The origins of Haze

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Careful the torches and pitchforks are going to come out. :D

I think at this point for anything to be truely believed it must come from the horses mouth.


S_a_H
 
bring emm out bring emm out


im lookin forward to ur reports in this break threw,i hope you will shortly be postin som info

MM bein related interestin all i remember was a comparison as for aromas n its makeup bein made in similar fashion non more

hbh not existing
we've all heard that sams n rc might be the bros themelves according to timelines its sounds possible

1luvbigherb
 
Guys i will say this first off the bat the us city neville collected the seed from or who he collected it from has never been posted on and just that fact neville did collect haze that just happens to be the oldest vertion of it and belived to be the best of it seams to rattle many in this community tuff.

I have sat back for years and read many that have done nothing for the canna community rubbish neville and found it rather bizzar that a person that did so much for this community and smokers around the world gets so much shit throw at him YET some of these fools that rubbish neville are braging about there lines or other seed companys lines that for the most part are made up from lines neville had worked and sold.

And as for the MMadness well if any of you had read shantis posts at cw all the info you needed on the line was there for all to see i read it all infact read shantis forum from start to end more than once.

I was lucky inuf to smoke the real MMadness only came across it once time i got it from a women in her 60s that ran a brothel of all things a friend of my boss at the time who was a crazy turk that loved his hash any way thats a story in its self fact was i smoked it saw it and still rember it and a small thin joint of it left me legless unable to walk back from a closed dive shop door way i sat down in to roll and i could not walk 5 houses up to my cussins party and sat there in a state untill i was found and helped back to the party and trust me i was no lite smoker back then we were smokeing all the good old school imports and local the MMadness was special.

Im not giveing it away but if you read shantis posts on the MMadness you would know the link between it and the haze was the MMadness pure haze nope all im saying on it.

A lot of this is from cannabis envy neville the guy that has never botherd to post that sits in the shadows seams to rattle most why simple he did it they did nothing.

Is haze real yes it is and is it something supernatreal no its not its just good sativas that were x togeather to make seed for next years grow by growers who are called the haze brothers and they struck gold that other people from many parts of the world worked in urope and are offerd to the rest of us in hybrids and why is it offerd to us in hybrid form well so we can grow them and fully flower them out becouse even a neviles haze can take over 20 weeks to finish and thats a 75% haze line.

What also amazes me is the ot1 line called haze his story has so much bull shit to it and is clear as day lite his just one more trying to run with the haze name yet no one has turn on him or people that sell it yet neville who has breed and offerd quolity lines that have proven them selfs over and over that growers from all over the world highly value does time they turn there energys to productive use or at lest focus on the real bull shit in this community.
 
Oh god, Bh, if it's true :eek:

Like we say in french , "tu jettes un pavé dans la mare"

That means , you throw a brick into the pond(of shit) and everybody around will be splashed

Hasty to read that .... i really liked the first version

You will be "wanted" after that in Dam :D

Good vibes
 
Waiting for you report. Will try to clear my mind of any prejudice before reading it. As you say you need solid proof on these one.
 
Now I just have to explain why it's BS, that will take a little while...


thats wat im lookin forward too


as ive said b4 threw all my reasearch i havnt seen more than a handful of haze description such as the catpiss sandlewood frankincense

the only ones i recall r
hbh from reef
neville haze
o.haze cali/rotterdam

i think my point is proved wen you r usin the description that sams gave me at ic

not many reports

hempy

i understand loyalty i feel my word is my balls

wat im sayin is you dont seem too disagree wit bh in ur convo

im a haze lover
ive asked many times on ic n thc farmer wat is the description of hbh o.haze i got a handful of amswers lame

its still dissapointin how com if soo many cali heads hav these old genetics n haze crosses we dont see any yy r they not in rotation how com kush is a craze n haze anint been since the 70's but it was born their
how bout holland/rotterdam

nyc uptown haze has superior quality too adam haze our frankies is the best haze bros haze representation i can find reported

cali dont even tlk bout her

i appreciate all the work thats een done by our members for reasearch i hav much respect n appreciate the pioneers contributions but yes id lov to kno the story of the makin the creation all the strains involved specifics

too mee its very plain too see s.e. asian south american strains r a big influence on the haze as i kno it nn wat been reported from strains of yesteryear
our golds n thai express their contribution clearly

1luvbigherb
 
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british_hempire said:
Hempy, when I do publish my new version you will hopefully see how wrong you are.

I have discovered some concrete info on the link between the BOEL and the distribution of Haze seeds, and by concrete, I mean solid as a brick shithouse, undisputable, totally verifiable.

When I publish it you will owe OT1 an apology.

Some clues to what I'm going to write about:

- The BOEL grew Haze commercially in Hawaii, it was imported into the US in vacuum sealed, nitrogen fileld packages.

- At the same time, there was a legal cannabis farm in Afghanistan growing for pharmaceutical companies and run by British guys.

