The origins of Haze

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Below is a variety that was more Indica esk in appearance than any F1 50% haze hybrid I have worked with thus far. I believe my ultimate selection of the parental plants had a great deal to do with this plants appearance, but obviously it needed the capability to achieve such an appearance to begin with.

SSH x MH
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its amazing how the poly hybrids retain the a sativa structure but more indica bud type
thats a very nice lady you have
 
And another Indica esk looking SSH x MH variety, though this plant had to go into a green house to finish up.

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i don;t care for Rez but he has an amazing ssh haze cut, would love to see nev's pollen on that beast. :D

ssh is great bud but its never had that extreme sativa edge to me, but still a fav smoke of mine.
 
FFS, 7 pages of arguing in one day, this thread plumbs new lows...

My opinion is that if it weren't for Nevil, Haze may have been lost. In fact Nevil has done more for Haze than anyone else i can think of. That's not me kissing arse, just stating a fact because he has worked with it longer than any other breeder I can think of.

Amen.

What SamS lying? Not possible:eek:

Snigger...and why they flower in 12 weeks like any other 50% Haze hybrid.

The fact is pure sats take longer to flower than reports of TH Haze indicate. Its simply not possible to fully flower a sat in that time. That may not resonate with your experience in a Northern European cupboard. But that's how it is. The only thing pure about TH Hz is the fact that the notion that its pure - is 100% pure unadulterated bunkum. Its a point that may be easily overlooked by the novices at IC, but on this forum we're gonna call it BS - cos that's manifestly what it is.

Not to say its not a top smoke, like I said to Tom - 1 in 20 of any 50% Haze hybrid can seem like the best in the world - just cut the BS already.

Speaking as one who has a great deal of experience of flowering sats in a northern european cupboard, I can tell you that pure sats that are worthwhile in such a setup are very few and far between. However, hybridising them then picking out the sat dom phenos can give you some stunning plants indeed, but they still take ages.

Great example, the Thai I grew a few years back wasn't anywhere near done at 24 weeks and produced about 5g of calyxes on a huge 4ft tall 3ft wide plant. Mind-blowing 5g but still, 5g in 6 months? Even hempy ain't mad enough to grow like that!

So I crossed it to a Purple Afghan male and I have some of the f1s flowering out, the most Thai dom one is at 18 weeks and needs another month.

So how does TH get a 12 week pure Haze? He doesn't, quite simply, just cannot be pure.

I've grown a few of the types that are said to be in Haze - Highland Oaxacan Gold, Colombian Gold, Thais etc.

The Oaxacan is the quickest, takes 16 weeks indoors from when the first flowers appear. The Colombian is a couple of weeks longer. Thais are at least 20 weeks to even be smokeable, longer to finish, if they ever do finish.

Remember that Sam said that pure Haze would only finish under glass in Santa Cruz, so if it needed to be grown under glass at 34N then how does TH get it to finish in 12 weeks indoors?

I'm not saying anyone is lying but something doesn't add up. Just look at a map and the latitudes that Thailand, South India and Colombia are located - in the equatorial regions so the plants from those places will have equatorial flowering cycles, even if you add in some Mexican blood that finishes a couple of months earlier because it's from a few degrees further away from the equator you're still looking at many months of flowering not 12 weeks.
 
my reasoning was it has both the haze a and haze c dad's in the background.
my fav male which i made f2s or uddno if the would actually be a bx of sorts was to a very wide leaf mango and skunk leaning male.
Should be interesting to see what the seeds may hold as far as pheno's.

guess in the same regards has there ever been a nevil's super silver haze? that might be even more interesting with the other line of flavors from the silver line

There has been a NH x SSH. They called it Phoenix Haze. Story is the Dutch police when they raided dutchgrown a few years ago poured all her NH and SSH seeds on the floor so they got mixed up. She gave some of what she was able to pick up to JLP and he crossed the best plants he got and called it Phoenix Haze. I have a pack somewhere, not near the head of the queue when I have original SSH, MH, La Nina etc to grow out.
 
