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Source? Come on hempy, a soarceless cry from beyond bigs. Come on share the Almighty truth already! Quit beating around the bush! And don't forget the soarce!
Who here thought bigherb added an additional character in his origins article.As a budding devotee of MNS I can honestly say the thought did not cross my mind. Reading comprehension is a wonderful thing! I am 50 and never was the brightest bulb in the box, but the story bigherb recounts is as accurate and believable a version as any other I have read. He hits the origin part well and his conjecture of the original haze grow is plausible.
Any poster can deny each and every point made, hey it's an open forum right? My thing is when the same thing goes on page after page with no side changing viewpoints, then there must be an ulterior motive.
Some people are truly miserable others are carriers imho. If anyone is offended by this post, let me say in advance: I am not sorry and I will not apologize. Thanks for the contribution bigherb, I appreciate 'ya. If one can not find what is real does that mean they should give up the subject? Baah I say no sheeple for me!-bk
ps: Since I'm rambling a little, why are there no photos of Sams on the net?
Who here thought bigherb added an additional character in his origins article.As a budding devotee of MNS I can honestly say the thought did not cross my mind. Reading comprehension is a wonderful thing!
I am 50 and never was the brightest bulb in the box, but the story bigherb recounts is as accurate and believable a version as any other I have read. He hits the origin part well and his conjecture of the original haze grow is plausible.
Any poster can deny each and every point made, hey it's an open forum right? My thing is when the same thing goes on page after page with no side changing viewpoints, then there must be an ulterior motive.
Some people are truly miserable others are carriers imho. If anyone is offended by this post, let me say in advance: I am not sorry and I will not apologize. Thanks for the contribution bigherb, I appreciate 'ya. If one can not find what is real does that mean they should give up the subject? Baah I say no sheeple for me!-bk
ps: Since I'm rambling a little, why are there no photos of Sams on the net?
I appreciate the kind words
Im thankful you uunderstand my intentions an can interpet the article for how it was written
This post above is indeed what i was thinking
The question is a great one i hope some might give their answer
1luvbigherb
Big the only bull shit here is coming from you and Sam i have not insult you or attacked you now you and a few others go on the defensive why ? The minuet you put your name or handle to an article (You swore you were not going to write) you open your self up to scrutiny and comments so live with it.
The haze brothers didn't produce the posters ha well who did there marketing agency ? lol.
Sam's own post big 2 haze brothers R and J. and thats how the story went for a decade or more.
The fact are Sam has lied and when lies are used and one can not keep a story the same over time it makes the persons ward no longer valid as people can no longer trust what is sed .
So nothing past the point of the seeds being germinated in sam and nevilles hands hold any relevence any longer from were i sit and i garante you many more right threw this community and the rest of the canna community also see it as i do.
The truth matters as does history but if history keeps changing by those that are meant to be part of it well then its no longer believable is it.
You Bigherb as a journalist had a responsibility to tell the truth and you failed because you have sed many times in the past Sam's information was no longer credible and yet soon as he supported The New Addition / new story to the haze with the new extra brothers being G Sam became credible again for you now that is pathetic .
You ask Neville questions and yet you only take from the answers what you your self want brushing the rest away you are honestly not writing down history you are putting to print a bull shit story you want to see printed.
You guys can bull shit all you like but the facts are there.
Facts
For a decade or more Sam has sed there were only 2 haze brothers only after Bigherbs article G the third was added and okayed by Sam Fact.
The source of your story is from a guy you dont know or ever met and it was related to you by phone fact.
The person your using to back your story and add authenticity to your article is Sam who you your self have sed many times is no longer credible fact.
So the credible sources are bigherb Sam and G who you spoke to on a phone lurfuble.
Hempy you have expressed your feeling ,Bullshit an awaste of time
I will call you Dodge from now on, private Dodge. Dodging questions eh? Answering questions with questions eh?
Whom is your soarce if facts?
You my friend have nothing to be cocky about time you start adding some real answers to the questions being asked of you or you better just keep quiet as thats what people do when they have nothing to add.
Why did you lie when you were asked publicly if you were gearing up to write an article on haze if you had nothing to hide you would of been honest from that point big.
Why did you say Sam's information was not credible and yet after you wrote your article and had it published and Sam then posted and changed his story from 2 haze brothers to now a 3rd you then sed his information was credible.
Why is it that every time you asked Neville a question relating to haze you brushed aside all the info you did not want to hear and only used what you your self wonted to hear and then added your own parts.
And why is it you base all your so called credible information on Sam who is a proven lier and a guy you your self sed is not credible and on a guy you have not met who is from the INTERNET and posted all he had to say is fact.
You have now exposed your self to scrutiny and comments welcome to the real world bigherb.
No amount of trying to attack me by ether your self or your mates or you troll handles will stop this now time to man up and answer a few questions honestly no more lies bigherb.
