The True Origins of Haze- BigHerb's Article

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bigherb said:
Hempy you have expressed your feeling ,Bullshit an awaste of time


Now your just repeating yourself an being disrespectful .If you can not add any light to the situation or give an opinion without being nasty please dont post in here .


It boggles me you said you read the article as you keep saying things i havnt said

Again the above was a story or detail that Sams told wooden boxes an posters chopped on it .i didnt say that just as i didnt say i am not writing an article

The haze brothers didnt didnt produce posters ,It was R.L an this was aboutt the time that G an R.L had the fallout .I believe this hsows 2 different men with 2 different mentalities .

You seem to not comprehend the 3 brothers were the ones who sold the haze in bulk .they had nothin to do with growing it ,again they were from Nj an they are not J/G or R/R.L .Sams when telling his verison of events of the 2 main growers referred tpo them as such an than when on to say he will be teh first to admitt they did not call themselves that .

As for the 3 brothers they are the one who were in the Ht R reoprts an the story of teh surfer boy an his magic beans was written about long before i was born .I find that a small coincedince ;)


A few quotes from hooteroll who had posted here











Its amzing how you compare my article an the others again they had nothing to do with the origins an factually have a mere paragraph based on the Cruz


You speak as if you know somthing ,its clear you know nothing about haze when you have argued with Sams who was there an told us you know where nevil collected his haze in the US .Than sometime later Nevil claims personllay written done on MNS site that he collected haze from Sams

You still carry on how Nevil has the oldest an purest haze ,No he does not its not possible Nor probable .Why from what has beeen posted why from what i have been told from my source why because what Sams has told me in PM


but its clear below again one more time ,some quotes from Sams




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Above shows clearly that Sams wasnt there in 69 Soo therefore he Nor Nevil would have 69 Seed stock .Now he openly say that above with his 76 reference.It also shows what he said an ive said that the thai crossed to haze was a Haze hybrid therfore why i say Nevils stock is not pure


Now the Only reason the Thai was used is Only because after inbreeding for 10 yrs or soo the line Didnt produce as it once didnt an suffered loss of vigor not effect or taste but wasnt possible to use for commerical production .

Soo i believe its FACT an very safe an fact to say that the thai crosses are hybrid while the original haze was pure punto rojo




As ive said many times in the past this Describes Sams role right above



As ive said before the 3 brothers that brokered the haze not G or R.L ,ive spoke with one on the phone .The info ive shared on him can be sourced ,which was confirmation in the info i recieved my from source .The original haze poster can be sourced as it has copy rights an i believe it fair to say anyone with it would have to have been in the Cruz are in the 70's .The 3 brothers from those Ht articles shared a similar story about haze which was published by R the Ht writer can be sourced .Soo without sayin any names this is the most that can an i believe will be revealed .

Im sure if christ came down an told the story there will stil be non believers

Instead of sayin bullshit or Knocking me ,id appreciate if you said i dont agree an why .Its cool to converse we dont have to agree but lets not get emotional or childish .


I hope a peaceful haze discussion can continue from us all



1luvbigherb
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Big the only bull shit here is coming from you and Sam i have not insult you or attacked you now you and a few others go on the defensive why ? The minuet you put your name or handle to an article (You swore you were not going to write) you open your self up to scrutiny and comments so live with it.

The haze brothers didn't produce the posters ha well who did there marketing agency ? lol.


It is absurd that neville said he got 1969 O Haze seeds from the Haze Bros.
#1 Neville first traveled to USA in 86 or 87 at the earliest, the main Haze Brother, R was gone, retired in Mexico by 82 he did not come back for 10 years. He was the one that created O Haze. The second Haze Brother J quit growing O Haze about 1980 and only grew Skunk #1 after that, until he became a reborn christian, then he quit growing, and anyway recently he told me he never met Neville and he certainly did not sell any Haze seeds to him or anyone else ever.

The Haze Bros had a falling out in the late 70's and stopped talking to one another, for certain they did not sell seeds as the Haze Bros to anyone, it is ridiculous as well as impossible.
Lets be honest Neville got the seeds from me, but he had promised me that he would not make pure Haze and sell them as such, I told him it was fine to make Haze hybrids with other varieties that were not mine.
He broke his word and started selling Haze pure and hybrids with my varieties, and I stopped working with him.
Maybe he lied to avoid the problems that accompany breaking your word? I can not say, but I know Neville did not meet the Haze Bros and did not get any O Haze seeds from them. Both the Haze Bros were close friends of mine and both were close neighbors for years, J lived a few hundred
meters from my house until he departed to Mexico.

