questions for Nevil on afghani and kush lines (the other grail!)
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StoneyPufnstuff
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Could I make a strain request please? Something like the above in structure and strength with the big bracts and stalked trichomes. I am reading the Ortega thread everyday over and over, contemplating on if I should acquire them.
What happened to the stinky single cola dominant afghans?
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Kangativa
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Best hash I ever had was hand rubbed Nepalese Temple balls that when opened had a black green look to it and when smoked you felt it all the way down......now that was good stuff
Herijuana is a fabulous indica that imho is far superior to Deep Chunk...if you can get your hands on the original F-1's (Mota's old stock) or even F2's from a breeder that is reputable it would be great to have...i've had it around the garden a few times and thats a great Affie tho I think there may be some NL in it...very strong body stone, functional yet relaxed state of mind
mr. ortegaseeker, you hit the nail on the head. it was early to mid70s and i was at the u of i, a midwest hotbed at the time. best of the surfboards were approximately 1/2" thick, black exterior and dark greenish on the inside when freshest. they really did look like a mini surfboard, about 15" long and rounded point. funny it was mentioned, but nepalese temple balls were the only hashish where i ever found seeds? and i heard reports of assorted trash found in many, but omg! smell reminded me of a funeral home and oh so potent and pleasant to smoke. you could not always say that about the afghan hash. it was waaay potent too but would make anyone hack, almost like smoking oil.
someone also brought up herijuana which i always thought was related to deep chunk but i have read other discussions where those in the know said no, not related? this is my 7th year in a row with at least one outdoor heri going. i started with woodhorse but it was mainly the f5 or f6 mota made available on aliengrowshop or similar site. heri is another that is low on yield, flavor and aroma but highly potent. i do not favor it in particular as you have pick those times when it is ok to smoke it. same thing with me and good hash. night time only. peace-biteme
someone also brought up herijuana which i always thought was related to deep chunk but i have read other discussions where those in the know said no, not related? this is my 7th year in a row with at least one outdoor heri going. i started with woodhorse but it was mainly the f5 or f6 mota made available on aliengrowshop or similar site. heri is another that is low on yield, flavor and aroma but highly potent. i do not favor it in particular as you have pick those times when it is ok to smoke it. same thing with me and good hash. night time only. peace-biteme
ortega_seeker
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herijuana
"mr. ortegaseeker, you hit the nail on the head. it was early to mid70s and i was at the u of i, a midwest hotbed at the time"
- midwest sounds like it was a different place back in the 70's, I don't think of it being a hot bed for much except corn and the industrial food complex these days.
herijuana (killer new haven x petrolia) is not related to deep chunk unless by some chance petrolia headstash is related to it.. It was bred by a guy from Kentucky called Steve Tuck in combination with someone out of Humboldt whose name I can't remember. Killer new haven was originally bred for outdoor in kentucky by a guy called silverback (on ic), this was then taken to cali by tuck and worked supposedly in some kind of line breeding outdoor with petrolia with emphasis on early flower, mold resistance and pain killing ability. I believe it was originally released when tuck fled to vancouver from the fed charges in cali and briefly opened a seed bank. If you take a look at the pic of it in the first "cannabible" (which tuck confirmed is legit) I would lay bets a large part of it is the same nl1 x hashplant nevil keeps mentioning. Looks dead on for a very old NL cut that has been in my crowd since the eighties.
don't mean to sound like a indica historian here but I have been chasing these lines for a long time and most start to smell alot like old seedbank lines once you do a little research.
Now that I mention cannabible and MLI in the same thread i should mention that the MLI photo shown in the first Cannabible was taken at the sensi booth at the cannibus cup the year they launched MLI, this and the "molasses" clone (same cannabible) are both the exact pheno I described above as MLI "indican bamboo pheno"
"mr. ortegaseeker, you hit the nail on the head. it was early to mid70s and i was at the u of i, a midwest hotbed at the time"
- midwest sounds like it was a different place back in the 70's, I don't think of it being a hot bed for much except corn and the industrial food complex these days.
herijuana (killer new haven x petrolia) is not related to deep chunk unless by some chance petrolia headstash is related to it.. It was bred by a guy from Kentucky called Steve Tuck in combination with someone out of Humboldt whose name I can't remember. Killer new haven was originally bred for outdoor in kentucky by a guy called silverback (on ic), this was then taken to cali by tuck and worked supposedly in some kind of line breeding outdoor with petrolia with emphasis on early flower, mold resistance and pain killing ability. I believe it was originally released when tuck fled to vancouver from the fed charges in cali and briefly opened a seed bank. If you take a look at the pic of it in the first "cannabible" (which tuck confirmed is legit) I would lay bets a large part of it is the same nl1 x hashplant nevil keeps mentioning. Looks dead on for a very old NL cut that has been in my crowd since the eighties.
don't mean to sound like a indica historian here but I have been chasing these lines for a long time and most start to smell alot like old seedbank lines once you do a little research.
