Grail: The Ultimate Haze Hybrid

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as a disclaimer:
those crosses mentioned were purely fictional, used as an example.
i do not know if they exist or not.

I think any mix of the plants weve seen and read about through this whole thread would be great.
 
Sensimilla13 said:
Has this opinion been shared by the ones involved? I'd sure like to hear the opinions of the ones involved on this!

Cheers,
Sensi
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Me too mate. Real shame Nevil and Kangativa dont post here anymore...

Take care,

CM
 
Thanks for your input guys, I'm glad this has generated some friendly debate.

I like using real examples so I'd like to put a question out there for opinion.

Nevil was adamant from the start that to create his best work NH would be a definite inclusion. Why do you think he was so fixed on this; what do you believe is key to the NH being part of a project like this?

Obviously NH was readily available, it is a proven winner and had the characteristics that Nevil favoured but lets look beyond that and think about why it might be viewed as elite breeding stock.
 
Mark, if you go back and read ALL of this thread, including comments by Nevil et al, you might just find the answers you are looking for to your question. As it is, your question at this late stage could be seen to be provoking an unpleasant result, and to be mischievous. Just my two Aussie cents worth. This thread has already had enough unpleasantness.
 
No, that's not my intention at all Smokin Moose, I apologize if it seems like that. I abhor the pain of flicking through countless bullshit posts and I don't want to add anything to the pile. I'm just trying to get people with an interest in breeding really thinking about it. I find I learn most by throwing around ideas, debating their merits, and finding ways to either prove or disprove theories and that's the only thing I'm trying to provoke.

The answers are there but all I see is my version of the answers. I expect others see things differently and I can adjust my own version accordingly if I can prove in my own mind that their version is better in some respect. I might even give others some new ideas - you never know.
 
I think Nevil chose Nevils Hz because it is the best work he has done and the best hybrid in his opinion to come out of Holland. Importantly it is his work. Hence it is a starting point from where he can produce something as good or better. What is it about that cross that he likes so much? I think it is the uplifting, long lasting, psychedelic high that every sativa lover desires. And as anyone who has grown the strain knows, there is quite a degree of variability in the line, from 10 week phenos that channel the Northern Lights ease of indoor growth, to 18 week hazes that test the most patient growers mettle. I think Nev wants to produce strains that remind the old chaps of the transcendental sativas of the seventies, with a commercial eye on ease of indoor growth. He's proud of Nevils Hz, but thinks there's room for improvement. Nevils Hz is an obvious starting point, where he takes it from there is anyone's guess, but if he sells his own creations again, I suspect there'll be strains that contain no NHz whatsoever. Other strains he's playing with are, Thai, Oaxacan, another old school Mexican (i dont know specifics), Mullumbimby Madness, Kariba Surprise, Old School SkHz, and various Himalayans and Afghanis. There's probably others too. He's just growing out lines, selecting the best, and working his magic in the crosses and repeating the process. Whether he sells again or not i dont think he cares as long as he's being creative and getting the best medicine he possibly can.
 
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What is it about that cross that he likes so much? I think it is the uplifting, long lasting, psychedelic high that every sativa lover desires.
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i agree with that .
i remember a post where he said he selected plants for effect not for yield or bag appeal
(the thread or post was talking about purple haze i think )

cheers
 
I think that sums things up pretty well Bushy. I'm more interested in delving a little deeper though.

A few people, myself included, questioned why a Mullumbimby Madness x Haze C wouldn't be a likely grail candidate. I wasn't sure why he would be so set on the fact that NH was the place to start. Sure enough it was probably his favourite hybrid but why start with a haze hybrid when you could start with Haze C? What did NH have to offer that made it a better choice than Haze C?

When Nevil imagined what an improved version of Haze might be, he focused on the best progeny from Haze A that reminded him a lot of exceptional Thai weed he'd smoked years ago. He believed it was Thai that was one of the Haze ancestors that contributed most to the Haze effect and channeling that was the best hope of improving Haze. This mind set was most likely influenced by First Haze female. NH is obviously the best place to look for more Haze A leaning phenotypes and those examples especially those leaning more toward that special Thai. That's covering all of the obvious, common knowledge reasons but things are more interesting when you look at everything else NH has to offer and also why he would choose to use a male particularly for breeding grail.
 
I thought he went for Nev haze cause it was the best Naze an had both A an C mixed with no catpiss smell.
Then he wanted to find a plant like the first Haze he didnt keep an mix with Nev Haze.


But who knows?:)
 
Chana Masala said:
Me too mate. Real shame Nevil and Kangativa dont post here anymore...

