questions for Nevil on afghani and kush lines (the other grail!)

I don't know what Ed is calling Maple leaf.
Ortega 15 was Maple leaf. This was crossed with AfgTx Sk and AfgS x sk males.
AfgT and AfgS were both sisters and pure maple leaf. Maybe Ed thought that AfgS meant Afg(Sam). It doesn't. The hybrid Ed is talking about is 3/4 Maple Leaf.
N.
 
"It barely branches at all, almost like indican bamboo... pretty much a straight stem with almost no branching.. buds cure super dark almost black, dense and resinated."

A good description of NL1. Maybe ML1 meant MLxNL1. I know I made that cross.

Hash plant X NL1 was one of the strongest indica's I have smoked. That crossed real well with G13.
N.
 
Sensimilla13 said:
Hey Grover, are you really just a comic posing as an excellent cannabis farmer???

Thats twice now in the last 24hrs you had me laughin' my arse off!

I hope he finds it in good humor too, but your probably correct, he probably will not find it to funny...but the rest of us will!

Cheers,

Sensi13
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I Think You Have It The Wrong Way Round:D
Either That Or Grovers Multi Talented ;)
Have A Nice Weekend Grover ( My Grail ):)
Very Interesting Thread
Anyone Know About The Vancouver A-1 (1984) Strain ??
So , L.U.I And SPG ( Sweet Pink Grapefruit ) Come From Ortega , Or NL1 ?
Joe:)
 
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JKP - There is a guy on thcfarmer called gulf island who may have bred A1, pretty sure he said the A3 (from BC) was from him. They didn't know much about it other than it came originally to texada from Ontario. The letters were just his labeling system, there is a big thread on it over there. Same crew that did texada tw. LUI was an ortega cutting brought to switzerland by ed rosenthal hit with sweet tooth pollen. No one knows what sweet tooth really is as no one knows what the grapefruit cutting was, steve claimed that his source said it was an unreleased nl line. Maybe.. sure is a better marketing story than the known truth.. it was a commercial cut from one of the vietnamese grower groups prior to steve seeing it's potential.
 
"A good description of NL1. Maybe ML1 meant MLxNL1. I know I made that cross. Hash plant X NL1 was one of the strongest indica's I have smoked. That crossed real well with G13. N. "

Exactly the kind of info I was looking for Nevil thanks. How would you describe the "ortega 15"?
 
there's a good question, deep chunk. the only thing anyone seems to know about it is that it has been around forever and that it's vigor is waning; ie for breeding purposes only these days? even in sunny cal some of the deep chunks seem to have problems gaining any girth? maybe another affy?

and btw mr. ortega seeker, no where in your comments did i read anything that would in the least be considered offensive? this is all good discussion and good topic too! as long as there is no name calling or that sort of degradation, go ahead and tell it like you heard it or know it to be! none of us know it all and we are here to learn. peace-biteme
 
biteme said:
there's a good question, deep chunk. the only thing anyone seems to know about it is that it has been around forever and that it's vigor is waning; ie for breeding purposes only these days? even in sunny cal some of the deep chunks seem to have problems gaining any girth? maybe another affy?

and btw mr. ortega seeker, no where in your comments did i read anything that would in the least be considered offensive? this is all good discussion and good topic too! as long as there is no name calling or that sort of degradation, go ahead and tell it like you heard it or know it to be! none of us know it all and we are here to learn. peace-biteme
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i dont hav any experience wit deep chunk but ive had my eye on this one forever ,taste/effects are somthin id lov in my jar,seems to be a gem one of the few pure affie available in seed form

im sorry but i dont know where you got the idea that deepchunk has lost vigor,if you look at tomhill's outdoors pics of deep chunk they are massive n gorgeous


id love to hear if nev has any plans on searching for or putting out som pure affie/hp ,anything in the valut we might see in the future


1luvbigherb
 
Deep Chunk

Tom Hill has never made any secret that Deep Chunk is not a vigorous line. In an outbreeding plant like cannabis lower vigour is a simple fact when it is inbred to the extent Tom Hill has done. Inbred lines like this are generally intended as breeding lines to be outcrossed which instantly restores the vigour in the F1 via heterosis so long as too many deleterious recessive genes are not accumulated in the line during the inbreeding process. My only concern about deep chunk is the source population is very small.. some seeds found in a block of hash is not a wide genetic starting point plus Tom got it a few generations down the line already. A few 1:1 matings from a starting point that was likely not many plants in the first place could potentially cripple a line regardless of how good a breeder I am sure Tom is. Proof is in the pudding though and I have not tried the DC pudding... sure looks killer though! I wish more breeders followed Tom's breeding methods which focus heavily on keeping the line as wide as possible.
 
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ortega_seeker said:
I have smoked more neville's haze than most and personally think if you just culled out some of the more "jungle weed" pheno's it could already be called "Grail". Never puffed anything close in over 20 years! Haze is great from blowing out the pipes now and then but for me I still go for the heavy indicas most times. After much trial I have come to the conclusion that love em or hate em sensi seeds has the shit when it comes to pure afghani's.. but trace the lineage and most lead back to the Seed Bank days.. lots of ortega's, hash plant, NL1, maple leaf indica's... which brings me to my questions for nevil:

Which do you consider the best quality pure indica line you have worked with?

What ever happened to your mazar-i-sharif selection from your Peshawar trip? Offered in 85 and then disappeared off the map from what I can tell.

Any background on the Ortega and Maple Leaf Indica lines? Are they related?

Maple Leaf Indica is the highest quality (in my taste) line I have tried, does Mr Nice offer anything from similar lineage?

