The origins of Haze

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OK,

I'm going to say a few things real fast.

First, Scorp, you didn't understand my post last night, it was meant to get you out of this gorramn thread, so you wouldn't have to waste your time with all this petty bullshit. Why get in a huff over changing the mind of one person, who you will probably never meet, who is probably a douche to begin with, who has no idea how to have a positive, mature conversation? I'm not even talking about any one specifically here...just about everyone who has posted in this thread in the last few days has done so in a way that differs greatly from the vision shanti has for the purpose of this forum. I guess what I'm trying to say is..........you all are acting like assholes. Even if some young buck thinks they know it all, you can let them know they don't in a kind, positive way. Or better yet, just don't say anything at all.

Seriously, I have seen hempy and Jesse get into too many pissing matches on this forum....it's getting old. If I have to see another stupid fucking clip art with a smart ass, mean comment on it, I'm going to leave this board for good. Guys, when it seems that the same people get into the same type of 'epeen' threads all the time........you might want to think that it's your personality, and how you handle controversy that makes this a constant thing that you're always involved in. Think about it........I've not seen shanti ONCE sound like the shit you guys write on this board. In fact, the only time he ever comes into threads that end up like this is to tell you all as politely as he can to "Shut the fuck up you little whiny bitches!"

There is a very good passage in the Dhammapada, a very popular Buddhist text for a couple thousand years, and it goes a little something like this......
"Only a fool hangs out with fools"
Think about it.............

And I know that I'm not listening to my own advice by posting this, but I'm really just trying to help. I have no beef with anyone on this board and if I don't like you I just won't respond or post in your threads, I don't feel a desire to try and go around punking everyone out. All I'm trying to do by posting this is to bitch slap everyone involved in this type of behavior, so that you all can realize that you are acting like assholes. You all might not be assholes in real life, but you all are acting like it lately........

(*edit)And I was just told my order for Early Haze for this summer has been delayed because they weren't in stock. What strain are you all growing this summer?
 
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Deran with all due respect sativas will not grow to maturety in ereas that dont have the time frame needed to fully mature that is why many growers cant even grow 50% haze lines out doors the facts relating to what areas sativas can be grown out doors is a important part and not something any should just brush off if were really about the facts relating to haze here correct.

hey mate

i thougt my posting was clear, in the terms to differ between normal sativas, and haze / haze hybrids which are tropical (in most cases ... ill explain)

all fibre grown cannabis is sativa, its grown upwards to the 55th lat, no indis are used for fibre

than there a plentitude of sativas which arent related to haze which also will finish outdoors, be it bushmans or santa maria aka plank or dozen others

haze hybrids, whats a haze hybrid? anything that has ancestors of haze, can we say that? if yes, then a c99 will finish outdoors, a hyze hybrid, also there are fast selected cuts of jack herrer and even ssh that can be done outdoors, and ppl all over the world did that already, even nevil stated you could find a 9 or 10 week pheno within nevils haze

so lets count from the eqinox onwards 10 weeks and we are mid november, its going to be hard, but not impossible if global warming is on our side and the year ended warm imho


i guess the problem in all this talk is again the naming issue, you like me consider haze anything that has more than 50% haze in her blood and in her phenotypical expression, for such a haze its impossible to finish (sinsemillawise)

sadly todays name "haze" is beeing missused, as we can read all along this thread, anything that has just 5% haze (mathematically) becomes instantly a haze, you r not the only 1 who is upset by this btw ;) and if sombody has such a haze, it will finish in temperate zones, without questioning the rest of 95% of genes .. best example this new auto-haze ...

again we r fucked up, bc the name haze is today more of a marketing strategy than it has to do with the origins and the strain itself, its a golden cash cow everbody wants to milk

without pictures we cant really "judge" the phenotypical expression and guess the percents of haze in a "whatever"haze

thats why we are somtimes so childish about, not bc we want to fight, but rather our definitions of the word haze are completly different, we need to come back to the definition, which is for me 50% or more, anything else aint a haze...
and now the real issues begin, ppl often dont know whats in their strain or cut, forwhatever reason ... not to mention their exact breeding/crossing program, and by that the real percent of haze in that given plant

and here we are, as you said: wait a few years i promisse somebody will finish a "haze" at the northpole, without knowing that its more an auto strain than a haze

i dont doubt that any haze cross which was breed to be fast, cant finish outdoors outside the tropics
but i really doubt that a haze cross with more than 50% haze and expression will finsih outside of the tropics

i know i would also like to blame those ignorants for naming their plants haze, when they are not haze ... but again its not my duty to play the naming game teacher;) in that light i cant be angry at ppl who think they are growing haze, but they just dont know it better, their plants finished and it was haze ... ok so let it be ;)

thats why we are her, arent we? to share knowledge to show real haze plants and to educate against the marketing cash cow stream

http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/5-strain-base/6005-original-haze.html

:)
 
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Hi Hempy,
Im not sure Coop is going to last long around here, as just yesterday he was calling mid grade marijuana commonly available in the United States an American land race lol. Now everybody else is ignorant, and he is here to educate us. This progression of consciousness is staggering, and it wont be long before he moves on to the spiritual realm with the rest of the gods at this rate lol.
 