Now that I mention cannabible and MLI in the same thread i should mention that the MLI photo shown in the first Cannabible was taken at the sensi booth at the cannibus cup the year they launched MLI, this and the "molasses" clone (same cannabible) are both the exact pheno I described above as MLI "indican bamboo pheno"
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Hey Neville, can you tell me whats in your and Shanti's Gravity strain? got the seeds from an old hippy that owned a bong shop in amsterdam called the Emerald Triangle, dudes name is Steve. You might know who im talking about here. Anyways my crew ended up getting some gravity seeds from the guy in 98 or 99 and its still kickin today in a few gardens across the country....Best 4-way indica I've ever seen.
Flaco Verde
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I run Heri and Deep Chunk. I also have a hybrid of the two. Herijuana definitely lacks in flavor/aroma. It yields well if scrogged because it's very stretchy.
Deep Chunk is full of flavor and aroma. Some plants yield better than others. I don't know why people run their DC so small. If they are allowed to get established, they will take off and produce a decent harvest.
I crossed the two and was amazed at the growth,yield and flavor that came from that union. Heri x DC = Amazing.
C99 x Heri= watered down C99. Funny how that works. Never know what you got until you grow it.
LG
Deep Chunk is full of flavor and aroma. Some plants yield better than others. I don't know why people run their DC so small. If they are allowed to get established, they will take off and produce a decent harvest.
I crossed the two and was amazed at the growth,yield and flavor that came from that union. Heri x DC = Amazing.
C99 x Heri= watered down C99. Funny how that works. Never know what you got until you grow it.
LG
The Ortega was the last line from Sacred seeds in California if no one stated that already.
Tom Hills Deep Chunk, X18 and some others were actually work from his friend the "Chemist" in Humboldt. Deep Chunk is a inbred Afghani line and the X18 is a inbred Pakastani line, which the seed stock was collected from those regions by the "Chemist".
Herijuana which has Petrolia Headstash in it hails from northern Humboldt town of Petrolia. Lots of old afghanis came into this region in the 70's, I remember smoking some that would clog your pipe after only smoking half a bowl.
So close proximity from Petrolia and southern Humboldt where the border with Mendocino is. The deeper in Humboldt you go the more mold resistant the plants would have to be, so sativas were preferred in the deep woods or more north and the indicas and Afghanis more south in Humboldt and northern Mendocino.
Just babbling here..sorry.
Snow
Tom Hills Deep Chunk, X18 and some others were actually work from his friend the "Chemist" in Humboldt. Deep Chunk is a inbred Afghani line and the X18 is a inbred Pakastani line, which the seed stock was collected from those regions by the "Chemist".
Herijuana which has Petrolia Headstash in it hails from northern Humboldt town of Petrolia. Lots of old afghanis came into this region in the 70's, I remember smoking some that would clog your pipe after only smoking half a bowl.
So close proximity from Petrolia and southern Humboldt where the border with Mendocino is. The deeper in Humboldt you go the more mold resistant the plants would have to be, so sativas were preferred in the deep woods or more north and the indicas and Afghanis more south in Humboldt and northern Mendocino.
Just babbling here..sorry.
Snow
ortega_seeker
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"The Ortega was the last line from Sacred seeds in California if no one stated that already."
snow high, what is your source for this? I could be wrong but pretty certain Neville was the original commercial source for all things ortega. I am not even convinced Ortega was a seedline.. just the name of neville's source for some of his better indica genetics.
snow high, what is your source for this? I could be wrong but pretty certain Neville was the original commercial source for all things ortega. I am not even convinced Ortega was a seedline.. just the name of neville's source for some of his better indica genetics.
Smoking some so- called Nepal hash right now (I'm in holland). Soft, black, perfumey, and smooth as velvet balanced high. I always assumed that probably Nepal hash could be from anywhere, but you guys are making me think it may really be Nepalese. I love it.
