Land Races Growing - A preservation work

[bigherb]

Thanks a lot Shanti for making your statment and I appreciate your time spent here explaining your point of view you won´t have to worry with dirty washing company at least that wasn´t my intention as I said before I have much respect for you and your work.
Let´s get back to what I´ve came here. LAND RACES Knowledge.
It´s a pleasure to me to work with as much as Land Races I can get and I am having the luck to cultivate with much care and time spent because much of them are long time growing plants where you can expect much more than two times flowering in the same year, the land races seem to have a never ending flowering that is so magic and wonderful that I can´t get enough of those layers and layers of THC glands in one bud. And the high from all of them is incredible and so uplifting and cerebral of course but a relaxating cerebral activity that will help you to get through your busy day without making you lazy or sleepy, a kind of energetic high for the brain.
Here is the list of land races that I have been working since I´ve started growing cannabis back in 88 when I´ve got 50 seeds of hawaiian pakalolo maui wowie strain from a old time grower who lived in Hawaii for over than 30 years.
Zamal, Celestial Temple Sativa, Oaxaca Gold, Pakalolo, Colombioan Gold, Manga Rosa, Mullumbimby MAdness, Highland Thai, Durban Poison (and I´ve made a Durban Thai cross from these), Cabeça De Nego (a.k.a. Bahia Black Head), Black Colombian, Punta Roja, Acapulco Gold, Purple Haze (and with these two I´ve made Mota Mortal cross an Acapulco mom fathered by P.Haze), Brazilian Lemon, Lemon Verde, Brazilian Green, Senegal, Congo, Angola Red, Morrocos, Nairobi and China. Right now I´m growing Black Colombian, Punta Roja, Brazilian Green, Manga Rosa, Mota Mortal, Electric Smoke, Lemon Skunk and Super Silver Haze X Bubbakush.

its great to kno these strains of yesteryear are being preserved and spread and held by a member in the mns community .your list is most impressive and intruiging

id love to hear a through as possible smoke report from each of those strains not exspected but can/would be benefical too our community.

you know there is a very interesting thread you might enjoy partaking im sure you can shed som light ,me personally im very interested in colombian strains especially COLOMBIAN WACKYWEED aka colombian black .the info n history of colombian strains is highly lacking id love to hear you experiences,also considering mns haze parents hav colombian genes it would be interesting to compare n contrast

Colombian Landraces Wanted - International Cannagraphic Magazine Forums

id lov an highly appreciate if you could drop a smoke report on the CBlack n punto rojo im most interested in taste/aromas as effects can be subjective

best of luck wit that current lineup mota mortal is somthin id lov to hav in my jar ,lov to hear all about her aswell

1luvbigherb

 

[BAMBI]

online land races' not so good"

Well im glad this is all sorted out, allot of fuss over jack all eh'

Anyways since were on the topic of landraces i wanted share my view and experience with regards to using landrace varietys off of any and all online seed banks ive tried over the past ten years,

Quoting another breeders words on another fourm - Using landraces bought online or from seed banks he's used was like trying to re'invent the wheel,"

Thus meaning there were too many bad traits to be had when he used them for breeding purposes, well this struck me funny because its exactly how ive been feeling about this issue lately, and i too will no longer will i make this extra work formyself and stop using them also,

Therefore a trip to Afghannistan next year is on the cards, fuck the fucking war il be there for cannabis seeds only and thats what i will tell any and all soliders whom try and mess my plans up, calm down bambi yes"

Getting a tad fustrated aye, lol,
Have you fritzman or anybody tried seeds from bangkok, street shit seeds i mean, bag seed from bangkok, a friend of mine tells me the weed isnt much to write home about, however im thinking perhaps this is simply the growers fault, a bad season maybe who knows ?