-SamS
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Sam's own post big 2 haze brothers R and J. and thats how the story went for a decade or more.

The fact are Sam has lied and when lies are used and one can not keep a story the same over time it makes the persons ward no longer valid as people can no longer trust what is sed .

So nothing past the point of the seeds being germinated in sam and nevilles hands hold any relevence any longer from were i sit and i garante you many more right threw this community and the rest of the canna community also see it as i do.

The truth matters as does history but if history keeps changing by those that are meant to be part of it well then its no longer believable is it.

You Bigherb as a journalist had a responsibility to tell the truth and you failed because you have sed many times in the past Sam's information was no longer credible and yet soon as he supported The New Addition / new story to the haze with the new extra brothers being G Sam became credible again for you now that is pathetic .

You ask Neville questions and yet you only take from the answers what you your self want brushing the rest away you are honestly not writing down history you are putting to print a bull shit story you want to see printed.

You guys can bull shit all you like but the facts are there.

Facts

For a decade or more Sam has sed there were only 2 haze brothers only after Bigherbs article G the third was added and okayed by Sam Fact.

The source of your story is from a guy you dont know or ever met and it was related to you by phone fact.

The person your using to back your story and add authenticity to your article is Sam who you your self have sed many times is no longer credible fact.

So the credible sources are bigherb Sam and G who you spoke to on a phone lurfuble.
 
i keep wondering why sam didn't use haze (punto rojo) to make skunk and instead use columbian gold and acapulco gold...
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hempy is defending this like it was his own child.



coulda sworn the dude was there with G and RL and sams......


orrrrrrr not.
 
"The red headed step child"

Wow man you showed your true motive. I thought OZ has produced 2-4 and maybe more good breeders, not to mention the haze going to OZ in search of the Grail. You sound like a bigot nationalist.

Here is one for ya hempy who was growing in in OZ when TJ and GW were in places like Virginia? Will you accept that theory as the real haze brothers?

You base your facts on a "liar" don't ya?
 
bushweed said:
G went to mexico and changed his name. RL went to Holland with Jingles.
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You know bushy the story telling of big is not even usable around a campfire in a smoke out lol.

All the old guys i have met or know that grew and some still grow the legend lines lots would love to grow never ever big noted them selfs or the story's surrounding the lines they grew and grow all that ever mattered to Aussie growers and i am sure most American and other growers was the quality of the end product and nothing more i think its a little egotistic for people to try and ride the back of bull shit and hype decades later.

The reality is with out the likes of Neville and Sam the 2 main characters in the haze story no one would be growing or enjoying haze be it in haze hybridized form to this day and that is the only real viable and credible history to this story that matters any more.

Sam's story keeps evolving well so does the haze hybrids lol.


Elmer grow up add something of value or dont add a thing.
 
itsbenfun said:
"The red headed step child"

Wow man you showed your true motive. I thought OZ has produced 2-4 and maybe more good breeders, not to mention the haze going to OZ in search of the Grail. You sound like a bigot nationalist.

Here is one for ya hempy who was growing in in OZ when TJ and GW were in places like Virginia? Will you accept that theory as the real haze brothers?

You base your facts on a "liar" don't ya?
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Were are you from itsbenfun because you have no idea what australia had or still has in the way of cannabis that is clear in your posts.

Australia has more than 4 good breeders the population may not be as large as say the US but lots of people smoke cannabis here and grow cannabis here and have for a very very long time.

Do you really think we needed the dutch to give us seed to grow think again do you really think we needed Cali genetics again wrong.

When i was a kid growing up on a farm little did i know until i was older and my father told me the farms all around us were full of cannabis my father wanted nothing to do with it so he didn't.

You guys keep your fixation with Cali i know what we had and know what we still have here.

There are big grows still going on here so big that there spotted by 747 pilots at cruising hight time you lot woke up and smelt the cannabis lol.

Cannabis was planted here as soon as white settlers came and who knows maybe the natives had it growing before then to after all they are the oldest culture on this planet.


jetlife i am not even going to replie to you.



You guys are pist because bigherbs article blew the bull shit wide open tuff take your frustrations out on him not me if you have any thing of substance to add by all means do so if you dont stop acting like dicks.
 
blackberry said:
i keep wondering why sam didn't use haze (punto rojo) to make skunk and instead use columbian gold and acapulco gold...
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No one knows what haze is so why are you saying haze is (punto rojo) it could be African for all we know time to tell the truth fellas.