More than enough cannabis racism on the net... let's not forget about the afghani's and paki's!! I know there are other's still searching for the afghan grail....
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I still have some old stock Maple leaf seeds in My collection. I should be growing it now.We ran it 2 years ago It had a great headrush. There was almost a Scotch flavor in there. Absolutely remarkable headrush. Wonderful weed.Outstanding flavor as well

DP
 
Nevil said:
Black Domina was a 4 way indica hybrid I made for Sensi. I was going for big seeds/bracts with large resin globules on stalked glands. People seemed to want bigger yields, so I substited Garlic bud for one of the indicas. I don't know what has been happening at Sensi since then.
I liked the version with the big seeds and large stalked glands.

I also had another indica which would "shed" its resin at the drop of a hat. I was going to cross that into the Black Domina. You can see where I was going with this!

Ah well, it never happened and such is life.

Don't fret, it's still in the land of what dreams may come!
N.
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Hey Brother, Im running a female Black Domina right now. its in bud
 
biteme said:
there's a good question, deep chunk. the only thing anyone seems to know about it is that it has been around forever and that it's vigor is waning; ie for breeding purposes only these days? even in sunny cal some of the deep chunks seem to have problems gaining any girth? maybe another affy?

and btw mr. ortega seeker, no where in your comments did i read anything that would in the least be considered offensive? this is all good discussion and good topic too! as long as there is no name calling or that sort of degradation, go ahead and tell it like you heard it or know it to be! none of us know it all and we are here to learn. peace-biteme
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Im gonna help field this one, and dont You Guys go repeat me on the Tom Hill forum.... Ok?
I grew it and absolutely dislike it. I wasted space on an indoor grow which I mixed 10 different varieties with DC. It was last winter. I still have DC bud that gives me a headache and doesnt hit the mark. None of it did. I like and respect Tom Hill, as I do several breeders, and That was a dead end.
To Be fair, I havnt grown the crosses I made, except one DeepChunk/SweetTooth, and it looks good. I just hope it doesnt take on DC genes
 
ortega_seeker said:
hey shelter, where was your "old stock" mli from?
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We have two giant collections over here of seeds. My Son, who just left, has the Maple Leaf seeds in it. He was gifted them by an older Humboldt grower that had for awhile and We got them 3-4 years ago. Every plant is Headrush city. I didnt like the Scotch indica smell at first, but, I love it now, because it headrushes like OG Kush and Headband, and maybe more.
Remind me later Bro, Ill ask my son when he comes back

DP
 
bigherb said:
i dont hav any experience wit deep chunk but ive had my eye on this one forever ,taste/effects are somthin id lov in my jar,seems to be a gem one of the few pure affie available in seed form

im sorry but i dont know where you got the idea that deepchunk has lost vigor,if you look at tomhill's outdoors pics of deep chunk they are massive n gorgeous


id love to hear if nev has any plans on searching for or putting out som pure affie/hp ,anything in the valut we might see in the future


1luvbigherb
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No Bro, you dont.
 
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and on this same line of thought; tom hill is about the only one i have ever seen able to grow deep chunk that huge although someone will make me a liar. but the story on dc even before tom made his comeback was generally not a pretty one. as a stand alone strain, i cannot recall anyone saying that they liked it so the prior comments are the rule of the thumb.

the story on dc for those in the know was as breeding material. and i am not talking simple crossing either. i do not make seed so i have never been one of "those in the know". hell, some days i have enough trouble keeping seed out of my buds. lol. deep chunk=old time hash plant of some sort? peace-biteme
 
Shelter Cove said:
No Bro, you dont. Id send You some good mixes I made with it ( as long as its not against the TOU here)
That stuff strait is Yucky. Looks good, solid buds. Has to cure too long. I just dont like that flavor
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appreciate the kindness

surprised to hear such a negative review

im curious as to the taste/aromas you got

also you say you didnt test the crosses but im curious to kno wat hav you crossed her wit ,ive just seen today a particular pheno DC x C99 from cannacopia great report ,ive tried to grab the dc x bubba but had a problem wit my order ,ive got som g13Xhp from nevs 88 stock im dying to run ,that and my tora bora are my heaviest/purest indicas i hold,but i ran one TB pheno and it wasnt half as strong as i hoped although overall i was very impressed IME wit 1 seed it was just hyped on the strenght description ,but i got a few more too look threw

1luvbigherb
 
The best hash i smoked was in 79 blonde leb but the best black was out of Asia gold and red seal black putty miss that stuff.
 
hey hempy, the asia gold with red seal as you named it was a black hash but what was the origon? i would guess nepalese? especially with your description of soft, black putty-like?

the reason i ask is you mentioned it in conjunction with leb hash. i am pretty sure i have never seen a black leb?

and to hook back to mr. ortegaseeker's thread, imho the best black i ever saw is the early baby surf boards from afghanistan and if my recall is on, it was this sort of hashish where mr. hill found his dc? peace-biteme
 
bite me - I don't remember Tom ever said what type of hash it came from (only that it was afghani). To be honest it seems really odd to find seeds in afghani hash as most/all is sieved and pressed.. nepalese or n. indian hand rub for sure I can see finding seeds in.. hand rub can be an adventure lol I remember speculating with a friend weather it was yak's hair or hair from the rubbers arm protruding from a temple ball!. Pretty sure those surf boards were just pressed by hand not rubbed. What years were you getting surf boards?? never seen them myself think they were early seventies? Either way, little doubt that deep chunk is an afghani going by it's structure. I have seen lots of crappy reviews but in my experience most people just don't like pure afghani's.. add to that a plant that has little heterosis going on because it is inbred so much and you have something not likely to have alot of commercial appeal.. The guys that do like it seem to REALLY like it though.
 
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