Speaking as one who has a great deal of experience of flowering sats in a northern european cupboard

Didn't mean to deride anyone who grows indoors. Much respect in fact to anyone who makes the effort. Wish my heads could get all super resiny like that. I just happen to be the type to throw in a few underhanded blows to give weight to an argument.:p Could be the Maori dog in me. Then backtrack apologise and admit culpability. You can never take this stuff too seriously. The evidence - as is easily observable here - is far too dispiriting to contemplate:D
 
62.5% Haze!

So its clear some serious breeding work has went into this line

I ordered The Big 3 (SSH, MH, NH) and Shanti
sent me a pack of Nevilles Haze Mango 4 free!
Can u imagine the female Nevilles Haze shanti
hit with that Mango Haze male pollen donor?!?

This strain excites me!
 
Bob,
If you could provide an example from someone like Rolling Stone, Time Magazine etc. of Jimi saying Purple Haze was written in inspiration by Acid, then you would have something to hold on to.

The rolling stone link however proved your position of popular internet lure wrong.

So unless you can provide a legitimate source to your position, its looking like you're unable to support your position. Thus calling Hendrix a liar, when you were the one actually proven wrong, is well....insane.

once again mr delusional , you believe everything you read :rolleyes:
my proof wasnt what someone else wrote you idiot , and since when was rolling stone or time magazine a "someone" ?

you have yet to prove me wrong , you werent there so you cant

admit it JessE your a fraud and this is just another one of many threads where you are proven to be such

and for god sakes you fraud , stop bugging me , you started this and im trying to end it , ive asked you numerous times and will ask once more , STOP BUGGING ME
 
once again mr delusional , you believe everything you read :rolleyes:
my proof wasnt what someone else wrote you idiot , and since when was rolling stone or time magazine a "someone" ?

you have yet to prove me wrong , you werent there so you cant

admit it JessE your a fraud and this is just another one of many threads where you are proven to be such

and for god sakes you fraud , stop bugging me , you started this and im trying to end it , ive asked you numerous times and will ask once more , STOP BUGGING ME

So, still no sources?
 
I ordered The Big 3 (SSH, MH, NH) and Shanti
sent me a pack of Nevilles Haze Mango 4 free!
Can u imagine the female Nevilles Haze shanti
hit with that Mango Haze male pollen donor?!?

This strain excites me!
Fresh,
I have NH waiting in the wings, the seeds are quite old now, though have been stored very well. Those are the top three strains in my eyes, as I do not really have a desire to work with anything else. A shame I live here at 40 N and not in the tropics somewhere.

Just means more work for me...
 
So, still no sources?

i gave you my source you incompitent fool , stop with your source bullshit because it has got you nowhere in the past except looking like a fool

before there was ever an internet the shit im speaking about was very well known and was spoken to by the man himself straight to my very own parents , now what would you believe ? your parents or some jurnalist trying to earn a living creating articals full of lies and half truths

- We all know publications lie

- Can a journalist recognize a lie as a lie. Most journalists are so bound to their own bias that cant see a lie as a lie

those are just 2 of many many pages full of googled search results proving many many reputable mags , journalists ect ect lie all the time , its about making up stories that sell

thats what your rolling stone and time magazine are all about , selling issues not selling truth

stop believing everything you read JessE and stop preaching what you read to us as gospel

do not respond to me anymore JessE (stop bugging me) unless its important and something you have actual experience with (not something you read because we are all tired of that)

im off to bed now
 
bob needs to stop bitchin, huh?
i dont know whos right, but the attitude is wrong.

i am going to get those 3 soon, along with angel breath and la nina.
to start with...
 
i gave you my source you incompitent fool , stop with your source bullshit because it has got you nowhere in the past except looking like a fool

before there was ever an internet the shit im speaking about was very well known and was spoken to by the man himself straight to my very own parents , now what would you believe ? your parents or some jurnalist trying to earn a living creating articals full of lies and half truths

- We all know publications lie

- Can a journalist recognize a lie as a lie. Most journalists are so bound to their own bias that cant see a lie as a lie

those are just 2 of many many pages full of googled search results proving many many reputable mags , journalists ect ect lie all the time , its about making up stories that sell

thats what your rolling stone and time magazine are all about , selling issues not selling truth

stop believing everything you read JessE and stop preaching what you read to us as gospel

do not respond to me anymore JessE (stop bugging me) unless its important and something you have actual experience with (not something you read because we are all tired of that)

im off to bed now

Bob, you've called Jimi Hendrix a liar. Though you've failed to prove he is lieing.

