The True Origins of Haze- BigHerb's Article

[bigherb]

I do not understand how you can claim to not know about J and yet in your article you claimed to have spoken to J ?.






3 haze brothers now big

Bigherb please enplane lol..

The three brothers lets call Joey Bobby and Petey


you have to be the stupidest bastard on the net

Lets call hempy ,these are not there names you tard .It was an attempt to cover up the names which is why i say lets call

Come on fool Coincedentally they all end in y ,now just add a NY accent an it sounds funny.I was laughing when i wrote that


I know all there names in full ,but there is no Reason in the world to share that


I asked you to stop posting in my thread ,more than once

 

[coop]

the plane the plane

 

[Brick Top]

Sam Neville Shantibaba to name just 3

All three highly skilled individuals with exceptionally impressive credits to their names.

But all three are part of the HISTORY of Haze strains, but none of them were part of the "ORIGIN" of Haze strains, were they, Hempy?

All three came into the Haze picture farther down the timeline of Haze, after the actual "origin" of Haze, right Hempy?

All three, later on in time, worked with, and in a number of cases did spectacular work, with what the originators of Haze strains had created. Right Hempy?

Isn't the title of this thread "The True Origins of Haze" and not the history of Haze or what other highly skilled people later in time did with what the originators of Haze created?

Is there any possible way to get you to focus only on the "ORIGIN" of Haze strains and not on what later came from those strains thanks to this talented person or that talented person ... and to keep you from calling people liars and putting words in people's mouths or you rambling on about what you grew in 1979 and what went on in Australia in that era and how pilots of a 747, which cruises at roughly 550 MPH and somewhere between 5 and 7 1/2 miles in the air, could identify plants on the ground as being marijuana plants etc, etc, etc?

Has anyone else noticed that this was an interesting and peaceful thread before Hempy became deeply involved?

 

[hempy]

Funny, I still know them and they both said point blank no way.
BTW One of the Haze Bros spent all of the 80's & 90's in Mexico retired, the other Haze grower had quit growing Original Haze in 1980 because he found Skunk #1 easier to grow. Niether ever made large batches of seeds, and as far as I know neither had any Original Haze seeds left by the early 1980's when Neville got them from the Haze Bros??? And they both clearly said they did not sell Neville anything, or even meet him.

Remember that Shantibaba was not around when Neville claimed to get Original Haze Seeds from the Haze Bros, he may well have been told this by Neville but it does not make it true. Neville has been know to bend the truth more then once, and has lied to me more then once, when it was to his advantage.

-SamS

It is absurd that neville said he got 1969 O Haze seeds from the Haze Bros.
#1 Neville first traveled to USA in 86 or 87 at the earliest, the main Haze Brother, R was gone, retired in Mexico by 82 he did not come back for 10 years. He was the one that created O Haze. The second Haze Brother J quit growing O Haze about 1980 and only grew Skunk #1 after that, until he became a reborn christian, then he quit growing, and anyway recently he told me he never met Neville and he certainly did not sell any Haze seeds to him or anyone else ever.
#2 The Haze Bros had a falling out in the late 70's and stopped talking to one another, for certain they did not sell seeds as the Haze Bros to anyone, it is ridiculous as well as impossible.
Lets be honest Neville got the seeds from me, but he had promised me that he would not make pure Haze and sell them as such, I told him it was fine to make Haze hybrids with other varieties that were not mine.
He broke his word and started selling Haze pure and hybrids with my varieties, and I stopped working with him.
Maybe he lied to avoid the problems that accompany breaking your word? I can not say, but I know Neville did not meet the Haze Bros and did not get any O Haze seeds from them. Both the Haze Bros were close friends of mine and both were close neighbors for years, J lived a few hundred meters from my house until he departed to Mexico.

-SamS

Originally posted by Bigherb
I always tell the truth an the truth is this is the story that was shared with me from the fella who gifted me the poster an enlightened me about the 3 brothers from back east .