Bigherb, reminds me of your frankincense search. This stuff is some heavy perfume, but i am not sure if i can say frankincense, sandalwood more i guess.
Mandala says they have New Nepalese landraces, anyone have experience with them?
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EnglishSpringerSpaniel
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Didn't Shanti mention awhile ago that Ortega was a selection of NL#1? The current accepted history of the NL lineage is that they were cuttings, which, if accurate, means the NL #1 was either crossed to some afghan/hashplant indica, or it was reversed and crossed with itself. Or maybe there's some other explanation that I can't think of...those two seem like the most probable. It would be awesome if Nevil could give some detail on the history of the Ortega line
ESS
i also would like to hear snow high's rendition of ortega. i think even shanti has stated that ortega was a plant out of the nl line but i think i recall reports out of caly many years ago where ortega was an unruly afghan cultivar that ended up being crossed with nl by some peeps in oregon and only then became something desirable to work with. and another question if you will; anyone know where the name or word "ortega" originated? peace-biteme
ortega_seeker
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the other thing that has popped up intermittently in "ortega history" is the name Jim Ortega. That is my bet for the where the name came from but whether he is the original source or just gave himself a nick after an already famous seedline I don't know.
After seeing Snow High's jawdropping genetics library in his thread, I too would love to hear his ortega rendition. If it actually came from Sacred Seeds I can't believe sam skunkman decided to continue only with his afg#1 and hindu kush lines, neither of which hold a flame imo to the ortega lines I have sampled.
deep into some "black jack" tincture at the moment. "black" pheno's from the two separate ortega selections (LUI and MLI) quick washed in good ole Jack Daniels and reduced... hits the spot in the evening!
After seeing Snow High's jawdropping genetics library in his thread, I too would love to hear his ortega rendition. If it actually came from Sacred Seeds I can't believe sam skunkman decided to continue only with his afg#1 and hindu kush lines, neither of which hold a flame imo to the ortega lines I have sampled.
deep into some "black jack" tincture at the moment. "black" pheno's from the two separate ortega selections (LUI and MLI) quick washed in good ole Jack Daniels and reduced... hits the spot in the evening!
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Shelter Cove
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MLI : Maple Leaf Indica right? We have some seeds over here. They were in a gift pack from a Humboldt grower with no company name on the packet. ( Several years old to be sure, but all sprout) We were just discussing this weed over here. The flavor is awesome and very different. The headrush is instantanious and devastating! I need to start some and select a Mother. Its Great Smoke!
I did get a nice male and make a couple crosses with it
I did get a nice male and make a couple crosses with it
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hempy
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well Ortega was based on work from Neville.
I could be wrong on that thinking of a old SSSC catalog. I've seen some olf Sacred Seeds catalogs, trying to pull some up. Here is the 1st one.
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Nevil
Breeder
The Maple Leaf came from a guy known to me as Jim Ortega. We traded seeds for a while. Not only did he supply me with Maple Leaf, but also Garlic Bud and Kush 4. The cannabis smoking world owes him a lot.
The Maple Leaf line provided me with a plant that I labeled Afghan T. This plant is the mother of Super/Ultra Skunk and also crossed well with HzC.
Kush 4, I crossed with NL2(which had the same Kush smell) and this Kush Hybrid is the foundation of todays Kush lines.
Garlic bud has also made it's presence felt and is part of todays super yielders.
Let me say one more thing about ML AfgT. This plant had exactly the same smell as Sams best SK1 but more so. It is the true Skunk archetype. I do not believe for one N.Y. minute that Afghani#1 is behind the SK1, which IMO gives credence to the Mendecino Joe story about SK1.
The world owes you a big Thank You Jim!
Let me be the first to say that I appreciate the work that you have done.
N.
The Maple Leaf line provided me with a plant that I labeled Afghan T. This plant is the mother of Super/Ultra Skunk and also crossed well with HzC.
Kush 4, I crossed with NL2(which had the same Kush smell) and this Kush Hybrid is the foundation of todays Kush lines.
Garlic bud has also made it's presence felt and is part of todays super yielders.
Let me say one more thing about ML AfgT. This plant had exactly the same smell as Sams best SK1 but more so. It is the true Skunk archetype. I do not believe for one N.Y. minute that Afghani#1 is behind the SK1, which IMO gives credence to the Mendecino Joe story about SK1.
The world owes you a big Thank You Jim!