 

[brock1]

i find a lot of today's land races are not what there meant to be a lot of seed banks cross landraces with skunk ect to make the plants more sellable and just say there a pure land race. now in a lot of country's the landraces that breeder love so much are not what they were and true land races are hard to find because of the introduction of commercial strains in the area. like most people the farmers want the best crops they can get. when mr landrace collector comes with his tin of skunk and a bag of the best seeds ever seen in the area the farmers want them how can anyone blame him? so seeds exchanged mr landrace collector goes his way with his land race to cross ect and what dose mr farmer do? grows the best seeds in the country with his newly found skunk seed strains he was given crossing them to his landraces ect. and then the landrace strain is lost. used to get landrace from a African friend that he used to get sent from friends and family that still live there. now they don't get the landraces anymore because everyone grows skunks and more commercial crops. the best landrace strains are the more stable ones imoa if your going to Afghanistan for seeds bambi good Luke hope you find what your looking for but try to look for hybrid vigor in the plant and avoid it if you can for true landrace strains

 

[BAMBI]

Hi'ya brock'1, I liked your view on whats happening to the landraces of yester'year it seems, I heard of this occuring in Mexico now also, and your right' ya can't blame them for wanting to produce more shit than there landrace does, as'long as it looks good and has a good high and reasonably quick to flower then comercially its what there after,
lol' its what im after too"

Got to be carefull using those fast to flower varietys as many of them will self seed on the lowest or lower bottom branch's, Ive found a couple of good quick flowering varietys now that dont have this trait,

Finding pure Afghanni seeds in afghan land could turn out to be rather tricky aye, i think id try hunt down some truely wild plants first and look for the most pure like you said or hopefully pure landrace plants, definitely worth looking into that much i do know.

 

[brock1]

your right bambi mate it definitely worth trying to find the pure land race strains. i wish you all the luck in the world its people like you that will preserve the strains of the past imoa. not the farmers that should be keeping to there traditions. one day when everything's been f**ked up with modern breeding feming ect people like your self will hold the answers not the breeders like greenhouse dutch passion ect. i think alot of then know this already and you have the likes of green house doing there strain hunter thing. why would a company like green house go hunt land race strains down buy or ever tried as Meany of the seeds from the land race farmers as they can then give them their own seeds? well i think its because you can only fling so Meany genes into your plants before the plant doesn't know what it is they meant to be anymore and just turns to shit. these big company's want to have a answer on there shelf's ready to start again with when this happens to the inbreed out crossed feminised ect ect breed plant. breeding to a true plant that knows its what its been for hundreds of years is exactly what they will need. they don't wont joe public to be getting the land races so they control the market so when they get there land races after putting a lot of time into sourcing them they give seeds of the best weed in the word to these farmers. most of these poor folk don't have the knowledge and know how to do something good with both land race and modern strains so after the first crop of the new strain doing better than the land races they discarded the land races. and after a few generation they new amazing f1 are pure pond weed inbreed Hermie f8 that have no use for anything but hash making. and the cure they had they give away for these f1 and a few £ so there kids can go to school and get them out of poverty. bambi if you go in search of the land race strains keep us informed how things go love afghan its a legend here like most places. i think your Bangkok seeds could be a winner for breeding mate are they breed for seed as a food ? i think seeds that are breed for more than 1 reason will have a good chance of being very true breeding might lack in strength and taste & take a few generations to get a nice flavor and smell but the stability of the seeds should be worth the work imoa.

 

[HHF]

Hi Shanti,

As already been mentioned it is fine to talk about other strains and charateristics of land races but airing dirty washing about seed company internal issues is not correct by anyone.

I of course, totally respect this. However, in the spirit of free speech, I hope you could allow a single record to correct somethings quite wrong here.

No drama's, just a few facts that relate to linage.