Originally Posted by Sam_Skunkman View Post
I read this and have to say it is mostly correct, a few minor points are off. I do not want to nit-pick.
In the past I have read so much crap about the Haze it was nice to see the mostly true facts for a change.
I was in all the greenhouses that G and R.L. used to grow, they were not big or fancy. G's first crop was outdoors in the Santa Cruz mountains, they used greenhouses as soon as they could. In the beginning both lived separately just a block or two from my place, I was a close friend of both.
Remember, I was given permission to use and reproduce the genes and the name the Original Haze back in the 70's. Not that most people care, but I did.
As far as I know I am the only one with un-hybridized Haze. Only used for breeding it is amazing what happens when you use it to make Haze/Whatever hybrids, amazing.

-SamS

You guys need to wake up and smell the cannabis.

 

[jack hairy]

the 3 brothers were the consumers and dealers from the east.
the 2 brothers were the growers ,j (g) and R.L.
what is so hard to understand?

 

[jack hairy]

id like to point out, that however big obtained the o haze poster, shows he has a real connection to one of the original people involved with haze.

so there is sources of information about haze that predates nevils work.

 

[coop]

Sound it out phonetically hempy.

J
G

jorge/george
jerry/gerry
im sure theres more

 

[hempy]

The three brothers lets call Joey Bobby and Petey


you have to be the stupidest bastard on the net

Lets call hempy ,these are not there names you tard .It was an attempt to cover up the names which is why i say lets call

Come on fool Coincedentally they all end in y ,now just add a NY accent an it sounds funny.I was laughing when i wrote that


I know all there names in full ,but there is no Reason in the world to share that


I asked you to stop posting in my thread ,more than once

I am not ones bastard big you are a very foolish little being to think you can hide this mess.

The only terd as you put it is in the form an article you your self wrote smart ass.

Facts are you sed Sam and his information was not credible and yet it was when it came to your article pathetic and no surprise wen it comes to you but the facts are like it or not big Sam is the only real source of information relating to haze that can be seen as credible lol.

Burning Bush was an Original Haze with a strong Thai influence. I named it.
There were only Two Haze Brothers and they did not go to NYC and visit HT.
Joe Haze is not a Haze brother. The Haze Brothers did not grow Indica's, they grew Sativa's.
They did grow my Skunk #1 after 1980, because it was easier and faster for them.
-SamS

There are much much more posts clearly saying 2 haze brothers lets face facts big your a joke and so is your article.

You harass people for information and brush any and all information you dont see as relevant to you as lies yet use any parts you need and see it as the truth.

You big are exposed for the lier you are.

Originally Posted by Sam
I am the third Haze brother, AKA the unknown Haze Brother, SHEMP. Nevile did not have the Haze until the mid 80's when he started to offer haze hybrids that he made

how much more do you need me to show the world how much of a joke you guys are ?.


Face it the point in history that the haze story is relevant and verifiable if from the point Neville and Sam germinated haze seed.

I know a lot of you in NYC and Cali dont want to read this but i am honestly sorry to present you all the facts as they do stand and have for many years stick that in your journalistic pipe and smoke on it big as i sure as hell dont believe you smoke cannabis .

 

[itsbenfun]

Private Dodge,

Your tactics only burn your own house and your brothers down.

Burn away...

 

[hempy]

Private Dodge,

Your tactics only burn your own house and your brothers down.

Burn away...

your a fool mate you cant save big any longer so try and save your self is my advice lol.

 

[jack hairy]

the 3 brothers were the consumers and dealers from the east.
the 2 brothers were the growers ,j (g) and R.L.
what is so hard to understand?

again, why do you keep repeating yourself?