Hempy , posting pics can and have been a very big security risk for many of us so please could you and others stop with the no pic b.s. please

EDIT : wanted to also add ,,,, as i mentioned a week or so ago , im in canada and the weather was nice into dec , i had outdoor plants i didnt chop untill a week into dec ,,, just saying
 
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Who the fuck do you think you are to pass judgment on people my problem with bigherb is his out right bull shit and nastiness when he got called out on it i didnt get nasty with him first look back i have the posts from him saved for future use to


That is the problem,Bobby politely speaks the truth and you again show your true colors acting like shemp .Cant admitt ur acting like an asshole ,ill admitt now im bein an asshole ,but you hav to blend wit ur surrounding .

Possibly some reasons below why i got nasty

Your still lying ,You were really dropped on ur head as a baby or still do some of the heavy drugs from the 70's possibly 80's.Its very clear you are delusional,Awhile back you said you werent gonna post or share your knowledge well you should do it today Coop's post #501 is gospel ,Im sure the whole site feels that way

SHEMP's polite n respectful post below

For it to be NYC haze it needs to be grown in NYC so unless you have a magic haze line that grows in snow there is no such animal but if there is such a mythical plant line let me know were to find some so i can send some down to Antarctica were the scientist can grow some out side so they dont need to run there indoor grows as space down theres at a premium lol.

Pssst i have a bridge for sale going cheep in Fransisco if you interested but keep it on the quiet lol.


If you grow them indoors you can and this fixation you have with piff or NY haze is stupid as most of what NYC smoke is not from NYC


You said b4 the gloves were off ,Shemp you have knocked ya self out n if that was a factual statement you still wouldnt be tlkin believeee that .
 
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im not arguing about calling out bullshit Hempy , just asking to stop the no pic comments , posting pics can raise the security threat a ton over just going to forums

i took down my pics when someone pointed out to me that they could all be found on google :eek: (not that i had many here)
 
Hopfully we can get back on topic

What strain are you all growing this summer?

NH :D:D:D joking ,i said she wouldnt leave the garden but i have some gems i havnt had a crack at .Soo for npow these 3 are definite THH the recent reports have intrigued me ,Colombian gold and g13/hp from Nevil's 88 SB stock.I know the Cg will be hard pressed to finish but ill test my luck im hopful THH will finish n g13/hp will not be a concern

Since some of us of civilly conversing ,I find it intriguing that some here really
dont believe Dj shorts experiences with growing out the sativas of yesteryear at 45N. I wouldnt think a man of his stature would lie .The heritage strains chapter list a few varieties and give details of the finish product.It was somthing i thought about while this topic arose n gave me abit of confidence to run CG outdoors .Im at 42-40 N soo i figure it might be possible


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Hey admini:

Can we retitle this thread "The origins of Hate" so unsuspecting people don't keep stumbling in here hoping to find information? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
Jesse your a dumb ass to think that domestic grade mersch is not a land race.
I suppose you forgot about this comment, (which you erased lol) where once I questioned you on it, you folded. So it was, it wasnt, now it is again? :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by coop

I don't know if you could call it a landrace, but after smoking this bud every year for what seems to be almost 20 years i would assume it is somewhat naturalized.
http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/5-strain-base/6212-american-landrace-cannabis.html

Jesse your a dumb ass
You were saying? lol

Nice editing and deleting coop, when we go back through the thread and see bits and pieces of your post quoted from others but no actual post from you it makes me wonder what you're worried about. Or are you just ashamed of the things you've said and the way you've bahaved? At this point, you've got absolutely zero credibility. Its unfortunate that I have even taken the oppurtunity to respond to you, as to be frank, you're not worth my time. But the glaring contradiction in your numerous statements was just too good to pass up.

Go on, call me some more names and tell me how ignorant I am. If you say it enough, maybe you'll actually start to believe it. :D :D :D
 
Originally posted by Coop
congratulations you win at life again.

Translation: You got me JessE! ;)





Originally posted by Coop

Shanti if these dude's speak for you i feel bad, real bad.

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id just like to comment once again that i am in canada , southern ontario but quite a bit north of nyc , and i did infact grow outside untill the first week of december last season , i have a big bag of some pretty hazy mixed sats right beside me that were grown AND finished outdoors , anyone having a site to check will be able to find my lat

im ten mins north of niagra falls Ontario Canada
 
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