Thanks a lot Smoke Dream,
The Colombian Black and Punta Roja seeds were sent by Phill who obtained from Aldous in Colombia.
There is a story about Breeder´s choice and BSC selling seeds as one big company but it all went wrong I couldn´t trust in the people that were getting involved in the project. Some time ago back in 2005 I received an email saying that the person who was writing to me was Phill who used to be Mr.Nice tester and he was askingto become my partner in a new and revolucionary cannabis preservation project that he used to call Cannabreeder´s Choice but he was only talk and more talk without any deep involvement in the partnership saying that he was in touch with great cannabis connection at Cannabis Cup and we could get together with some other cannabis business men as Gypsy, Arjan, Queijo and win CC every single year with our genetics. At the same time I was talking to Kaiki from Cannabiogen and he told me to get my eyes opened with those guys cause they weren´t reliable ones and some of them was in debt with Kaiki a large amount of euros and I told him that they came to me to ask for partnership with BSC and after all set they offered me to produce seeds for them and to be paid not with a partner´s share but 1,500 USD per month and they only could tell me what to sell at BSC and what to not sell at the same time as their company Breeder´s Choice and HHF/Queijo. They showed me the land Arjan is the owner here in Bahia - Brazil and there was the place that was supposed to be my new home and growing place.
I said that i wasn´t interested in their lies and offers and then started a war against BSC and my work with land races.

1. We did send some of our landrace collections to this guy. We are happy to share with others that might do good work.
2. We sent a rep to meet him in Brazil, Zamilito, what he witnessed meant we did no wish to pursue any relationship, whether business or anything else. Certainly no offers of any kind where made, and the only money exchange here was a donation to this man by us simply to keep him going.
3. I've never worked with Arjan?
4. I don't owe Kaiki anything?
5. We have never worked with any BSC lineage plants, never will!
6. BSC market genetics passed to them by us, same as anyone else can get from us, as usual no one ever asked if it was cool or anything else, about the plants.
7. Win a cannabis cup every year? wtf, roflmao..
8. Showed him land Arjan owns in Brazil? give you a home? wtf? roflmao..
9. Anyone who 'outs' peoples names on Cannabis forums, really shows themselves for what they are.

This guy's delusional. As usual, the facts show something quite different to the reality.

Geez. Cannabis has a funny effect on some people.

Cheer's, HHF

 

[suburban]

Wow, that little rebuttal by HHF backfired in a spectacular way...

It's a damn good thing we all have access to some reputable breeders and seed merchants to counteract the bad karma generated by shysters and 'pot pimps' out there.

Thanks for the heads-up, BH.

 

[british_hempire]

I don't like putting the boot in like that but in this case it's richly deserved.

People need to be aware of the past history of HHF.

 

[hazyfontazy]

I don't like putting the boot in like that but in this case it's richly deserved.

People need to be aware of the past history of HHF.

perhaps people should know about your history too ,,backstabbing everybody and grassing up the odd few ,,kettles and black stuff spring to mind , wont be long son ,people will know your history too

shall i sprout a few of your quotes ? hehe

just 1 of many of yours mr british hempire
I feel sorry for Shanti having to deal with the legacy of outright lies and fraud that Neville left him. Sure, Nev left him with lots of great genes but he also left him with a legacy of bullshit to cope with."

courtesy of icmag

 

[british_hempire]

perhaps people should know about your history too ,,backstabbing everybody and grassing up the odd few ,,kettles and black stuff spring to mind , wont be long son ,people will know your history too

Never backstabbed anyone and most certainly never grassed on anyone.

Quite happy for people to know my history, nothing dodgy in it.

 

[hazyfontazy]

Never backstabbed anyone and most certainly never grassed on anyone.

Quite happy for people to know my history, nothing dodgy in it.

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your the biggest back stabber of em all ..in fact i dont know anyone in the community u havent slagged off in 1 way or another ,,i dunno the words in latin but in english ,we say ,,watch out for this cunt he is full of shit and likes to tell everyone elses business ,wether he knows the truth or not ,,all his posts are copied and pasted or he just guesses at history..full of shit with so many handles its a joke

 

[hempy]

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[Smokin Moose]

And I was on his site!,

a few weeks ago?.


Brazilian Seed Company.




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[Kangativa]

Will someone please lock this thread !!!!
This is a outdoor growers section.....be nice if it just stayed that way

 

[kashrocks]

This is a outdoor growers section.....

Kanga is right,

Let's put them all outdoor...lol

Peace.

K.