 

[hempy]

The three brothers lets call Joey Bobby and Petey


you have to be the stupidest bastard on the net

Lets call hempy ,these are not there names you tard .It was an attempt to cover up the names which is why i say lets call

Come on fool Coincedentally they all end in y ,now just add a NY accent an it sounds funny.I was laughing when i wrote that


I know all there names in full ,but there is no Reason in the world to share that


I asked you to stop posting in my thread ,more than once

I am no ones bastard big you are a very foolish little being to think you can hide this mess.

The only terd as you put it is in the form an article you your self wrote smart ass.

Facts are you sed Sam and his information was not credible and yet it was when it came to your article pathetic and no surprise wen it comes to you but the facts are like it or not big Sam is the only real source of information relating to haze that can be seen as credible lol.

Burning Bush was an Original Haze with a strong Thai influence. I named it.
There were only Two Haze Brothers and they did not go to NYC and visit HT.
Joe Haze is not a Haze brother. The Haze Brothers did not grow Indica's, they grew Sativa's.
They did grow my Skunk #1 after 1980, because it was easier and faster for them.
-SamS

There are much much more posts clearly saying 2 haze brothers lets face facts big your a joke and so is your article.

You harass people for information and brush any and all information you dont see as relevant to you as lies yet use any parts you need and see it as the truth.

You big are exposed for the lier you are.

Originally Posted by Sam
I am the third Haze brother, AKA the unknown Haze Brother, SHEMP. Nevile did not have the Haze until the mid 80's when he started to offer haze hybrids that he made

how much more do you need me to show the world how much of a joke you guys are ?.


Face it the point in history that the haze story is relevant and verifiable if from the point Neville and Sam germinated haze seed.

I know a lot of you in NYC and Cali dont want to read this but i am honestly sorry to present you all the facts as they do stand and have for many years stick that in your journalistic pipe and smoke on it big as i sure as hell dont believe you smoke cannabis .




Jack your a smart guy read the quotes and stop talking to your self.

 

[hempy]

Funny, I still know them and they both said point blank no way.
BTW One of the Haze Bros spent all of the 80's & 90's in Mexico retired, the other Haze grower had quit growing Original Haze in 1980 because he found Skunk #1 easier to grow. Niether ever made large batches of seeds, and as far as I know neither had any Original Haze seeds left by the early 1980's when Neville got them from the Haze Bros??? And they both clearly said they did not sell Neville anything, or even meet him.

Remember that Shantibaba was not around when Neville claimed to get Original Haze Seeds from the Haze Bros, he may well have been told this by Neville but it does not make it true. Neville has been know to bend the truth more then once, and has lied to me more then once, when it was to his advantage.

-SamS

It is absurd that neville said he got 1969 O Haze seeds from the Haze Bros.
#1 Neville first traveled to USA in 86 or 87 at the earliest, the main Haze Brother, R was gone, retired in Mexico by 82 he did not come back for 10 years. He was the one that created O Haze. The second Haze Brother J quit growing O Haze about 1980 and only grew Skunk #1 after that, until he became a reborn christian, then he quit growing, and anyway recently he told me he never met Neville and he certainly did not sell any Haze seeds to him or anyone else ever.
#2 The Haze Bros had a falling out in the late 70's and stopped talking to one another, for certain they did not sell seeds as the Haze Bros to anyone, it is ridiculous as well as impossible.
Lets be honest Neville got the seeds from me, but he had promised me that he would not make pure Haze and sell them as such, I told him it was fine to make Haze hybrids with other varieties that were not mine.
He broke his word and started selling Haze pure and hybrids with my varieties, and I stopped working with him.
Maybe he lied to avoid the problems that accompany breaking your word? I can not say, but I know Neville did not meet the Haze Bros and did not get any O Haze seeds from them. Both the Haze Bros were close friends of mine and both were close neighbors for years, J lived a few hundred meters from my house until he departed to Mexico.

-SamS

Originally posted by Bigherb
I always tell the truth an the truth is this is the story that was shared with me from the fella who gifted me the poster an enlightened me about the 3 brothers from back east .

