The origins of Haze

[JessE]

Hi all,
A few seasons ago I had my Mango Haze plants purple at the bottom of the plants in mid November I believe? Not to be unexpected really, it was extremely cold by that point. The plants still had a few weeks to go when they were harvested, but the elements ultimately told me it was time to pull or lose everything. Frost is not nearly the only enemy a cannabis plant will face late into the season in some parts of the world.

Over a decade ago now, some Red Sativa made its way to me via a Jamaican bloke. That is about as much information I could give you on the seed I subsequently collected, as the cannabis was so unusual in appearance compared to what is commonly found that I knew right away those seeds were something else. The cannabis had an indigenous look to it from memory, but was good marijuana. They've been stored in the fridge since then, and may be among the oldest varieties I have personally collected. It will be interesting to see if I can get them to germinate, and even more so, if the cannabis comes out as I remembered. I have a hunch with some time and patience, I can bring this red back. We'll see one day.

 

[Morphote]

I'd love 2 c that!

Check out this recent account of MNS Hazes...

I am sure that in a pack of either Nevs or Nevs/Mango you should find 3-4 keepers.Without a doubt, I found from about 45 seeds grown that not one crummy plant was found.All of them were strong and rich in flavor and stench, you just have to pick which one of the 3 or 4 females you like the best....all the Nevs were over 100 day plants but about half of the Nevs/Mango were under 90.I've just never found a blank in an MNS haze cross, some of the SSH phenos might be "daytimeish" smoke but the all around quality of the high, the yields and taste are there.We had one Nevs/Mango cut that yielded over 15oz in a 3gal bucket of coco.Trust me I've grown many, many crummy plants, tasteless, odorless, hemp.If you were stuck with 20 seeds for the rest of your life you could make a go of it with Nevs/Mango and be high until you were dead.These plants are all dialed for indoor cultivation as well, I've never seen a herm in an MNS haze offering.It all just comes down to taste.Sit in your truck with the keys on the floor(here in Mass) smoke a big joint legally and I guarantee you will be out walking or running somewhere in 3 min.You needn't worry about the long flower times because you can flip these plants right when they pop if you like.I think outside in a good climate you could grow an 18ft Nevilles with about 9lbs!!

...we were just sayin'.

 

[bigherb]

Big stories indeed!

Bushy

Much Respect bro I Appreciate all your contributions Especially as of lately ,but this post reminds me of some of your first postings

With what intent is this post ,there is No story there is fact which Nevil has Revealed an Sams story coincides with.Obviously those post are untrue why were they said I could think of a few reasons but its not important.Myself aswell as unc L33T hav discussed this at lenght at Ic n here an uncovered the truth with the info given at the time b4 Nev posted.

This is no attack,it bothers me though when we both-all know nothin but negative can come of as the truth is known.More soo to think at times because of my questions I was attacked by som I won't mention names who stand behind those untrue post

once again let's get back to the original topics the origins which both shanti n Nevil hav no part of


1luvbigherb

 

[bigherb]

I'd just like to know why Shanti posted such erroneous statements. Yes Nev came on and stated that he got the Haze off Sam, just as as Sam stated, but somewhere along the line Shanti came up with this line about Nev getting Haze off the Haze brothers in the US in the 70s, which is demonstrably wrong. Yet a lot of people have used those statements to contradict Sam, and yet, since Nev returned, none of those same cheerleaders have remarked on this inconsistency.

So that's a simple motivation that even the most rudimentary intellect can grasp. Claro?

Seems you don't get my point, some things are best left alone.

Why not pm shanti? Would you like to list the possibilities ? What will come of it you are part of the Minutes fam n family makes mistakes .

Let's put it all on the table the whole haze B female aka MM ,Now how about the poin I've made more than Once .WHY ??? Would Nevil describe his haze in the NL5 haze description as bein from the last crop in the US .ITs untrue n contardictory from his post .But ill take aguess n say 4 the same reasons shanti said wat he did

I do throughly agree wit the cheerleaders puttin away there pom poms but that's there style prove em wrong or make a valid point n they won't respond or twist ur word n make u out to be the bad guy

As you hav I call it like I see it .But in doin soo my intentions r strictly for the truth an done respectfully which as I've said can't won't n hasn't come from ur post


1luvbigherb

 

[british_hempire]

I'd just like to know why Shanti posted such erroneous statements. Yes Nev came on and stated that he got the Haze off Sam, just as as Sam stated, but before that Shanti came up with this line about Nev getting Haze off the Haze brothers in the US in the 70s, which is demonstrably wrong. Yet a lot of people have used those statements to contradict and trash Sam, and yet, since Nev returned, none of those same cheerleaders have remarked on this inconsistency.



