear and then added your own parts.
And why is it you base all your so called credible information on Sam who is a proven lier and a guy you your self sed is not credible and on a guy you have not met who is from the INTERNET and posted all he had to say is fact.
You have now exposed your self to scrutiny and comments welcome to the real world bigherb.
No amount of trying to attack me by ether your self or your mates or you troll handles will stop this now time to man up and answer a few questions honestly no more lies bigherb.
Why did you lie when you were asked publicly if you were gearing up to write an article on haze if you had nothing to hide you would of been honest from that point big.
Why did you say Sam's information was not credible and yet after you wrote your article and had it published and Sam then posted and changed his story from 2 haze brothers to now a 3rd you then sed his information was credible.
Why is it that every time you asked Neville a question relating to haze you brushed aside all the info you did not want to hear and only used what you your self wonted to hear and then added your own parts.
And why is it you base all your so called credible information on Sam who is a proven lier and a guy you your self sed is not credible and on a guy you have not met who is from the INTERNET and posted all he had to say is fact.
You have now exposed your self to scrutiny and comments welcome to the real world bigherb.
No amount of trying to attack me by ether your self or your mates or you troll handles will stop this now time to man up and answer a few questions honestly no more lies bigherb.
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I will call you Dodge from now on, private Dodge. Dodging questions eh? Answering questions with questions eh?
Whom is your soarce if facts?
Whom is your soarce if facts?
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Sam Neville Shantibaba to name just 3 stop posting if you have nothing of value to add and time you also and the rest directed your questions to bigherb who we are all weighting on to come forth and answer my questions and all of yours to.
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you are a sick individual ,that first line makes me lol an get soo heated you cant ever imagine .Be quiet
im not one of your tea sippin buddies an i can only hope we one day meet Well after this one or maybe one more will be my last post ever to you
I dont want anyone to believe your sick thoughts ,soo i feel i hav eto respond
Its evident you have a mental illness as you can not comprehend things an tend to create your own story in your mind .
You have avoided the truth many times an do ont answer when you are wrong .You havnt added anything
Where is the The post wher i said i would not write an article please pull it up
Ask Sams what his intention of thought was by using j an now G ,not me .I dont know about a j
I dont recall using the word credible you talk like that ,My thought on sams has always been clear he has been exposed for many contradictions .But i believe he had part in the haze an it seems you aswell since Nevil recieved stock from him .
The addition of strains an dates never added up aswell as the avoiding of some things an answers to others .That doesnt mean Sams every word about haze was alie an that is not what ive said .
I can pull up post where i open up nevil eyes/mind as to haze history ,cocky NAHH the truth .I believe Nevil was soo honest he told us about his haze convo without knowing burning bush was a haze hybrid
Which would come into play where ???? if he sold Nevil seed stock from 66-70what would burning bush from 81 have anything to do with haze seeds from the cruz in 66-70 ???
My belief of him not knowing about burning bush comes from this quote
Comment once an try to make sense ,i heard your comments an answered your questions .
Stop Repeating yourself an read
j is G do you think Sams changed his story for me ??
There is no doubt sams has contradicted himself in othre words lied .In my opinion he didnt lie about it all ,just told things the way he wanted them to be told for his reasons .anything more you have to ask him
2002 at Cw you didnt nkow what haze was asked if mixing south amirica an asian was called a haze
What does your research mean nothin you cant understand what ive said many times .Nevil was around since early eightes an his stories only came to light now ,No thanks to you
Remeber Neville an Shanti had nothin to do with the Origins of haze
I dont believe i can explane anymore
I never attacked you only defended myself ,how about those haze buds on the haze poster do they look indoor or snow grown ???
Have some Respect for yourself ,show some respect for shanti ,stop your rants an outburst they are old an tiresome
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you are a sick individual ,that first line makes me lol an get soo heated you cant ever imagine .Be quiet
Well after this one or maybe one more will be my last post ever to you
I dont want anyone to believe your sick thoughts ,soo i feel i hav eto respond
Its evident you have a mental illness as you can not comprehend things an tend to create your own story in your mind .
You have avoided the truth many times an do ont answer when you are wrong .You havnt added anything
Where is the The post wher i said i would not write an article please pull it up
Ask Sams what his intention of thought was by using j an now G ,not me .I dont know about a j
I dont recall using the word credible you talk like that ,My thought on sams has always been clear he has been exposed for many contradictions .But i believe he had part in the haze an it seems you aswell since Nevil recieved stock from him .
The addition of strains an dates never added up aswell as the avoiding of some things an answers to others .That doesnt mean Sams every word about haze was alie an that is not what ive said .
I can pull up post where i open up nevil eyes/mind as to haze history ,cocky NAHH the truth .I believe Nevil was soo honest he told us about his haze convo without knowing burning bush was a haze hybrid
Which would come into play where ???? if he sold Nevil seed stock from 66-70what would burning bush from 81 have anything to do with haze seeds from the cruz in 66-70 ???
