The origins of Haze

[Donald Mallard]

Most of the sweet spots have had the usa destroy the crops many years ago ,
thus the lack of the good genetic material that was used to make the haze ,

no thai sticks anymore , etc etc ..

NEVIL GOT THE SEEDS FROM SAM ...

sorry for shouting there bubbla ,, just didnt seem like you heard the last 2 posts that said that and also quoted nevil saying that ....

 

[Bubbla]

Most of the sweet spots have had the usa destroy the crops many years ago ,
thus the lack of the good genetic material that was used to make the haze ,

no thai sticks anymore , etc etc ..

NEVIL GOT THE SEEDS FROM SAM ...

sorry for shouting there bubbla ,, just didnt seem like you heard the last 2 posts that said that and also quoted nevil saying that ....

No worries mate, I was actually Editing my post so didn't see what Unclepeter said.

 

[bigherb]

I didnt really grow enough of it to make an informed opinion and or be able to relate whether it was or wasnt haze ,,
(but seem the only one that has grown it , so i guess my opinion counts a little ,, hehe)
the plant i liked the most and kept of the pack i grew was thai like ,
unripe mango smell ,
almost the exact same thing as the local mangoana , which was thai ,
imho you wouldnt be able to tell them apart ...

my keeper wasnt a short flowering plant by any means ,,
it reveged when all the short flowering plants stayed in flower ,
and would have been hell to grow indoor ,
even the hybrid with c99 was very sativa like and not that great indoor vs outdoor ...
i guess i just found a pure sativa in amongst a bunch of hybrids?? but that wouldnt really make much sense ...

be nice to see them in kangas garden .. im sure he would see similarities to our local sativas ..

as for the high ,, very racey , edgy , anxious , the kind some folks find uncomfortable , strong sativa ...
which is the same description i would also add for the local mangoana ...

Sup brother


I truly appreciate the detailed response ,The description of effects sounds like pure haze or a pure sativa .The taste isnt my cup of tea but im sure id enjoy a sample very much .


Its seems from your report it be hard to call THH a indica x sativa hybrid.Too bad you couldnt have had more to judge but atleast you got afirst hand look.


I agree id love too see them in kanga's garden.Im also intrigued wat Nevil's opinion might be .


If anyone hasnt noticed im Not a tom hill supporter ,Im a haze lover .The line didnt catch my interest until a beautiful woman brought some things to my attention .Tom hill aswell as many others call this haze line thai Dom ,but in his recent Release there are several reports of Colombian traits of spice /pepper / incense .


Evident by many Pics from CBF which Dont seem to be throughly acknowledged .The line will Show extreme sativa pheno n some things inbetween .In my opinion aswell as Scrubdogg inbreeding plays a vital role in the results of a line ,i think its possible the 12 week phenos might be a trait of the 31 - 35 yrs of inbreeding .

Im No breeder nor have i grown the line an I cant say much more about it than ive said.

Thanks again


1luvbigherb

 

[coop]

i think this is an important fact to remember too

The original lines where all worked outdoors, 1 gen at a time.
Nevil had the knowledge and space to grow tons of varatiy and stabilze lines enough to make proper f1 hybrids with amazing heterosis. That was the revolution that brought growing to the masses.

That sums up the former argument going around between saving the species etc. The west coast camp seems to be about trying to preserve the classic lines, Nev and Sb are more interested in creating truly exceptional cannabis.

the proofs in the puddin' so to speak.


To add more fun to this thread, recently smoked some amazing Kali Mist that had me up all night with my mind racing. I might suspect its got some O.G California Sativa's in its heritage.

 

[joshuahazen]

Sounds delightful ,
the columbian we used to get was kinda yellowy more so than gold , like you say , it was grown in australia from columbian gold seed , good enough to still remember it vividly 22 years later ,

(good enough that if anyone in this thread toked it , they would fast forget wtf they were arguing about , hehe)

a friend sitting amongst a crowd of us disputed anyone possessed such herb ,
"havent seen that stuff for years" he said ,, "your full of shit"
(it was a bit like this thread is at times , hehe)
so the guy with the erb tossed the bag to the non believer ,
"ok so you do have it "
he quickly said after viewing the contents of the bag ...

I heard so much about columbian gold, but I never tried it, just Columbian red. Always wanted to try it.

