A very poor way to try and sell seeds imo?

Love the tin foil look CannaFish, really makes your eyes stand out.

Why is a forum of stoners like somebody with split personality ?

This talk of Ace seeds is indeed good for there google ratings and such, any publicity is good publicity they say.
 
alecky said:
You should take a bit of your own advise.
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Really? the fact you missed Sensi Seeds proved in that single sentence you don't know your ass from your elbow...... So why you have such confidence in anything you say is a mystery in itself.

Pipe down and crawl back into your hole. as they say > Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one.

The whole thread is blown out of proportion IMO shanti was referencing from the perspective of losing close friend which is why he said what he said. Is he right or wrong? Who's the judge.................
 
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...The whole thread is blown out of proportion IMO shanti was referencing from the perspective of losing close friend which is why he said what he said. Is he right or wrong? Who's the judge.................
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Thanks braddah Masey for making the essential point!
Perspective. A grieving, emotional man expresses his feelings of loss and gets stomped on. Instead of empathy, he gets lectured by some while others use it as an opportunity to further their own selfish understanding. Emotional midgets lacking in manners and grace. Where's the love and understanding when it is needed?

"He's not perfect. You aren't either, and the two of you will never be perfect. But if he can make you laugh at least once, causes you to think twice, and if he admits to being human and making mistakes, hold onto him and give him the most you can."
~Bob Marley

Shaka
Mu
 
I'm not inclined to wade back into this thread, other than to say I understand and respect Shanti's decision to choose a path that doesn't involve much more work with the old drug strains we know, speculate about and love. If he ever does decide to close down this forum I hope he archives it somewhere as read-only because there's a lot of really good content here.
 
i dont understand shanti's decisions but im ok with whatever he wants to do with his time.
he doesnt owe me anything, other than the same effort i would afford to any other human who likes cannabis.
if i have the ability to provide a strain to someone that no one else on earth can, then sorry but i would feel it is my duty to help.
without this mentality, the quality seed would not spread.
and we would be left with only the seed that is only good enough for others to take your money with.

all genetics are yours to do what you want with. only the greedy and corrupt wish to limit what you can have access to.

and while i like that there are haze hybrids out on the market, i do not think that those hybrids made all those years ago are the best that humanity can do with what we were given.

i grew two seeds from bagseed that had a certain quality that i later found in a single jack herer.
how is it possible that those three seeds display those traits yet i have not found it in any of the haze hybrids yet? i have seen over 20 females and still looking...
i have a hard time believing shanti has not seen this level of quality, and has not managed to capture it in a truebreeding seed line.

someone, somewhere, has made seeds that are better than anything else ive grown.
i just dont know the name, where it came from, or how i ended up with it.
and it wasnt as good when i smoked the buds, not memorable, but good enough that i saved the seeds. but when i grew those seeds...

sometimes maybe an nl5 haze doesnt turn out that great, and might have a male flower that makes a few seeds. then somebody buys a bag of weed thats just ok, but has those seeds in there.
just a guess about possibilities.
if shanti doesnt care to work with the classic drug strains, then why hoard them or talk badly about others using related genetics that are traced back to nevil?
 
Well, like I said about low post count people on these forums posting about me in particular. There are lots of douche bags that have not a clue what is going on with Cannabis. Never mind what happened back on the old school days in the 60s/70s. Or the days before that. Legalization is changing things, and fast. People are still clinging to the old paradigms. Which is typical in these historical situations. In places like Colorado and Humboldt where black market weed was big, the resistance is highest. They have the most to lose I guess. Their black markets can and will collapse.

As for "my" GMO cannabinoid producing yeast, it is not my yeast. Wish that they were. The technology is being developed at UC Berkeley. I am not a fan of anything GMO myself, and I am not selling this shit. I have posted references to it before, but here it is. Like it or not, it is the future of Cannabinoids for big pharma and likely for beverage companies and vape companies. Shoot the messenger if you must, it will not change things coming down the pipe. Key words people, are "low cost, high quality." The technology has already been developed and proven. Add water, yeast and sugar, and boom. Out pops whatever cannabinoid or terpenoid that you want. BTW: its also way greener technology than growing weed, especially compared to indoor grown weed.

https://news.berkeley.edu/2019/02/27/yeast-produce-low-cost-high-quality-cannabinoids/

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2019/feb/27/gm-yeast-brew-cannabis-beer-scientists-california
 
musashi said:
I believe most of us are aware of the shenanigans in this industry. Everyone chasing money these days and lacking in original ideas. Copycats. Unscrupulous ones at that. And who can blame you going in the direction of medical CBD products? A market currently at $8 billion here in the US, expected to grow to over $25 billion withing 5 years. The fact is medical is where it is at as many studies including Gallup are indicating that most ppl want legalization; for the CBD medical side of things not the recreation. Many are looking for alternatives to traditional medicines which are oftentimes expensive and addictive. An untapped market and a very smart business decision.
As for the PITA's on this site- insisting you give up your secret formula is akin to asking Coke for their recipe. I wouldn't be surprised if you just shut down this site and focus exclusively on the CBD side of things. Not that I want that to happen, I just don't think that I could personally put up with all the disrespect and second guessing of your efforts.
Thank you for what you do and what you have done to bring medical cannabis to the world.

