Unless you have direct knowledge that I'm not privy to, I'd suggest that you drop the assumption.
The seeds I got were not just 2 bags. It could have been 12. One had three years put together of older stuff, The bags were old and crinkled like they'd been handled a lot over the years. The writing was old. Germination rates were consistant with the ages described. Sam was uncomfortable selling it. Everything was consistant with the legend.
Sam is an abrasive fellow. He might stretch the truth to exaggerate his own importance, and he does collaborate with the enemy, but I wouldn't accuse him of perpetrating such an elaborate hoax as what you seem to be suggesting. He is a breeder and misrepresenting what he is actually selling would be an atrocity that even he couldn't live with.
I don't like the man, but he has played a significant role in cannabis history.
Everything he has ever sold me has been exactly what he said it was. I'd trust his pedigrees more than I would trust those of most of the modern seed companies.
I was there and parting with the equivalent of a few months salary. If I was you, I wouldn't make the assumption that I could be fooled so easily.
The facts demonstrate that those seeds were the closest to the source of true haze. I got what I paid for.
N.
nevil
id like to say again much respect always,i dont wish to upset/fustrate or in anyway belittle your stock ,ive said in the past mns haze is the home of the haze away from the home of haze washington heights
NYC
my passion is haze i wish to know everything is this possible probably not ,but there is a slight possibility LOL ,now with you here you have answered questions i wouldnt have imagined being answered ,im very grateful for everything and anything you wish to share
IME
FRANKIES nyc haze is probably the best smoke ive experience in my life ,the only haze not from nyc that was similar was your nevilles haze and it only took my first smoke to realize
im not pullin this out of the skyy or imagining anything ,with the info given by yourself and SAMS himself ,things dont add up .i say assuption because nothing is certain but death or whats documented.
the amount of bags of stock you were given doesnt change the fact you say the plants seem to be hybrids or SAMS speaking of the burning bush in relation too the stock .burning bush is not OHAZE its sams work
just think about the info he told you and the story he has portrayed all along
the post below really sums thing up in a nutshell
The evidence is that he did not smoke and therefore breed haze until at least '71 by his own admission. I'd now guess that he crossed the '69 haze seeds to a Thai and this hybrid was probably similar in quality to stuff that I produced with the '69 seeds
as you say a hybrid of the OHAZE,if he wasnt there as he has told us he was until 71 nothin is certain on his part as too the actual breeding of the ohaze
your guess seems very logical ,as you had said numerous times the parents from the seeds stock seem to be hybrids and you have given guestimated % of haze in them.
his burning bush was offered in his 81 catalog of CC i believe,the haze dates before 69 was never spoke of by him and seem like a straight up lie a fake he must have made up.not once have i ever seen a date mention by SAMS about haze before 69 and i believe you have quoted the post from him about giving you stock
the post is what i refer to ,also this post n a few more from my thread have me stuck on his reference to 76 which obviously has som significane
As for anyone (if I got this right) implying that Original Haze clones from 1969 are used, and alive, that is plain insane, there are no Cannabis clones from 1969, that is for sure. But maybe he meant seeds from 1969? And not grown until the 80's? To be honest I do not know, except the only Original Haze seeds sold prior to the 80's were mine, That I made after 1976. One way or another something is not correct about the 1969 date, and that is what you are going on. As far as I know all Nevilles work with Haze was from Original Haze he got from me, thats what he told me anyway, back in the 80's.
-SamS
what the **** LOL would burning bush have to do with haze stock from 69 or before ?
too me everything happens for a reason and this lil piece of info that he told you about burning bush is quite meaningful
also as you said earlier you wouldnt put a kilo of haze hash on him tellin you he had any part in the actual breeding of the haze ,as i dont believe he himself has admitted this ,as i pointed out in my second to last post in reference to L33t quote below
According to Sam Haze started as Mex crossed to Colombian then S. Indian and Thai were added later by the Bros. Sam never said that he added Thai to the Haze , it was already added when the bros were developing the haze and it was before he got seeds and grew haze himself. So where do you base your claim ?
im not sure if this info is quoted from SAMS or just pieced together as from wats been told but below is a direct quote from SAMS
I gave the Thai and S Indian Kerala genetics to the Haze Bros to use and they did
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soo if SAMS wasnt around until 71 ,which he admitted b4 i was around ,then he admits he gave the haze bros the thai / S.indian genetics ,it seems fair to say SAMS without saying it has told us he didnt do any work in the actual breeding of the santa cruz haze
The facts demonstrate that those seeds were the closest to the source of true haze. I got what I paid for.
N
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and the community is forever grateful for the preservation and dedication ,which is evident in the offerings you have blessed us with
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