- The BOEL wanted to obtain the best indica seeds available.

On M Madness, I seem to recall that Shanti said it was most likely composed of Thai and Colombian genes.

Haze as used by Neville in hybrids was also mostly Thai and Colombian.

Anyways, I'm not getting into debates, I shall wait until I have published my writings on the subject.

One thing I will say, the Sam/RCC Haze Story is made-up bullshit, propaganda promulgated to promote and sell hybrid seeds made in Holland.
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I think you mean ot1 and the people that also support the lies will need to make an apology to all those that payed for his fake haze more like it.

Fact is ot1 has made some intresting claims yet you and many more it seams wont bring them up like ot1 first claims he had a hand in breeding haze then he did not then the line called ot1haze was the purest haze avaluble then it was haze still being developed in the field then he made the claim he had a hand in supplieing the genetics that became skunk and other lines please.




As for The BOEL in Hawaii i infact made a good friend who knows them very well and i can tell you some special cannabis came from them but haze was not one of them i know the erea there in and there story and even was gifted some genetics from them that dated back to the 70s that my friend infact collected for me directly from one of Boel members i know a lot of cannabis was imported out of Hawaii to the main land of the us but also to other parts of the world becouse we here also got hawiian genetics threw the 80s and i also know what coused the crack down on the hawiian growers wich is called greenharvest i belive its named and still in place today.

Fact remains neville did collect pure haze genetics from the us that is the oldest haze and sam also has haze but from a diffrent batch and ot1 does not that is all that should realy matter.


And cannabis has been growing in the erea known as Afghanistan for longer than the uk has been a country im thinking mate.
 
british_hempier said:
For some reason the name ot1 is to hempy like a red rag to a bull, get over it and be objective.

I have gathered a fair amount of data and info and am in the process of talking to some peopel who are able to provide a whole lot more, then I will properly address your bashing of ot1.

About the BOEl, I think you're referring to Operation Green Merchant, it;s hard to tell, pretty rambling paragraph to be honest. I've obtained a load of good info on the BOEL including a complete set of the official papers of the 1973 US Senate Hearings into the BOEl and their smuggling and growing activities, so agin, I'll preoperly refute you later when i have properly researched and collated the info.

Fact, hmm, so apart from Neville saying he got 1969 Haze, what other proof do you have? The truth is what really matters, one man's word is not fact, whether he is Australian or not.

WTF has Afghanistan having cannabis longer than Britain existed got to do with anything? Sounds like you're in a bad mood, probably due to that woeful batting performance by Ponting and co today lol.
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hi british_hempier let me start of with ot1 why do you give me the imprestion your protecting his bull shit yet have the hide to question the likes of neville maybe your the one that needs to be objective.

You have collected wat ? so far your showing me and the rest jack fact is you were not there or know nevilles travels or his conections or ever will and im realy suprised that you seam to have it in for neville yet like sam will fail in your bid why becouse neville did it and he dont cear and lets his work speek for him.

No i mean green harvest look it up as your the expert in finding the info as you claim you should all ready know the diffrence between green merchent and green harvest amigo.

You will address my ot1 bashing ha intresting you fail to understand wat is all ready gatherd on ot1 and the only reson its not all be posted yet is those with it are nice guys.

This quote alone reeks of dung

oldtimer1

I was involved in contributing genetics in the early days towards the breeding of what later became skunk#1, but I don�t like what it has become now. I loved field grown haze from SoCal when it was first being developed. Todays versions are pale in comparison.


As for the hawiian link im not saying a ward sed inuf and trust me i know there story well as i sed the person i know grew up there and knows them all what you fail to grassp is this there was a cali link in hawiia but it was not what you think and all im saying on it why becouse i know and if you want to know i think you need to make a hawiian friend that livers in the erea to.

The diffrence in the haze mr nice use and sams is clear to any that have grown them out and its becouse there from diffrent batchs and mr nice has the oldest haze and if you dont belive the story sed by shanti and by neville then your in short calling them lers get some balls BH say wat you mean instead of daceing around and people will awaght your investigation like the second coming im sure.

I dont watch cricket or much sports rather play than sit and watch it no im in a good the afgani remark was just that like brits growing mj there was a big deal dont they and the us control and bring in the heroin any way.

Agine look up green harvest and green merchent i know wat coused the green harvest op in hawiia and lets see if you can work out a little of why to diffrence is i was told by those that live there and know the resons and people involved.
 
soo on wit som new info

no reason to get heated,proof is in da pudding ,info n facts only connect the links dots of the past n wats still available

i havnt been acknowledge much but its proof in nyc that our haze has prob the closest resemblence to haze bros

fact she still survives fact she is diff to 99 percent of reports ive seen

STIR IT UP

1luvbigherb
 
british_hempire said:
This is getting really tiresome now hempy, you bash ot1 without knowing what you're talking about, go ahead and post what you want about him, the more you write about it, the more daft you will look in the long run.