Shaka
Mu
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Shantibaba has dealt with disrespectful people and second guesses since he left Greenhouse seeds. Ingumar and Arjan got a lot of people to believe their side of the story. I tend to believe Shantibaba mostly for the fact he still has male/female seeds of the strains in question.

Of course, I know nothing since I never tried Greenhouse when Shantibaba was there. I was always happy with the seeds though. :D

I'm thinking this has more to do with them claiming to have the A5 clone when Nevil himself most likely didn't have access to her, making the claims sound like complete bullshit to me. Sure Ace may have started it before his passing, but were they working on it before Nevil was diagnosed with terminal cancer? Of course, I'm not really surprised many people ride on the backs of legends, DR. Greenthumb has claimed to have Nevil's G13 cut for some time though for several years prior Doc was claiming that his G13 cut came from Double D.

Though Nevil himself said it was dead and gone. Funny thing is some of the same people who act like it's somehow impossible for Shantibaba to have his original parent stock seem to think it's plausible that clones Nevil claimed are dead and gone are still in circulation.

Now of course I would love to see Shantibaba create some new strains, maybe even play around with some of the clone onlys but at the same time I'm going to make a few crosses to this GG#4 I was gifted. :D It's not like he's going to just toss some pollen around and cash out though, plenty of "breeders" out there if that's what you're looking for. Mr. Nice has a reputation to uphold, though if I was him I'd hire someone to run large selections of plants for breeding.

We already have Arjan talking about growing thousands of plants in the Congo for breeding. Of course, I imagine it's pretty easy to get permission when you sell out to a company like Canopy Growth Corporation which is worth $36 billion dollars!! :eek:
 
This all came from a group of haze lovers that have preserved the cuts for many years.
they were kind of partners with nevil.
someone with experience had been searching for A5, while growing HPH, C5, AG13 for many years.
finally they got found the A5 again. there were multiple A5's, so not sure what this one is or which one is the mother of nevils haze, mango, diesel, etc...
I trust the people involved and their experience.
if they say it is A5 then it is A5.
for a long time they kept trying to find the A5, but when they got it it turned out to be C5.

just like shanti can find a new old g13, and use his experience to tell if it is legit or not.
these people may have more experience with haze than shanti himself.
nevil shared these plants with these other guys before shanti.

are any of you aware that shantibaba and nevil never grew any plants together?

just cause you think a cut is dead doesnt mean you know everybody that has/had it.

and one further point, nevils own views on making seed with others work.
it all ok as long as credit is given.
 
A little reminder what Nevil wrote years ago;

If you bought seeds from The Seed Bank. Say NL5 x HzC. You know that this is a Hybrid made from the Haze Brothers male line and the Northern lights female line. You know this because I didn't change the name Haze or Northern Lights. These were the names given to me when I bought the seed.
If you bought Early Pearl x Skunk#1, the same applies. As far as I'm concerned you can do whatever you want with these seeds, except change history. If you want to inbreed Nl5Hz and put F2 seeds on the market, why not you paid for them. You didn't by Chi P variabilis and call it NL5Hz, you paid full price. If are saying that you have bought Seed Bank seed and tell the truth about the ancestry and what you have done (F2), I don't have a problem with you. If you made a 4 way with the EPxSK1 and produce excellent hybrids well the same applies. You may in effect be doing advertising for me or you might get doing what people thought I should have done or people might think that the SK1 one was the biggest influence and chase that up in the future. It's all out there and people can draw there own conclusions. But if you say that you have developed these strains from your own collection, then you're a liar and a cheat.
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There's doubt with the cut, no matter what you think of people involved.. 30 years later, , "found" yay, yeah bullshit but lol... They riding off his name and some bullshit to sell their seeds.. how could anyone ever know if its honestly the original, no matter whos involved, except nevil himself (and I'd even question that, seeing it 30 years later from another environment) .. knowing of the people involved and their knowledge, I'd imagine it to be killer, don't change the fact though..'we'd all been looking for it past 30years and wouldn't you believe it, last place we look, mislabelled and there she is' LMFAO.. never grown out that mislabelled in last30 lol
 
