The True Origins of Haze- BigHerb's Article

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lol What a tease, I think i better keep guessing then lol, it must have been a pain in the ass back then trying to grow. I think their was only Mel Franks book out then and like it says in the article they had to guess when to harvest. According to Happyhi in his posts he was saying that he cant even remember using ferts while tending the haze and the original growers were pulling in over 150 pounds I think I read in the article. Makes you wonder if all these bottles of Nutes we have these days dont mean shit if they were pulling in harvests like that back in the 70s.
 
lol What a tease, I think i better keep guessing then lol, it must have been a pain in the ass back then trying to grow. I think their was only Mel Franks book out then and like it says in the article they had to guess when to harvest. According to Happyhi in his posts he was saying that he cant even remember using ferts while tending the haze and the original growers were pulling in over 150 pounds I think I read in the article. Makes you wonder if all these bottles of Nutes we have these days dont mean shit if they were pulling in harvests like that back in the 70s.

Aside from the grow/s G and R.l Tended there were other players involved on the team I believe the amount could have been much more

Its also interesting you speak of nutes,this summer I met somone who has no real knowledge of cannabis but a grow or two under his belt he had a beautiful garden of vegetables and love of gardening he was gifted wat he told me were purple haze upon myfirst visit it was evident this was a indica leaning hybrid but did display purple.anyhow I was impressed by the vigor and huge size of the main stem, considering his lack of knowledge.i asked what he does to his soil an if he feeds his plants he told me all he dod was put fruits old fresh and peels in the soil earlier in the year an has done soo for many years it was somthing passed on,from his granpop
 
'Haze Brothers'
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'Haze (from the) Brothers'

1976 strains calendar. A BEL members, Bobby.

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Brotherhood


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See the love?

Peace.
 
Where do I place my order?
:D

The cali gold looks like O.Haze to me,and the Thai sticks just look good.
 
Where do I place my order?
:D

The cali gold looks like O.Haze to me,and the Thai sticks just look good.

My thoughts aswell, I think cali gold looks similar to nevilles haze my only experience with pure haze is THH an it was a fuller pheno

Its amazing how good those exotic sativa an they are not caked with thc


HHf

Im curious as to what you meant about haze brothers haze an than sharing these beautiful pics (thankyou by the way) Im also.curious where the pics/calendar came from

1luvbigherb
 
Im also.curious where the pics/calendar came from

This is from a friend, Bobby Ackerly, a founder member of the Brotherhood of Eternal Love. There is more to come, I'll drop by and add them as an when.

Im curious as to what you meant about haze brothers haze an than sharing these beautiful pics (thankyou by the way)

It is quite obvious what I mean, I would have thought. It shows you the seed lines in California of the Brotherhood peoples from around 76. Before any seed-banks, before any 'Haze Brothers'.

Its amazing how good those exotic sativa an they are not caked with thc

THC is only a small part of the 'picture' with Pure Sativas. It is all in the terpenoids, the flavanoids, and the art of the grower not the amount of resin. Pure Indicas are way higher in resin production, and thus total amount of THC. But they suck in terms of quality of high's, hashplants.

my only experience with pure haze is THH an it was a fuller pheno

Then you have not grown a pure haze. But Tom's is good for indoor, don't want to knock it, great line and all that. The markers are all wrong.

Anyway, I've seen you all debating, and thought you might want to see them anyway. I'd not seen them before before Bobby showed me, and like I say there is a lot more to come when times right.

Peace.
 
This is from a friend, Bobby Ackerly, a founder member of the Brotherhood of Eternal Love. There is more to come, I'll drop by and add them as an when.



It is quite obvious what I mean, I would have thought. It shows you the seed lines in California of the Brotherhood peoples from around 76. Before any seed-banks, before any 'Haze Brothers'.



THC is only a small part of the 'picture' with Pure Sativas. It is all in the terpenoids, the flavanoids, and the art of the grower not the amount of resin. Pure Indicas are way higher in resin production, and thus total amount of THC. But they suck in terms of quality of high's, hashplants.



Then you have not grown a pure haze. But Tom's is good for indoor, don't want to knock it, great line and all that. The markers are all wrong.

Anyway, I've seen you all debating, and thought you might want to see them anyway. I'd not seen them before before Bobby showed me, and like I say there is a lot more to come when times right.

Peace.

I appreciate your quick and detailed response . I hope you decide to stick around and look forward to you sharing some more of your collection soon


your post of the haze brothers was a quick mention no details and what I got from it was you.were goin to show haze bros haze,there is no pix titled haze bros soo you havee implied somthing without explaining


Im not clear on your post mentioning 76 and before haze bros

if you are sayin the boel was around before haze bros I can't contest that but if you are saying the pix from 76 were before the haze bros you should read the article,which you havnt commented on

I have never said I grew pure haze

Soo that means you believe tom hills haze to be a hybrid ,im not sure whst you mean by markers are wrong


Your username looks familiar and im thankful for trying to change the tone an your contribution although it wasnt haze related,but im not sure what you attitude with me is about



1luvbigherb
 
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Good post there HHF....Its amazing how Pure Sats look so much a like, here is a pic of Oaxacan and Mullum.
 