I still fail to understand why you take the words of one man - Neville as hard and fast fact, again you will pretty stupid in the long run.

Pointless debating with you as you won't accept new information and won't ever change your viewpoint.
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Are you trying to be a comedian doing a stand up comedi act on us and were not getting it here or what ?.

british_hempire no one needs to discredit ot1 he done that all by him self trust me.

The bull shit line called ot1 haze was past from ot1 to pacific becouse he could not grow them him sef in the uk and was given to pacific who then openly offerd them in the mr nice forum at CW the line was not called haze and was just labeled sativa ot1 had got now why would he not tell pacific it was haze and why would he being in the uk send them to canada ffs if they were so valuble yes gets intresting then pacific gifted them to wolf man who only got 3 seeds up i belive and he made seeds.

Then Gant shows up offering these aleged pure haze seeds from wolfman wat a complet crock of shit and to top it off pacific had the hide to call wolfman a thief i was offerd seeds as was ace and a few others i sed no to much bad karma in them seeds for me.

Id almost bet my left nut that the line called ot1 came from postronics how do i know this not saying and funny inuf a few years later some one who infact worket with ot1s line told me just that do i have the info saved yes i do even the posts from pacific in the mr nice forum and more so i think you need to do more leg work before you come into the mr nice site and rubbish a great breeder like neville you seam to use a lot of wat sam has sed to dought neville well sams lied threw his ass before and what is between sam and neville should remain as such.

Nevilles genetics as does shantis speek volumes weres sams seed company and i last heard ot1 is selling blueberry hakks that true ?.

I have not met neville but friends did in the 80s and they came back telling me about this nice helpfull aussie in the dam but i have met shanti and trust shanti and respect him very much look at him as a close friend the thing you need to relise british_hempire is some people dont give a rats ass wat others think and do there thing knowing what they do and only cear about pleasing them self if you dont want to grow neviles work dont go run sams or ot1 line your call but most serouse growers know were they need to go to seek out the best genetics.
 
british_hempire said:
Question everything,
as most of it is bullshit and I will be exposing it all in due time.
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I do.
so why wait?
where I come from we have a saying
"Do it
then Talk about it."

so far its all just a bunch of hype...no facts
no evidence
nothing but accusations,slander
,...pure fiction,
you say Hempy was not there,
you say Shantibaba was not there...

Were you there?

I think not,
for if you were you would not be so quick in the mouth and slow in the brain.
if you have a point...
Make It!

This is a Cannabis Community for education and propagation of the same...
if you have nothing positive to offer us
I would be glad to invite you to go else where.

the ball is in your court so to speak.

Scorpion
 
Hi All

well keep things at least civil, heated debates are fine but personal abuse or attacks we try to avoid as people do not wish to be part of a thread that turn into slinging matches.

With all said, I am not sure why all of you are so interested in this story as there will always be different opinions depending upon who you prefer to believe.

A lot of time has passed on this subject so the only proof to go on in my opinion would be the seed...to avoid all the words and differences...surely showing posts and threads with the genetics in discussion would say more that all the words in the dictionary...but who am i to speak...you do as you want...all the best Sb
 
shanti

im most interested in this story especially the thought of the 69 stock comin from nyc

for the simple fact that the lost legend of the 70's that is spoke of wit no description of taste n aromas or lame uneducated palate description such as hazy is wat i believe to be frankies from uptown nyc

no other description of taste n aromas has come soo close to frankies except hazebros haze description from reef n few other sources /neville haze

1luvbigherb
 
This stuff has always suprised me... The whole story is probably much more simple and less interesting than its made out to be.

Regardless I do like haze though....wherever it came from...:)
 
Right on Shanti...

shantibaba said:
Hi All

well keep things at least civil, heated debates are fine but personal abuse or attacks we try to avoid as people do not wish to be part of a thread that turn into slinging matches.

With all said, I am not sure why all of you are so interested in this story as there will always be different opinions depending upon who you prefer to believe.

A lot of time has passed on this subject so the only proof to go on in my opinion would be the seed...to avoid all the words and differences...surely showing posts and threads with the genetics in discussion would say more that all the words in the dictionary...but who am i to speak...you do as you want...all the best Sb
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Way to Stay above the fray...Your work speaks for itself. No angles required here. Peace and Best Regards.
 
hmmm I wouldnt believe a word British Hempire says if he is who I think he is i.e Quiejo, Hot House Flowers and whatever other alias he uses once he has lied and stolen and then had to invent another name for himself.
Apologies if I am wrong but I strongly doubt it.
 
british_hempire said:
I'm trying to track down folks who were around on the west coast in the 60s and see what they remember, I remember that HHF told me a while back he had found a printed reference to Haze weed from the mid 60s, I might be dreaming tho, I forget clearly what he wrote!
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All I know is the two of you sound very similar to me and I know I am not alone in thinking you two are one and the same.
 
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