I'm surprised that you haven't spoken up earlier then. Your one of those people who always comments on inconsistencies, so why not now? It seems a bit incongruous for you to suddenly play the role as the peacemaker. I mean if you want to let bygones be bygones, then fine. That's diplomatic of you and for this you earn some respect. But I've been one of those cheerleaders who trashed Sam, because Shanti seemed like the voice of calm reason. Now I'm man enough to ask the tough questions when it appears that the party line has holes in it. I'd feel like a disingenuous dickhead if I didn't.

Shanti probably just got his his facts wrong, its a very real possibility, but I see no harm in asking about it. And as the cannabis communities foremost poster of annoying questions, nor should you.

I'm sure Shanti just missed out the details of the story.

As we know, Shanti isn't into the stories and legends, so not surprised he didn't go into detail of Sam having couriered the Haze Bros beans to Holland where Nev bought them.

Wasn't it an Ed Rosenthal article that first mentioned the Haze Bros having travelled to Holland?

 

[Morphote]

I'm really starting 2 think...

It's all a bunch of bull!

 

[bigherb]

I'd just like to know why Shanti posted such erroneous statements. Yes Nev came on and stated that he got the Haze off Sam, just as as Sam stated, but before that Shanti came up with this line about Nev getting Haze off the Haze brothers in the US in the 70s, which is demonstrably wrong. Yet a lot of people have used those statements to contradict and trash Sam, and yet, since Nev returned, none of those same cheerleaders have remarked on this inconsistency.



I'm surprised that you haven't spoken up earlier then. Your one of those people who always comments on inconsistencies, so why not now? It seems a bit incongruous for you to suddenly play the role as the peacemaker. I mean if you want to let bygones be bygones, then fine. That's diplomatic of you and for this you earn some respect. But I've been one of those cheerleaders who trashed Sam, because Shanti seemed like the voice of calm reason. Now I'm man enough to ask the tough questions when it appears that the party line has holes in it. I'd feel like a disingenuous dickhead if I didn't.

Shanti probably just got his his facts wrong, its a very real possibility, but I see no harm in asking about it. And as the cannabis communities foremost poster of annoying questions, nor should you.

Your post will accomplish self fulfillment n negativity nothin more,I'm not apeacemaker just tired of useless post especially in haze threads.you hav a lot of positivity to contribute stay on that note

You might feel like a dickhead caz ur actin like one,annoyin lol u told BH somthin about my questions bringin forth info that we didn't hav b4 in my defense awhile bac

I
've spoke on this more than once here MNS wat crawled up ur ass,WHY R u soo stuck on shanti BS how about Nevils LIE

Where you been u decide now to speak on this topic quite out of the blue ,wats soo manly about ur post ur just askin shanti to give his reasoning for misinfo wat is to gain from this ,either you won't go hav tea like som cheerleaders or not by his gentics my guess is niether.

My questions r 95 percent haze based n has brought me to awonderful place in my life,its obvious my non intened to offend post rubbed u the wrong way ,but don't be a prick about it we got enough of those here.The Bs has died down n ignore feature works great that G13 thread is an example of BS not needed here let's get back to facts

It be great to get some new info not stir up old facts n fiction

 

[hempy]

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[moonunit]

Like sand through the hourglass
These are the Haze of our lives

lmao

Much respect
Moonunit

 

[bushweed]

wats soo manly about ur post ur just askin shanti to give his reasoning for misinfo wat is to gain from this ,either you won't go hav tea like som cheerleaders or not by his gentics my guess is niether.

Listen bigherb, I can't understand what you're saying, nor do I want to. I know you're having a go at me, but can you please use clear simple language? Or better yet bite your fucken tongue. This pre-literate gangster lingo is for kids playing pickup ball in the hood. I'm a bout a million fucken miles from that milieu.

I got the bit about being manly. I understand that you think you have to be full of steroids, obese and wave a gun around to be manly. I get that man, I know you're from the hood. But I'm from a peaceful part of the planet where no-one has guns and people are healthy and ask whatever questions they want regardless off whose toes they might step on.