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Jack your attempting to confuse everyone with the facts

If 1000 people read this article 1000 of them would say there are 2 Haze Brother breeders and 3 Haze Brother sellers. This is accepted lore.
One person has decided to entertain us with a structural flaw in reading comprehension, or so he wanted us to believe. The above quote must of been between haze refueling. OMG! He is playing us and the above quote verifies that Hempy knows he is WRONG! Guess the old saying is true: Give somebody enough rope.......................:cool:-bk
 
Heya Herbie, kanga, HHF, et all

I was so stoked to see this article Herb, love to see the work you put into it, as well as all the additions and pictures of history from other members. I saw it quickly denigrate as most threads do around page 4, so I hopped to the end and BAM back on track. I'm still working to make the few Frankie fans proud, however never having smoked the real thing I'll def need y'all help through it. I'll keep ya posted herbie =)

I'm also really stoked to see Snowhigh's book coming out soon on Heirloom and landrace sats as well as some plantology (mythology, true history, you decide). Should be a treat for us all!
 
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No attitude with you friend, don't know you. I don't need a article to tell me about haze, can just speak to the people there from the start of the Cali weed scene, do all the time. BEL people where around from the very start early 60's and I grow enough haze(s) to have formed my own opinions.

Haze was a generic term, all those above where 'haze'. These lines existed way before the ''Haze Bros' and so did hybrids made between them. Haze Bros according to Sam started growing 75, 'original Haze'. Even Sam has said they took the name after it was used in the media. Its often presented like there was nothing before then, which is why I posted the above.

Brotherhood people brought back the first Indica seeds to Cali too, pre 70 ''purple kush'' and such, which formed the very first Indica/Sativa hybrids made in cali. Pre 70.

If you took all the seeds out those lines above, mixed them up grew them, or cross pollinated them all, you would have how many haze lines? some shorter flowering, some longer, some really late Thai dominants.

Originally, Haze was from the Brothers. They where the go to guys for the best herbs anywhere in the USA at the time, Hash and LSD of course too. Most the fun stopped in 72 when they where hit hard by the forming DEA, but the genes lived on.

I said all I think with regard to Tom's line, its great for indoor Sativa dom, its mostly Haze or looks so to me.

Peace.
 
Good post there HHF....Its amazing how Pure Sats look so much a like, here is a pic of Oaxacan and Mullum.

Nice job friend. Looks good to me, I'd be interested to try a confirmed Mullum someday. Hear good things, but no credible sources.

Peace.
 
Nice job friend. Looks good to me, I'd be interested to try a confirmed Mullum someday. Hear good things, but no credible sources.

Peace.

Welcome to the bords HHF. Looks like you just found him!

BEL calendar is/was amazing. Thank you!

Peace

CM

P.S. I think HHF should write the next haze article. No disrespect to BH

EDIT: Gotta at least be over 50 and live or have lived in Cali!!!
 
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Good post there HHF....Its amazing how Pure Sats look so much a like, here is a pic of Oaxacan and Mullum.

G`day Big Herb

Too right Kanga !
As I looked at the buds on the cards / posters . I thought of the different places I had obtained very similar buds ,then the flavours and effects,then the people and dwellings that were around . Was quite nostalgic to be honest .
Sure sign I`m gettin old ...

Thanks for sharin

Elmer Bud
 
Just rehashed on a Nevil moment, HHF your post made me feel excited again. For the lovely hz.

Love to hear some of your thoughts on the markers.

I have grown THH, thought is was a great plant too. Hz is limited, a few landrace thai I collected on travels and some Sat's from St. Catherine's in Dahab.

I don't want to start guessing on Hz markers in the indoor environment, if I may, are some markers to do with ripening? I noticed how fast THH is to ripen (8 weeks), in comparison to the great outdoor pics from the guys from OZ to really show how long it takes Hz to fully mature.

Peace,

CM
 
HHF, what's good brother? Love the central American landraces!

There has been some questions on my mind for sometime.
When I was young my dad was in the service stationed on the Panama canal. Some of my very first memories are from there. The beaches, iguanas and roaches. My pops still raves of the Panama red even though he doesn't smoke any longer.

I always just imagined it as a Mexican columbian hybrid.

Any thoughts friend?

IBF
 
HHF, what's good brother? Love the central American landraces!

Hi bro. Me too, they can be very special indeed. I'm working with some of these Mexicans now, excited about them.

When I was young my dad was in the service stationed on the Panama canal. Some of my very first memories are from there. The beaches, iguanas and roaches. My pops still raves of the Panama red even though he doesn't smoke any longer.

I always just imagined it as a Mexican columbian hybrid.

Any thoughts friend?

Hey, maybe we are going off topic and don't want to mess Herbs thread. I've grown a lot of alleged Panama Red's, most not pure lines, or some hybrid or another. Which is usual for 'internet' seed. I had one sent from some friends in Colombia that is wonderful, pure Sativa, bit like the Punto Rojo Colombian (not Colombian Red) in terms of high, but different terpenoids. Very nice plants, that actually do go red in flower. A really great breeding line too.

Just rehashed on a Nevil moment, HHF your post made me feel excited again. For the lovely hz.

I'm glad you enjoyed. I had a real nice buzz when I set eyes on them for the first time, there is a whole lot of love there, in presentation of the final product. Artisan times indeed.

I noticed how fast THH is to ripen (8 weeks), in comparison to the great outdoor pics from the guys from OZ to really show how long it takes Hz to fully mature.

I would not like to be drawn deeper on Tom's haze, I think he has been honest about its history? I would not take him other ways. Thats it.

I'm really referring to markers in other Haze lines, as we know Tom's is Posi's. Inbred line.

As I looked at the buds on the cards / posters . I thought of the different places I had obtained very similar buds ,then the flavours and effects,then the people and dwellings that were around . Was quite nostalgic to be honest . .

Wonderful, glad you dig it.

Peace.
 
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You are gentleman!

I hope you stick around and wish you get a chance to rock some MM from down under...

Peace brother,

CM
 
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