My belief of him not knowing about burning bush comes from this quote
Comment once an try to make sense ,i heard your comments an answered your questions .
Stop Repeating yourself an read
j is G do you think Sams changed his story for me ??
There is no doubt sams has contradicted himself in othre words lied .In my opinion he didnt lie about it all ,just told things the way he wanted them to be told for his reasons .anything more you have to ask him
2002 at Cw you didnt nkow what haze was asked if mixing south amirica an asian was called a haze
What does your research mean nothin you cant understand what ive said many times .Nevil was around since early eightes an his stories only came to light now ,No thanks to you
Remeber Neville an Shanti had nothin to do with the Origins of haze
I dont believe i can explane anymore
I never attacked you only defended myself ,how about those haze buds on the haze poster do they look indoor or snow grown ???
Have some Respect for yourself ,show some respect for shanti ,stop your rants an outburst they are old an tiresome
I have quoted your post bigherb as your posts are magical also they tent to vanish also after you make them lol.
You were asked if you planed to write an article and you sed no and never planed to write one and it is posted no going back on that big.
You have also posted and sed Sam is not a credible source of information and you know you have big and the haze story was 2 brothers from Sam not 3 and G big only got posted by Sam after your article in short came out and Sam came along and sed yes big there now was a haze brother called G lol.
You after your article turn around and say now Sam is credible well excuse me but you cant call some on credible after you have sed his not credible and its even worse when it is for the validation of YOUR WORK.
In the CW days in 2002 i was lorning researching studding about haze and other modern cannabis lines all my information is from the people that can be traced to haze bigy Sam Neville Shantibabs you or your phone INTERNET buddy can not.
You can bull shit all you want big and be nasty and abusive as i expect no less from you but these are the facts.
The only person who knows or we thort new the real haze history is Sam no one else and his credibility's shot to shit so if his your source its useless even more so that a guy you know from the INTERNET who you got your info from the phone with.
The truth is this they dont know what haze is or what cannabis lines was used to breed haze and at the time the original haze was breed Sam was in school and the only true validated history on haze is from the point Sam and Neville germinated the old haze seed and then selected and preserved the haze in hybridized haze lines we all see today.
The rest is all bull shit and you look like a goose.
And you did not answer my questions honestly or in full bigherb.
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All you did was repeart yourself again ,i answered your questions more than once .Im not goin to repeat myself
My post vanish ,come on brother .Are you serious ,i hav never erased a post ever an honestly if i wanted to i dont know how ,all i know how to do is edit .
where did you quote the post ,i asked you to pull it up an you havnt
you are impossible ,somthing is really wrong id love to find out exactly but i think i know .
Are you out of your mind your still talking about a third brother
I cant no more im really done with you .
you make as much sense as a penny ,you dont belive what sams says about the origins but you believe what happen when sams an nevil germed there seeds .that makes sense ,it also makes it clear your nuts an your the one who tries to valiadte your story/theory
you have no idea about any of the truth ,the truth is in your mind
Are you done here dodge
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Please leave the thread or come back when you can add somthing of substance to this convo not the one you have created in your mind
My post vanish ,come on brother .Are you serious ,i hav never erased a post ever an honestly if i wanted to i dont know how ,all i know how to do is edit .
where did you quote the post ,i asked you to pull it up an you havnt
you are impossible ,somthing is really wrong id love to find out exactly but i think i know .
Are you out of your mind your still talking about a third brother
I cant no more im really done with you .
you make as much sense as a penny ,you dont belive what sams says about the origins but you believe what happen when sams an nevil germed there seeds .that makes sense ,it also makes it clear your nuts an your the one who tries to valiadte your story/theory
you have no idea about any of the truth ,the truth is in your mind
Are you done here dodge
?Please leave the thread or come back when you can add somthing of substance to this convo not the one you have created in your mind
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I do not understand how you can claim to not know about J and yet in your article you claimed to have spoken to J ?.
3 haze brothers now big
Bigherb please enplane lol..
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I though i would try to change the tone ,if you dont mind ill reply here
My poster
http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/135129-post130.html
The complete text from grandaddymike
http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/135205-post133.html
There is site which gives a better picture i think an shows the soil recipe .You can also purchase a reproduction poster
About the ingredients not being correct i recall somthing like that an had a comment at Ic that the red saw dust is why the plant took 9 months my Reply below
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I though i would try to change the tone ,if you dont mind ill reply here
My poster
http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/135129-post130.html
The complete text from grandaddymike
http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/135205-post133.html
There is site which gives a better picture i think an shows the soil recipe .You can also purchase a reproduction poster
About the ingredients not being correct i recall somthing like that an had a comment at Ic that the red saw dust is why the plant took 9 months my Reply below
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