Its funny I've read so many theories how they get columbian gold to turn, like they split the main stem and stick a steak through it, so it will turn yellow. I recently read that Malawi Gold was turned gold by burying it in the ground in banana leaves. Its funny becuase the malawi gold I had indoors turned yellow all by itself.

 

[hempy]

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[Donald Mallard]

Gotta agree there hempy , and josh ,,
ive also had the same experience , no need to girdle ,
or do funny tricks ,
just came out that colour ...

 

[coop]

mexican's turn more brown then gold. But i've smoked a lot of golden sativas. I think its just more curing or being grown so it uses all its nutes up.

 

[Donald Mallard]

We had a lot of indian seed grown here that was brown coop ,
really nice stuff ,
specially in a chillum ..

 

[Green man]

there s this way of sativas long flower that is like as you mostly noticed , they take more time to flower , but yet they cure their own flowers while growing in late flowering .

following this i start to consider Neville ' s haze as a very fast ready smoke , having in time the time you need to cure\dry indica humid glossy flowers .

have fun while growin n smmokin bros ,

gm.

 

[bushweed]

I've had one plant this year that I harvested at different stages due to it's size and differing flowering stages of different branches, and the dried buds range from brown, green to gold...

 

[coop]

We had a lot of indian seed grown here that was brown coop ,
really nice stuff ,
specially in a chillum ..

thats interesting. i've always wondered as fresh its usually very light green and will turn brown rather quick. I always assumed most was due to handling of the product but it could be a genetic trait i assume.

reading some old books and has a note on Haze from the early 90s, it said that the glands have a purplish hue. Wonder if there's any sativa's like that still around, the silver haze def leafs a silver hue on your fingers and bags.

 

[british_hempire]

On turning sats golden, it's very easy to do, you just sweat cure them. Some will turn gold, some brown and all shades inbetween.

The Colombian Gold I have cures with normal methods to a slightly golden colour, if you sweat cure it it does turn much more golden. Oaxacan cured the same way went gold as well but a much browner gold.

Simple way to sweat cure is just wrap the buds in brown paper and hang the resulting packages up to dry somewhere warm. It only really works with sativas, indicas will get mould.

Sweat curing in Colombia was done in corrugated tin sheds, the humidity and heat inside the shed where they had laid of hung the colas to dry is why they took on the deep gold colouration.

Last pic is some indoor Colombian Gold cured 6 months, hard to tell from the pics but to the naked eye it had a noticeably lighter more 'golden' aura than most sats. I've got three Colombian flowering now, I'll sweat cure some of it to show you how gold it goes - as gold as the bales in the old 70s pics.

 

[Bubbla]

Originally Posted by joshuahazen:
I heard so much about columbian gold, but I never tried it, just Columbian red. Always wanted to try it.

Its funny I've read so many theories how they get columbian gold to turn, like they split the main stem and stick a steak through it, so it will turn yellow. I recently read that Malawi Gold was turned gold by burying it in the ground in banana leaves. Its funny becuase the malawi gold I had indoors turned yellow all by itself.

Nah mate.

They never buried it in the ground lol. In Malawi they used to wrap the bud in Corn Cob leaves & let it cure which would give it a golden colour, That's where the name "Malawi Cob" came from.

 

[coop]

Last pic is some indoor Colombian Gold cured 6 months, hard to tell from the pics but to the naked eye it had a noticeably lighter more 'golden' aura than most sats. I've got three Colombian flowering now, I'll sweat cure some of it to show you how gold it goes - as gold as the bales in the old 70s pics.

nice
Bricking or baling has a negative over all effect. Even with domestic and mexi stuff nowadays, if it sits too long, it starts to "mold" but i really think its more just the cloraphly breaking down, It sure smells like ammonia too me, which becomes an issue if the buds are off gassing but compressed together. But i'm sure down at home on a small scale with more attention would turn out some amazing stuff.