Every one and the place they come from wants to feel important in the canna community well the reality is every one had a hand in it not just cali not just australia and not just south America the hole dam planet contributed and its time you all realized it.
 
Minnesota and Wisconsin. Where are you from hempy? I bet you'll dodge that question too.

You are obsessed with discrediting any thing American. Your a nationalist whith a agenda.

Do you base your facts on the same "liar" you speak of so often?
 
itsbenfun said:
Minnesota and Wisconsin. Where are you from hempy? I bet you'll dodge that question too.

You are obsessed with discrediting any thing American. Your a nationalist whith a agenda.

Do you base your facts on the same "liar" you speak of so often?
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Im from australia and no i am not here to discredit any one just here to tell the truth and the truth it seams is a hard and bitter pill for some of you to swallow well try taking it with water lol.

You and others are obsessed with arguing and trying to make lies look credible well you are failing and failing badly i mite add its time you direct your frustrations to those that do lie like big and Sam being just 2.
 
Wow, Australia. We have a word for guys like you here.

Do you base your facts on your so called liar?

I have heirloom sativas hempy, so quit acting like some sativa saint.

Where are the answers to my simple questions?
 
i wasnt looking for a response hempy....

not trying to troll you either. im not discrediting what you hold, or have grown buddy. at all.

but i feel like you are beating a dead horse here my man. your initial intent has been lost in the heat of the moment. i see some of your points you bring up. i really do.

hempy, i would absolutely love to read what you come up with.

the best way to prove bigherb wrong is to write a more solid piece bro.

i hope i havent offended. trying to stay respectful man.

all the best.

JL
 
itsbenfun said:
Wow, Australia. We have a word for guys like you here.

Do you base your facts on your so called liar?

I have heirloom sativas hempy, so quit acting like some sativa saint.

Where are the answers to my simple questions?
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So have i but what has that and the rest of yours and others peoples bull shit have to do with the topic at hand ?.

Its as clear as day you lot are trying to deflect heat away from bigherbs article and the foundations of lies its built on but let me to be the first person to tell you your wasting your time doing so as this bull shit can not now or ever be sweepted out of site.

And Why dont you just stick to the topic.
 
Does any out there still have columbian red?

whats your columbian like, Hempy?

i dont get why it says g "backcrossed" males to the females if they were the same generation, wouldnt it just be the next "f" generation if it was a pure strain he was working with.

and didnt nevil say there were seeds from 67-70 labeled when he got them? it couldnt have just started in 69 if that were true.
 
I have presented them go read them i have also heard it from one of the people that did grow out the real haze seed.
 
jack hairy said:
Does any out there still have columbian red?

whats your columbian like, Hempy?

i dont get why it says g "backcrossed" males to the females if they were the same generation, wouldnt it just be the next "f" generation if it was a pure strain he was working with.

and didnt nevil say there were seeds from 67-70 labeled when he got them? it couldnt have just started in 69 if that were true.
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Mate the seed Neville germinated and grew out that were used to create his haze hybrids and are still what Mr nice co offers are sed to be from 69.

The point of history from were Sam and Neville germinated the haze seed selected and made haze hybrids can be verified and to a point that story's not change from then to now but all the rest before that time has changed so much that not one bit of it can be used any longer or be believed.

They dont know what haze is or was that is the truth of it.

The haze brothers for years were 2 now since the article they became 3 maybe one was cloned lol.

Its all been built on a foundation of lies and bigherb has just caused it all to just come crashing down and now there is rubble thanks to him as he had this need to be famous well his now famous for writing a lie and couseing the rest to implode thanks also to Sam who once again changed his story.
 
Question

Who here thought bigherb added an additional character in his origins article.As a budding devotee of MNS I can honestly say the thought did not cross my mind. Reading comprehension is a wonderful thing!
I am 50 and never was the brightest bulb in the box, but the story bigherb recounts is as accurate and believable a version as any other I have read. He hits the origin part well and his conjecture of the original haze grow is plausible.
Any poster can deny each and every point made, hey it's an open forum right? My thing is when the same thing goes on page after page with no side changing viewpoints, then there must be an ulterior motive.
Some people are truly miserable others are carriers imho. If anyone is offended by this post, let me say in advance: I am not sorry and I will not apologize. Thanks for the contribution bigherb, I appreciate 'ya. If one can not find what is real does that mean they should give up the subject? Baah I say no sheeple for me!:cool:-bk

ps: Since I'm rambling a little, why are there no photos of Sams on the net?
 
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