Hi All
Anyway, here at MNS we have maintained our fathers and mothers based on the original seed version that were made, not flower selection plants.
If a grower has never grown a Haze plant and then buys a seed version from a particular company selling the name sake and it is their first time to see this plant, then it will be their base of the strain. However if it is not the real one in actual terms of the stories, no one will be the wiser and it will be the version associated with that strain for that grower....from then on. So even if they were given the actual real version their true version will be the one they bought and saw first making the base of the story all incorrect from that point onwards. Considering so many seed versions of so many strains exist online, it is at best confusing where to source from, but most go to what they can afford in the end.
Hope that helps show where hypothesis and facts get mixed together on all strain stories......all the best Sb
Can you please explain what the
bold black section in black above actually means Shanti?
Please use the language used the the rest of the industry around the world for decades. The pedigree notation for an F1 is obviously different from that of an F2 or F3.
Do you preserve the original cuttings used to make the strains first offered for sale in the seedbank, do you use parent plants YOU have selected from the original breeding work done by Nevil as parent stock since the original parent cuttings are lost? Or do you sell F2, F3 or greater versions of the original hybrids?
You have said in the forum in the past that you don't believe your customers could make use of that information in their own breeding and should just look at the plants your seeds produce to determine their qualities, so I don't expect you to take that request seriously.
The part in
bold blue above sounds like the description of what many people think you are selling today. Such clarity when you wrote that . . .
It is the belief of experienced veteran growers and breeders who try to work with your current product lines that you do this yourself which has created such a demand for a current supplier of genetics that live up to the quality of the originals from the 80's and 90's. Sadly most of the competition also misrepresents their gear and fail to meet those high water marks of the past.
I believe you completely misunderstood the strain description in the Ace advertisement to be an S1 of a hybrid they made, or that they made S1's of the A5 cut to sell.
Neither of those are correct, and pretty much every veteran grower on this board and others can read the Ace description and understand that is not what they did. It is endlessly confusing to me how someone with as much experience with these lines cannot answer simple direct questions with simple direct language.
By your own account you are sitting on a treasure chest of genetics from Nev's original work that could provide life changing benefits to people around the world, but because you are too busy working on CBD varieties with what I assume is more than 100 employees at your 3 US farms and other work around the world, you don't have time to work those lines and the world goes without.
I find it telling that none of those many employees are passionate enough about what is going on with cannabis around the world to tell the big boss that Ace was selling hybrids made with an old school A5 cut. You didn't even know a company named Ace Seeds existed.
The news about the Ace hybrids is half a year old and you are just finding out. Nobody told you till now? Then you read the strain description written in plain english and simply don't get it. They reversed their own Killer Malawi female to cross with the old cuts and are selling those F1s (or R1's if you prefer.)
Those hybrids were on the market months before Nevil died.
Ace has simply honored the guidelines Nevil defined right here on your forum (shared by Jack) for people who want to show respect when selling seeds made with his work.
They went out of their way to give him credit for his half of the F1 hybrid they sell, and respect the people who preserved those cuts for him in Europe all those years.
If you respected the people you sell seeds to:
- You would show us current pics of your parent plants.
- You would publish understandable pedigrees in industry standard syntax instead of confusing, intentionally vague mumbo jumbo.
- You would do open pollination seed increases of the genetics you bought from Nevil so long ago and sell them at prices that reflect the amount of work involved in producing them.
Come on Shanti.
PS: Shanti, you say making S1's is part of the production process and not part of breeding. That people who make S1s are not breeding.
Do you think genetic preservation can be part of breeding?
How can you take such a narrow view of something that has been demystified and validated as an valuable tool by most of today's most popular breeders?