I just found this inconsistency today and I simply want to know what the it means. And I don't want to have to go thru reams of your illiterate ramblings to find out. If you don't know the answer to my question, then please fuck off. I find it totally passe to eviscerate mental midgets, and that's all you're going to get from this encounter.

Go and get a dime bag of that dreadful fucken hydro you love so much and let me ask my question in peace.

 

[bigherb]

Your a champion of self contradiction. For example, "some things are best left alone" shortly followed by, "Let's put it all on the table the whole haze B female aka MM"

So now you want to understand Shanti's misdirection about Haze B, but not allow me to ask why he made erroneous statements that fueled a swathe arguments about the origin of Nevil's collection of Haze?

Your an inconsistent chap.

Its a bit like when Nev came on the seen and made some posts that cleared up some of this nonsense, and I re-posted them on your Haze thread at IC to clear up that nonsense, and you pm'd me asking me to stop posting them there??

Weird.



Please enlighten me as to what intentions I could have other than to clarify the truth??



Sorry mate, I'm unfamiliar with pidgin english.

Look how about we make a deal; you don't try and muzzle me like some paragon of ethical posting, and I won't expend what little effort it takes to make you look like you're a few grams short of an ounce.

This was not my intentions as I like u wen ur not sarcastic,But u were lookin for negativity anyhow.

You n a few others think way to highly of ur self,ur not that clever B


My feelings r this is water under da bridge n we all know the whole story behind it excpet exactly y shanti gav misinfo .To anyone wit a brain that wouldn't be important again it gets us no where n changes nothin my point of mm- HZb Is that there is more than one inconsistancy in mns-Seedbank history n anyone who can read or has passion for the history will kno it all

Still again like the cheerleaders u avoid my point of Nevil's lie u inconsistancy

Ur just one of those guys, u pecker head yobo ur tlkin bout 85 Sams haze stock in my ohaze thread which was intended for info on santa cruz haze history,Aside from this I politely suggest u post that re-post in MNS forums where it belong Plus it was public at MNS.we were cool it was a small smiple gestjer of the thread starter

Real hard to read I typed minutes instead of Mnscaz of my phone auto spell


Ur sad bro I had u right from the jump,wit ya crazy fake story of BS

 

[bushweed]

u pecker head yobo

D. That's funny. Alright no more arguing from me. I'm sorry for being mean spirited and judgmental. I don't care what you think of me. But I don't think so badly of you. You take care of yourself.

 

[bigherb]

D. That's funny. Alright no more arguing from me. I'm sorry for being mean spirited and judgmental. I don't care what you think of me. But I don't think so badly of you. You take care of yourself.

What gave you a change of heart? A lil laughter that can be the best cure ...my aussie coz taught me som slang on there visit to the hood as she called it


I think you sometimes Don't think b4 ya talk but your a great asset to our community,I'm gonna sleeep like baby knowing u think I'm ok JK.I don't want bad vibez with nobody unless I've been disrespected ,let's call this a misunderstanding.

Your perception of me would change in a heartbeat if u knew my story. But know this a man shouldn't be judged by his achievements but by the hardships he has been threw an obstacles he's overcome.

That gun line itches me as I'm not a thug I'm a survivor it don't take a man to pull a trigger it takes a man to know the difference between right n wrong and to admitt ur faults



On the haze note alotta lumbo tlk in the grail thread,Since lumbo and thai r the popular charateristics shown in todays offerings ,I've been pondering on what this fourth variety of haze (gold) was in great detail and the Gold varieties of lumbo an thai characteristics.From my Reasearch seem it in my grail direction of incense an spice

I'd lov to hear opinions n experiences wit the gold thai N lumbos for an idea of what possibilites the fourth variety of santa cruz haze might hav been like

 

[shantibaba]

Hi All

Well it seems now that every hair of the haze thread is being scrutinized, possibly more than it is worth but so be it.

As I stated since the beginning of being involved in the internet forums, I was not in the presence physically at the time all this was supposed to be going down.I worked closely with Nevil for a long and successful time and we spent alot of time chatting while we watched plants grow.I preferred Mango Haze and Nev preferred SSH...but it did not detract from the genetics we worked with.