Originally Posted by Sam_Skunkman View Post
I read this and have to say it is mostly correct, a few minor points are off. I do not want to nit-pick.
In the past I have read so much crap about the Haze it was nice to see the mostly true facts for a change.
I was in all the greenhouses that G and R.L. used to grow, they were not big or fancy. G's first crop was outdoors in the Santa Cruz mountains, they used greenhouses as soon as they could. In the beginning both lived separately just a block or two from my place, I was a close friend of both.
Remember, I was given permission to use and reproduce the genes and the name the Original Haze back in the 70's. Not that most people care, but I did.
As far as I know I am the only one with un-hybridized Haze. Only used for breeding it is amazing what happens when you use it to make Haze/Whatever hybrids, amazing.

-SamS

You guys need to wake up and smell the cannabis.

 

[itsbenfun]

Nope. You have crossed the line "matey". Tally ho.

You alone have brought this reality. Hell how many replies in this thread alone have tried to reason with you, enlighten you, save you from yourself?

Maybe drama queen suits you better???
You fame starved haze wanna be.
That is your problem isn't it? "" The red headed step child"

 

[coop]

wait a minute here,

He claims Sam has no credibility, yet tries to claim everyone else has no credibility by quoting Sam?

Its time for the ban hammer

 

[hempy]

wait a minute here,

He claims Sam has no credibility, yet tries to claim everyone else has no credibility by quoting Sam?

Its time for the ban hammer

You and a few others must have select eye site coop lol.

Them quotes are from Sam and your buddy bigherb they clearly show that not only is bigherbs article a complete joke and scam but all and any thing Sam has sed relating to haze or will say on haze is no longer believable.

You guys are playing silly little games here trying to deflect away from the facts in support of your mates bigs article that in all honesty is one of the worse articles ever published relating to cannabis.

Stick to the facts if you can find any lol.

I will help you guys the facts are Neville and Sam grew out haze that became haze hybrids any thing before that is like bigs article complete bull shit.

Your mates Big article is baste on what coop ? A guy big met from the INTERNET he spoke to on the phone and Sam who has no credibility and big also sed that and yet used Sam as he needed him to back his story what a joke this all is as are you that support it.


Ban hammer why coop i have not lied or have i trolled any one or have i insulted any one if i were you guys tho id be wearing a safety hat if it was to fall tho lol.

 

[jack hairy]

with all of hempys haze knowledge, he doesnt seem to understand that there were a group of 3 smokers known as the haze brothers that brought it east. then there were the 2 growers, who were never known as the haze brothers, they were the growers.

since hempy cant wrap his mind around that, and since he has NO valid info to add to the origins of haze, he should stop posting here.

 

[coop]

Ban hammer why coop i have not lied or have i trolled any one or have i insulted any one if i were you guys tho id be wearing a safety hat if it was to fall tho lol.

you've done nothing but troll this thread.

Remember your copy and paste tantrum a page back? Thats trolling.

 

[hempy]

you've done nothing but troll this thread.

Remember your copy and paste tantrum a page back? Thats trolling.

No what i did in this post was point out the holes in bigs article and story along with Sam's story who backed bigs article you see coop like it or not big opened him self up to scrutiny and criticism after he published his article so live with it and stop trolling me along with the rest of your mates.

 

[jack hairy]

The only terd as you put it is in the form an article you your self wrote smart ass.

Facts are you sed Sam and his information was not credible and yet it was when it came to your article pathetic and no surprise wen it comes to you but the facts are like it or not big Sam is the only real source of information relating to haze that can be seen as credible lol.


There are much much more posts clearly saying 2 haze brothers lets face facts big your a joke and so is your article.
You harass people for information and brush any and all information you dont see as relevant to you as lies yet use any parts you need and see it as the truth.

You big are exposed for the lier you are.



how much more do you need me to show the world how much of a joke you guys are ?.

looks like a few insults and lies right there.

if you are going to post here hempy, try to be positive.

can you tell us of your experiences with punto rojo?