hi all
hi Chana ,
great thread and documentation of your grow, the plants look really beautiful
I 'm sure you will find something worthwhile to keep for a long time
cant wait to see how they will explode in the next weeks. They seem they will yield great too.
thanks for the updates
On the Northern Lights.
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1984 - Nev gets NL1-8 seeds from the US. From the NL5 seeds he finds only a unique plant , his NL5 female clone. This is the 84 Holland NL5 cut.
1986 - Couple years after getting the NL5 seeds, Nev travels back to the US to pick up the 'US NL5 clone'. According to him the US clone was not as good as his own Holland NL5 clone..
2007 - Shanti did a 'new NL5 selection' using 1988 seedstock from Nevil.
I believe these seeds were made by Nev with his NL5 Holland clone and Ruderalis male..and were at F4 stage as Batman said based on info from Shanti.
So there basically are 3 NL5 clones , the US NL5 clone , Nev's Holland '84 NL5(daughter of US NL5) and the new NL5 selection from Shanti , from Nev's seeds he made after working with the Holland NL5 clone and Ruderalis male.
shantibaba over icmag said:
"...
Thought you may like to know I have just germinated
some stock seed from 1988 where the original Northern lights 5 originated from...and got an excellent germination rate to date about 55 germinated from 80 seeds after 2 days.
Here is hoping we can find something of interest for you all....take care all the best Sb"
From:
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=1137196&postcount=24
The NL 1-8 were seed lines and most were hybrids. A couple of years after getting the seed, I went to the U.S. to get the U.S. NL5 cutting. It didn't turn out to be as good or even that similar to my NL5.
When I first got the NL varieties, there were 8 types, 1-8.They came with descriptions, which I published in my catalogue. These descriptions may not correlate with what later developed. The original intention was to purchase seeds from the US NL growers. It didn't work out and supply dried up. I kept the lines separate and inbred them. NL1 and NL2 stabilised into distinct types and NL5 only produced one unique individual.
....."
Hi Nev
So if the original NL5 wasn't that great, where did yours come from? Did you have some NL5 seeds and picked the best plant from those?
Mine were from that plant (US NL5) and all of the brothers and sisters seemed typical of the line, except one. I expect it was a throwback. It's hard to glean information about breeding from underground sources, but I can assure you that I've spent a lot of time analysing the results of the original NL lines. My NL5 seemed to have characteristics of NL2 and NL1, but had completely dropped any Thai influence from the mother. If you have bred enough plants containing indica, you will have seen some of these throwback indicas. They are not all great, but the short indica like 8 week anomaly will pop up.
N.
Nev did mention that his Holland NL5 female clone seemed to have characteristics of NL2 and NL1 but father is unknown really. The mother is the US NL5 clone but the father was uknown according to Nev, thats why he used an X at the Holland NL5 clone father's side , in his Pedigree for NH in the Grail chart he had posted.He didn't know what exact male the US NL growers used.
Something interesting is that Nev mentioned in his NH pedigree he used in his Grail chart the Holland NL5 clone he found dates back to
1984 :
https://www.mrnice.nl/forum/58203-post141.html
But Shanti said the seedstock the original NL5 originated from were from
1988..
When I had first read Shanti's post I believed both Nev and Shanti here refer to the original NL5 Nev had found in Holland(daughter of US NL5 clone).So was bit confused with the different 84 and 88 dates..
But after seeing what Batman posted , that the NL5 female Nev used in the NL5HzC were at F4 stage, I believe the '88 stock is the NL5 with rudy that Nev had made:
Is it true that the NL5 x Haze C seedlot was at F4?
i got the information from shantibaba
Nev had said he kept the NL1-8 lines separately and inbred them also..But that was not the case with NL5 as it produced only one good plant. Same info bellow:
I did a series of back crosses with NL5, HP and G13. I did this because I didn't have siblings to use. NL5 was a sport. The brothers couldn't deliver.
I used a Ruderalis for the NL5, picking the male carrying the R factor, which gave pollen at the fourth internode. Four generations a year. The 5th generation, ulimately was the best. I should have gone brother to sister at that point, but I thought it would continue to get better. I went to 8 backcrosses. What I learned was that after gen 4, the results were more dependant on the individual male, than the number of back crosses.
I used NL1 males for the HP and NL2 males for the G13. None of the back crosses ever produced a plant as good as the mother, although the NL5 came closest. Vigour was lost in all cases.
N.
Nev worked with his Holland NL5 '84 clone that he had found in his NL5 seeds he got from the US, and worked it with Rudy and imo considering Batmans info the '88 stock shantibaba germinated, are these and at F4 stage. Afterall if Shanti had germinated the US seedstock that Nev found his NL5 Holland clone , the seedstock would be labeled '84 and not '88..
Plus this makes more sense and the results from that 88 F4 NL5 stock from Nev should produce plants closer to the mother, the Holland NL5 clone Nev found in his US NL5 seeds..especially considering the fact that the NL5 clone Nev had found was a unique pheno and not typical plant from those US NL5 seeds. So I believe that all info so far shows the stock Shanti used for his new NL5 selection was different than the seed stock(from USA) that Nev had initially used to find the original NL5 Holland 84 clone in. I believe Batman is right and that the new NL5 coming from the work Nev did with his clone and a Rudy male..Considering Nevs work and skills I expect the results from the new NL5 from the selection Shanti did should be quite close to the NL5 Holland clone mum..making the new NL5HzC the closest thing to the NL5HzCof the 90s Nev used to offer through the SeedBank and Sensi..
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