Let me be the first to say that I appreciate the work that you have done.
N.
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JessE
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Hi all
Ive grown quite a few varieties in my time, some of the best in the business in fact. Ive found the MNS Mango Haze and MNS Super Silver Haze to have been the best plants from seed that Ive had the privledge to work with however. Special mention for the 2002/2003 Paradise Seed Sensi Star, which seemingly wasnt the same a few years later after I went after it again unfortunately. Close, but no cigar!
Commercially Ive ran across some devestatingly potent strains, with only the aforementioned SSH being in the same league as these varieties in question. Some of these include White Widow, which was very cat pissy in aroma and taste, but like sticking your finger in an electric socket in terms of potency. I often refer to this line as the 1b most amazingly strong line I have experienced. The 1a was a variety presented to me as just Afghani, no other info was available on it other than some bs on where it was grown and how. This stuff tasted spicey from memory, which is why its just slightly ahead of the Widow, they were damn close in terms of shear power! 10/10.
Another variety was presented to me as simply 'Hindu Kush', and the first time I had a look at it from a distance, I thought it was schwagg and had offered to pack up some of my BC bud, and invited those who had it to just put it back in their pocket lol. They told me to come closer and sure enough, it was a red phenotype of some nice looking herb. They explained its color as a chemical reaction to the fertilizer, I beg to differ though on that one. This was a brilliant line of cannabis, it had a spicey and oriental type flavor. The effects were very surreal in nature, with the MNS Mango Haze being the only line Ive seen to date that Id compare it with. The buds werent terribly dense, but none the less damn good cannabis.
These strains were all ultimately responsible in some ways for my finding the online forums, and among the first strains I bought and grew was the Sensi Seed Hindu Kush, in hopes of acquiring this line for myself. While I didnt mind the Sensi Hindu Kush, it was nothing spectacular and was nothing like I was hoping it would be in terms of quality. I suspect all of them to have ultimate origins with Nevil, like with most lines in todays market.
Special mention to Serious Seeds Ak47 as one of the most impressive lines Ive seen commercially as well. The paranoia factor I experienced from that line, was something you wont soon forget. Though I can not vouch for what Serious offers as Ak today, but if their current version is anything like the one from 10 years ago, then its well worth anyones time in my opinion.
Ive grown quite a few varieties in my time, some of the best in the business in fact. Ive found the MNS Mango Haze and MNS Super Silver Haze to have been the best plants from seed that Ive had the privledge to work with however. Special mention for the 2002/2003 Paradise Seed Sensi Star, which seemingly wasnt the same a few years later after I went after it again unfortunately. Close, but no cigar!
Commercially Ive ran across some devestatingly potent strains, with only the aforementioned SSH being in the same league as these varieties in question. Some of these include White Widow, which was very cat pissy in aroma and taste, but like sticking your finger in an electric socket in terms of potency. I often refer to this line as the 1b most amazingly strong line I have experienced. The 1a was a variety presented to me as just Afghani, no other info was available on it other than some bs on where it was grown and how. This stuff tasted spicey from memory, which is why its just slightly ahead of the Widow, they were damn close in terms of shear power! 10/10.
Another variety was presented to me as simply 'Hindu Kush', and the first time I had a look at it from a distance, I thought it was schwagg and had offered to pack up some of my BC bud, and invited those who had it to just put it back in their pocket lol. They told me to come closer and sure enough, it was a red phenotype of some nice looking herb. They explained its color as a chemical reaction to the fertilizer, I beg to differ though on that one. This was a brilliant line of cannabis, it had a spicey and oriental type flavor. The effects were very surreal in nature, with the MNS Mango Haze being the only line Ive seen to date that Id compare it with. The buds werent terribly dense, but none the less damn good cannabis.
These strains were all ultimately responsible in some ways for my finding the online forums, and among the first strains I bought and grew was the Sensi Seed Hindu Kush, in hopes of acquiring this line for myself. While I didnt mind the Sensi Hindu Kush, it was nothing spectacular and was nothing like I was hoping it would be in terms of quality. I suspect all of them to have ultimate origins with Nevil, like with most lines in todays market.
Special mention to Serious Seeds Ak47 as one of the most impressive lines Ive seen commercially as well. The paranoia factor I experienced from that line, was something you wont soon forget. Though I can not vouch for what Serious offers as Ak today, but if their current version is anything like the one from 10 years ago, then its well worth anyones time in my opinion.
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