You raise some interesting questions Bigherb, but not ones that I can answer. My guess is that Sam got these seeds from an old Master. One thing I am convinced of is that these seeds were part of his working gene bank and were irreplaceable. He was reluctant to sell.
I also clearly remember that the first 6 plants came from batches dated prior to 1970.
As I said before, the plants were hybrids. By all means, see if you can get to the bottom of this. I have given my testemony.
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I didn't say the bag was labeled burning bush. Sam said something about burning bush being an ancestor of the Haze. If Sam is Knowsitall4sure then he didn't smoke Haze til '71.
If that's true, what would he know about seeds made by somebody else 2 years before he had even smoked the variety?N
Well Bigherb, I wouldn't swear on a kilo of Haze Hash, that he told me that he grew them himself.
I seem to remember one batch had a number of years mixed together something like '66,'67,'68. A prominent ancestor was a thing called "Burning Bush". If Sam didn't grow burning bush then the person that did will be able to tell us more.
you are a sick individual ,that first line makes me lol an get soo heated you cant ever imagine .Be quietim not one of your tea sippin buddies an i can only hope we one day meet
Well after this one or maybe one more will be my last post ever to you
I dont want anyone to believe your sick thoughts ,soo i feel i hav eto respond
Its evident you have a mental illness as you can not comprehend things an tend to create your own story in your mind .
You have avoided the truth many times an do ont answer when you are wrong .You havnt added anything
Where is the The post wher i said i would not write an article please pull it up
Ask Sams what his intention of thought was by using j an now G ,not me .I dont know about a j
I dont recall using the word credible you talk like that ,My thought on sams has always been clear he has been exposed for many contradictions .But i believe he had part in the haze an it seems you aswell since Nevil recieved stock from him .
The addition of strains an dates never added up aswell as the avoiding of some things an answers to others .That doesnt mean Sams every word about haze was alie an that is not what ive said .
I can pull up post where i open up nevil eyes/mind as to haze history ,cocky NAHH the truth .I believe Nevil was soo honest he told us about his haze convo without knowing burning bush was a haze hybrid
Which would come into play where ???? if he sold Nevil seed stock from 66-70what would burning bush from 81 have anything to do with haze seeds from the cruz in 66-70 ???
My belief of him not knowing about burning bush comes from this quote
Comment once an try to make sense ,i heard your comments an answered your questions .
Stop Repeating yourself an read
j is G do you think Sams changed his story for me ??
There is no doubt sams has contradicted himself in othre words lied .In my opinion he didnt lie about it all ,just told things the way he wanted them to be told for his reasons .anything more you have to ask him
2002 at Cw you didnt nkow what haze was asked if mixing south amirica an asian was called a haze
What does your research mean nothin you cant understand what ive said many times .Nevil was around since early eightes an his stories only came to light now ,No thanks to you
Remeber Neville an Shanti had nothin to do with the Origins of haze
I dont believe i can explane anymore
I never attacked you only defended myself ,how about those haze buds on the haze poster do they look indoor or snow grown ???
Have some Respect for yourself ,show some respect for shanti ,stop your rants an outburst they are old an tiresome
only true validated history on haze is from the point Sam and Neville germinated the old haze seed and then selected and preserved the haze in hybridized haze lines we all see today.
originally posted by bigherb
Where is the The post wher i said i would not write an article please pull it up
Ask Sams what his intention of thought was by using j an now G ,not me .I dont know about a j
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Originally posted by bigherb
During the seventies, three brothers from new jersey, two of whom were attending college in the Cruz , started to bring large amounts of the haze back east during a series of trips. The three brothers lets call Joey Bobby and Petey. All three brothers were great writers and cannabis connoisseurs who were the ones to coin the name “haze brothers``. While No one else called them by the name, the Santa Cruz team had created more creative names for the brothers. The eldest brother, J whom I spoke with recently has been quite busy and furthermore successful is doing quite well. Throughout the years, J followed his passion went on to become a great writer and still lives in the Cruz. Back then, J was cut out of the circle for breaking the cardinal rule which was the kiss of death. The brothers were strictly consumers that brokered large amounts of haze back east. They knew nothing about growing it, but they were very familiar with smoking it. During the late 1970’s, most of the haze on the east coast, particularly the tri-state area, came from the brothers.
Originally posted by Bigherb
I always tell the truth an the truth is this is the story that was shared with me from the fella who gifted me the poster an enlightened me about the 3 brothers from back east .
As ive mentioned before im not expert of any kind my experiences are limited ,but from my understanding an what your sayin is it takes a long time for the saw dust to release its nutrients .
I forget at the moment where i read this. I will say its not from my source,as i had more detailed questions pertaining to other things. But i understand somthin was said that the reciepe wasnt exact .which i could an cant understand
But to my understanding the flowering time is genetic related