 

[biteme]

hey coop, there was a period where much of high end stock grown south of mexico city was gold in color and it came about naturally. strains were then named after areas where they were grown ie; chiapas, acapulco, oaxaca but ime it seemed the one common denominator for these golds was that they were mountain grown.

once upon a time in the late 60s and early 70s when there was far less demand, these varieties were commonly available. makes me wonder where they are today as i cannot believe the farmers willingly quit growing them? peace-biteme

 

[deran]

a good flush (even by rain) is all you need

no more slow times, that crop has to be harvested earlier .. to make money of it .. -> more chlorophyl, no gold color .. goes hand in hand with aggressive fertilizing

 

[british_hempire]

nice
Bricking or baling has a negative over all effect. Even with domestic and mexi stuff nowadays, if it sits too long, it starts to "mold" but i really think its more just the cloraphly breaking down, It sure smells like ammonia too me, which becomes an issue if the buds are off gassing but compressed together. But i'm sure down at home on a small scale with more attention would turn out some amazing stuff.

Yes, avoiding the ammonia problem is important, I used brown parcel paper when I tried sweat curing and that would be porous to any gases released as all I did was twist either end to keep it closed, so t was far from airtight.

a good flush (even by rain) is all you need

no more slow times, that crop has to be harvested earlier .. to make money of it .. -> more chlorophyl, no gold color .. goes hand in hand with aggressive fertilizing

Very true. A good flush brings out all kinds of autumn colours in most plants. Overfed bud is always going to be green so will just turn a nasty brown colour rather than gold if aged well.

On the Malawi Cob thing, how many people have actually seen one? I've seen precisely one, in 1995 and it was a small one, no more than 9 inches long. I thought the wrapping was some kind of nut as it was rock hard, only later did I find out they used the outer leaves of corn. I kept the empty cob for years, lost it or it was nicked year ago sadly. The contents were brown/black, looked more like composting plant matter than buds, lots of leaf, no seeds, hardly any stems, probably they had just plucked off the fan leaves then stripped the buds off the stalks then wrapped them. Potency was mind-blowing, much stronger than Malawi Gold seeds grown indoors under lights. Still the strongest African I can remember. Had Jamaican as strong but only a couple of times.

The cob in the pic looks a lot fresher than the one I had which was old and dry, mine was also a lot smaller, only half the size (insert penis-related joke of your choosing) lol

P.S. They do bury them in the ground for a while. They choose sandy soil where they will stay dry. If you want to replicate this at home, you need a large plastic storage box, fill it with sand, drill a few holes near the bottom, bury your cobs in the middle, sprinkle a litre or so of water on the top of the sand then leave in direct sunlight or somewhere warm for 3 months. There was a thread at OG about making your own cobs. I tried it with some greenhouse grown Durban x Skunk, I chose the plant that was excessively airy and foxtailed as I was worried about mould. Couldn't find corn leaves so used Aspidistra leaves as I had (and still have) a huge Aspidistra. It worked, I kept it in my loft next to the water heater and the weed turned a deep chocolate brown and tasted much smoother then the same weed left in a jar for the same time. Don't think it got any stronger but it seemed to have more bottom end.

 

[coop]

hey coop, there was a period where much of high end stock grown south of mexico city was gold in color and it came about naturally. strains were then named after areas where they were grown ie; chiapas, acapulco, oaxaca but ime it seemed the one common denominator for these golds was that they were mountain grown.

once upon a time in the late 60s and early 70s when there was far less demand, these varieties were commonly available. makes me wonder where they are today as i cannot believe the farmers willingly quit growing them? peace-biteme

nixon
then
paraquat.

Nixon went after mexican farmers and the production went to colombia.

then a bunch of hybrid stock. I don't see too much mexi nowadays due to choice, allthough quality has been up some last time i smoked some "red hair". It still has that typical mexi spear shape so i would assume its got some classic lines still in it. i wouldn't mind acquiring some modern seed but would suspect its all mass cartel grown and there are only a few variates prob in relation to who's producing it. Mexico is a scary place nowadays and a sad situation indeed.

there's been talk from few sources old and new that part of the modern problem is that we don't smoke classic mexi anymore. But it was a more social laid back herb. Chimera said to make f2s of his highland mexi and send em to farmers in Mexico, it might change the problems they face today. One can dream.

 

[joshuahazen]

My Malawi turned a light shade of yellow... Like the color of straw, not even greenish by the time they finished. Strangest thing I ever saw. It hardly looked like weed. The bud had like many long strands of calyxes grouped together. Very light and airy. I only grew it for one season, and after that I grew hybrids. The hybrids did lighten up a little bit, but nothing like the original. I only ever cured it the way I cure all my buds, in jars.