So once again, I ask for you to provide us a source. Otherwise, I think you should apologize for calling Jimi a liar.
 
bob needs to stop bitchin, huh?
i dont know whos right, but the attitude is wrong.

i am going to get those 3 soon, along with angel breath and la nina.
to start with...

You'll have to excuse Bob, he is one of our routine problem children.

You should definitely attempt to acquire all three, I would recommend a couple packs of each if not more. As long as you're growing them, and not letting them sit in the fridge, its an investment worth making.
 
Didn't mean to deride anyone who grows indoors. Much respect in fact to anyone who makes the effort. Wish my heads could get all super resiny like that. I just happen to be the type to throw in a few underhanded blows to give weight to an argument.:p Could be the Maori dog in me. Then backtrack apologise and admit culpability. You can never take this stuff too seriously. The evidence - as is easily observable here - is far too dispiriting to contemplate:D

I didn't see it as a jibe at all mate.

Merely a recognisance that indoors in a small space is a very different environment to the tropical outdoors.

Because we were talking about flowering Hazes and hybrids indoors I felt I had some relevant experience.

Later this year we should see some interesting plants in the tropical outdoors that I know well in my indoor space and that should allow some interesting comparisons.

I think an independent third party should smoke both the aussie outdoor version and the english indoor version of a couple of the strains and that would give us some more info.

Maybe Nev will be up for it? lol
 
You'll have to excuse Bob, he is one of our routine problem children.

Pot kettle.

God knows why you're arguing, simple fact is Jimi had a dream and that inspired the song which he recorded in late 66 in London and became the biggest hit of the Summer of Love in 67. Owsley named the acid batch after the song.

How the term Purple Haze came into Hendrix's head no-one but Hendrix knows, whether he heard it in the Army or scoring a lid in Cali, my bet is on the Army but it's impossible to say for sure.

Purple Haze the pot proabably got named after the song same as the acid did.

So what's to argue about.

Problem children FFS, grow up...
 
Pot kettle.

God knows why you're arguing, simple fact is Jimi had a dream and that inspired the song which he recorded in late 66 in London and became the biggest hit of the Summer of Love in 67. Owsley named the acid batch after the song.

How the term Purple Haze came into Hendrix's head no-one but Hendrix knows, whether he heard it in the Army or scoring a lid in Cali, my bet is on the Army but it's impossible to say for sure.

Purple Haze the pot proabably got named after the song same as the acid did.

So what's to argue about.

Problem children FFS, grow up...

hi b_h , hendrix and his dream ,,, the dream was a trip , an acid trip , sorta the same thing if you think about it and the ammounts he took , i too was an acid freak and i promis you a lot of trips are like a dream , some can be a nitemare , im done fighting with JessE and not even sure i want to go read the pm from him that i just got notified i have

JessE keeps asking me to post sources , well how can i post something that was said to me verbally many many years ago :rolleyes:

hi jack hairy , nice to meet you , sorry you think i need to stop bitching , once you have been around long enough im sure you will understand , and a tip for you would be to ignore JessE now , peace jack hairy

i guess ill go read JessE's pm to me then get to bed
 
good idea

I didn't see it as a jibe at all mate.

I think an independent third party should smoke both the aussie outdoor version and the english indoor version of a couple of the strains and that would give us some more info.

Maybe Nev will be up for it? lol

well, nev sure is a busy man, so i would certainly be willing to volunteer for that position.
its tough work, but somebody's got to do it ;)
 
wow if that malawi you spoke of was even stronger youd have to put a warning label on it ,, skull and crossbones ,, something like that ..

LOL, yeah, that is the truth. It was honestly too much. It was a true landrace, scored in Africa. It actually turned yellow, like straw, crazy stuff, the high lasted like 6 hours, I crossed it with some of my Haze hybrids, to lower the length of budding, and once I had a lot of it around, it actually was starting to slowly drive me crazy...

We almost got into trouble because a friend of a friend wound up on the psyche ward. Luckily she came down after a few days.

I had to put it on the shelf...
 
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