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This all came from a group of haze lovers that have preserved the cuts for many years.
they were kind of partners with nevil.
someone with experience had been searching for A5, while growing HPH, C5, AG13 for many years.
finally they got found the A5 again. there were multiple A5's, so not sure what this one is or which one is the mother of nevils haze, mango, diesel, etc...
I trust the people involved and their experience.
if they say it is A5 then it is A5.
for a long time they kept trying to find the A5, but when they got it it turned out to be C5.

just like shanti can find a new old g13, and use his experience to tell if it is legit or not.
these people may have more experience with haze than shanti himself.
nevil shared these plants with these other guys before shanti.

are any of you aware that shantibaba and nevil never grew any plants together?

just cause you think a cut is dead doesnt mean you know everybody that has/had it.

and one further point, nevils own views on making seed with others work.
it all ok as long as credit is given.
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Sounds like a bunch of bullshit to me. Who here can tell me an exact description of the A5 cut? Something tells me I can find something just as good maybe even better from seed and really charge $5k for a cut if I could trick a breeder. Lol, though if this breeder tricks the people they can make a lot more than $5K.

Really good chance they just have a really nice Neville's Haze plant. Of course, I don't doubt one could find/create a better Haze like variety than Neville's Haze

Shantibaba was honest about G13 and he has also said he just got seeds from Nevil and did all selections himself because Nevil lived in Australia. They were definitely friends and he gave Nevil credit.

I certainly don't care if people make seeds with others work, I'm guilty of that too. :D Just give credit where credit is due and don't lie about the genetics!! Of course many in the seed industry will lie for a quick buck. I certainly don't believe for a second someone just barely found a 35+ year old clone in their grandmother's basement. I was born during the day but it wasn't yesterday.
 
you are quite mistaken on how the cut came back into possession of certain people.
its kind of funny the suppositions you make to try to discredit the possiblity that someone who was out of connection with the group got back in touch and shared something with them.

same thing with g13.
shanti thought it was dead.
nevil thought it was dead.
i said thats not a sure thing.
and what do you know, here it is again.
if it is it.

dna will tell the truth eventually.
we will be able to find out if nevilles haze and the A5 are related and how.
it will be funny to look back at this thread when that information becomes available.
 
That's the whole point mate.. could might (words of doubt) well be but untill can be proven, bullshit, names and Nevils name is what's being used to make sales.. they should have used a disclaimer for breeding; it's our beliefs, others will have different opinions but all will come to the same conclusion, it's killer..or something to that effect..
 
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you are quite mistaken on how the cut came back into possession of certain people.
its kind of funny the suppositions you make to try to discredit the possiblity that someone who was out of connection with the group got back in touch and shared something with them.

same thing with g13.
shanti thought it was dead.
nevil thought it was dead.
i said thats not a sure thing.
and what do you know, here it is again.
if it is it.

dna will tell the truth eventually.
we will be able to find out if nevilles haze and the A5 are related and how.
it will be funny to look back at this thread when that information becomes available.
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Well we'll be looking forward to hearing the DNA tests. Though how are you going to prove it's the original when we don't have DNA from it when Nevil held it?

Same with G13? Is there really nothing better than G13 these days? I could make a cross of G13 skunk to GG#4 find a nice mom and it will be better than anything you'll get from Dr. Greenthumb. Who's to say I don't have the G13? I can even stall the critics with talks of DNA testing in the future. :D
 
well i just figure you could test NH, and then test any "A5" cut, and find out if there is a direct relation ie mother or aunt.

you guys are really funny.

i guess every strain should come with the disclaimer that is is our belief ... yada yada.
cause you dont have any more verifiable info about any cannabis plant.
it is all what someone told you it was.

instead of looking at it like they are trying to use nevils name to make it sound good,
why cant you see it from the other perspective where they are giving credit to nevil, and that is why that cross may be as killer as it may be? because nevils work was used.

i dont thing haze A is all that good anyways, otherwise why isnt there more strains with larger proportions of it?

the only thing that i think i know is that Haze C may carry what im looking for. there was no haze A involved in what i saw(jack herer), again thats if what i think i know is true based on information from nevil and shanti.
 
another thing to bring up is provenance.

ace has nothing to do with where this cut was sourced.
they just used it to make a cross.
it was sourced from those haze guys that worked with nevil.
what more do you need?
they have haze hybrids that shanti doesnt even have, worked with nevil before shanti, so what horses mouth do the magic words have to come from for you to believe it?

really need to decide whether you are upset they are using nevils name or nevils genetics.
either one is ok as long as it is the truth.
 
No, Ace Is Not The Place

jack hairy said:
...instead of looking at it like they are trying to use nevils name to make it sound good,
why cant you see it from the other perspective where they are giving credit to nevil, and that is why that cross may be as killer as it may be? because nevils work was used.
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Anyone who understands marketing can see right through this magical thinking. Ace has a history of over promising.

Shaka
Mu
 
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