The question that should be asked to those who believe I erroneously stated information is , why would i try to get Nevil back to work or online at a forum if I told such a story.Would it not let oil come to the top of the water no matter what? The time most of you all talk about no one here was more than a teenager (bar a few), and the stuff the legends were based on namely the cup winners were all from a later date with established seed parents...irrelevant to the hypothesis most involved themselves in. I quoted from memory of those times with Nevil and the lengthy discussions and numerous plants we viewed and smoked...but i do not feel i told anything wrong as it was told to me at that stage.

I am still one of the only breeders doing selection and breeding to this day while most went off into commerce. I do not need to do this any longer, but i choose to bring such strains and forums to those who wish to use them and chat. So in all honesty, i am still friends with Sam , Rob, Nevil , Ben...and so forth and the stories you all fantasize about are history now.

In Australia there is a saying,` you are only as good as your last game!`

So since I felt all of this story was important enough to reveal with genetic material in stock to back it up consistently for the past 20+ years...I do find it strange that words even matter anymore. But to those who feel the story and legends are more important than the seed on the market, then go get your material from people who you feel you believe more or trust more or....

 

[Ouchie]

I appreciate everything you do for the community, and me personally. Thank you for taking the time to share all of the wonderful plants you've discovered and bred over the years. I can't help what others do or say, but I can do my part. I promise to keep the torch bright for future generations.

Just remember Shanti, behind every successful person lies a pack of haters/jealous people.

 

[StoneyPufnstuff]

I appreciate it Shanti, no need to explain. I think what is important is that you have maintained so many classics and making sure they aren't lost.

 

[bigherb]

Elmer

G`day Big Herb .

I found this story about breeding in the late 70`s and Jingles a while ago .
Dunno if you saw it ,but is another interesting tangent to the Haze legend .

Sup brother

Ive seen this story awhile back ,IMO it has some truth an some B.S. IMO i dont believe Sams was responsible for either Skunk nor Haze . But thats just my opinion an the info is out there for us all to decide but it quite evident to me to see threw the haze .


My point exactly were did that get us back to Nev,soo now you heard it .Will Nevil get this kind of questioning during a visit to kanga ?

I slept on this quote last night at work but couldnt easily pull it up



Shanti quote from CF Franks fave weed thread thread at IC

People do not tell the truth if they do not know the truth...that is why alot of mystery lingers around this Haze history

There in that thread is all the inconsistancies brought up almost a year ago lol


Shanti has spoken in the words of a real man an for years has shown he is a deticated passionate breeder that is standout above the rest .Remember shanti you are appreciated .



1luvbigherb

 

[joshuahazen]

...So since I felt all of this story was important enough to reveal with genetic material in stock to back it up consistently for the past 20+ years...I do find it strange that words even matter anymore...

And that is the Crux of the story isn't it Shanti?

Before I joined this site what I really knew about my haze was, I got it from the Seedbank 20+ years ago via mail order, and about the only thing I remembered about the discription was, it came with a serious warning. The fact that it was the only seed that had a potency warning, was the only reason I initially decided to buy it.

I was very skeptical, but my skepticism was soon diminished once I smoked it, and completely erased after people started flipping out and shit...

That Cut was my foot in the door once I got to Northern Cali.


20 years is a long time. I always just called my haze, "The Holland Haze". And as far as I was concerned it was a sativa.

Turns out it must have been NL5XHaze, cause that is the only shit Nevil ever put a warning on.

20 years is a long time, and memories fade, the facts become blurred, and what really matters is what you got in your pipe right now:

 

[Morphote]

I Don't Get It!

So in all honesty, i am still friends with Sam , Rob, Nevil , Ben...and so forth and the stories you all fantasize about are history now.

So then Sam isn't an informant? Nevil's lying?
These are very serious claims against SamS,
Shanti. Supposedly Rob is a piece of shit as
well, according to Nevil. Dis don't makesense.

Nevil(ur partner) accused Rob/Sam(ur frends)
of working for the Feds. What the fu-k is that?

Please explain this.

 

[Jonny Rotten]

So then Sam isn't an informant? Nevil's lying?
These are very serious claims against SamS,
Shanti. Supposedly Rob is a piece of shit as
well, according to Nevil. Dis don't makesense.

Nevil(ur partner) accused Rob/Sam(ur frends)
of working for the Feds. What the fu-k is that?

Please explain this.

Freshgenetics, I dont think who Shanti is friends with is really any of our business, and he shouldn't be asked to explain it.

Like he said, enjoy the seeds and dont worry about the convoluted history surrounding Haze, Shanti, Nevil, Sam, etc.