Take care,

CM
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im newish , why dont they post anymore ,its ashame cause the last 20 years ive always wondered who , what , how ,when ,about the best weed , who was behind it . did they leave because of clowns or police activity if it was because of clowns,your ausies you guy s are thick skinned and tough i spent two years in aus and you guys dont suffer fools lightly so please come back im fifty and need more knowledge peace t
 
Amati, Stradivari, and Guarneri.

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What makes a Stradivari so expensive?

What good is a million dollar violin, if one does not have the skill to play it...

For the sake of this post, Mr. Nevil is Andrea Amati, Mr. Blakey is Antonio Stradivariis. Kangativa is Pietro Giovanni Guarneri :D.

I think NH is that special itialian village were sons have followed in footsteps of their father's...

NH breeding project to a newbie like me would be to create my pallet. Flavour, potency and colour wheel to hopefully make songs... albums, and then maybe a sympony. High hopes but why not have big dreams!?!?! On that note, if this were the 90's we could change NH to Skunk #1???

If I work towards the path of selecting my own tools, intruments and wheels, I am sure something great will come out of it.

Anybody ever read Malcom Galdwell? I beleve he has three books, but his third book was about success, called outliers. Not to go off topic, but I think it is relavant. In outliers, Mr. galdwell basically gives shares his thesis why people are highly successful today. 1. Being in the right place at the right time, i.e. being born in the right era or time frame? 2. Working hard and practicing at it. 3. Cultural difference i.e work ethic and income of your parents. 4. a combination of 1 through 3. I found the book great for a person that is working towards success with regard to life and our shared passion.

Anywho, If we all keep a goal in mind, and be good enough about it, I think many of us will be closer to the answers...

Good morning,

CM

@ Taz, trolls and politics is my guess.
 
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Mark said:
I think that sums things up pretty well Bushy. I'm more interested in delving a little deeper though.

A few people, myself included, questioned why a Mullumbimby Madness x Haze C wouldn't be a likely grail candidate. I wasn't sure why he would be so set on the fact that NH was the place to start. Sure enough it was probably his favourite hybrid but why start with a haze hybrid when you could start with Haze C? What did NH have to offer that made it a better choice than Haze C?
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Yes I see your point, the answer relates to pure geographical logistics in terms of transporting parents overseas I imagine. That and possibly old haze clone entropy;) No I don't know if that's true, I suspect it is, but I'm no botanical scientologist. Also Shanti has had the means to cross HzC with MM for a decade or so now and?? There is a school of thought that crossing like with like isn't as propitious as crossing opposites. I don't know I'm not a....but I suspect its true.
 
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bushweed said:
Yes I see your point, the answer relates to pure geographical logistics in terms of transporting parents overseas I imagine.
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thx for the laugh :)

especially with howard, sending a 5cm small clone is impossible ;)

im aware of oz`s though policy about import n export, still many growers from down under send and recieve clones from all over the world successfully, thats sure not the reason, guaranteed !

reason for their not posting is simple, be honest to yourself and your honest to all others, this didnt worked out when you live a lie

why the need for a grail? bc hope dies last ;) but the truth is, life goes even on when all hope is lost, and thats exactly the moment where we are at

greatness is when you admit your faults, but in the canna buizz, especially when its about haze, you arent allowed to make faults or mistakes, and its not imagineable that somebody like nevil would admit that hes made of flesh n blood and is also prone to making mistakes, he is the emperror with no clothes, and on this forum many users saw that the emperror had no clothes ... bam ! -> he went away

just look when 1st post of this thread was written, actually its a sad story all in all and i feel sorry for all believers, but as a smart woman once said, the one who knows nothing - has to believe everything
 
Sorry you gave up waiting.
But nevilles grail it's not a lie.
Sound to me like your the one who knows nothing.
 
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deran said:
greatness is when you admit your faults, but in the canna buizz, especially when its about haze, you arent allowed to make faults or mistakes, and its not imagineable that somebody like nevil would admit that hes made of flesh n blood and is also prone to making mistakes, he is the emperror with no clothes, and on this forum many users saw that the emperror had no clothes ... bam ! -> he went away

just look when 1st post of this thread was written, actually its a sad story all in all and i feel sorry for all believers, but as a smart woman once said, the one who knows nothing - has to believe everything
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Hi deran,
Strange bitterness comming out of yr post.
I can't imagine why but it seems you know more on the subject and we obviously don't.

My guess is that this grail haze isn't about who has the longest or biggest dick but it's about sharing one of the most finest cannabis strains made.

Maybe i don't know much, i def. know nothing about the personality of Nevil himself but that is not the reason why i'm here.

I became a "believer" the moment i tasted some of Nevils first haze hybrids.
Not because i knew Nevil made them but simply by smoking them.
Nothing could compare really at least here nothing did.

Everybody has and makes mistakes, what's wrong with that?
If it weren't for mistakes we'd never learn anything about anything.

Grail time!
:D
 
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