2010 - G13 x Haze

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the addition of skunk only adds to the bud structure mr. nevil?
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You included the word only Mr Biteme and that's not what I said. Another characteristic is an 8 week flowering period. If you are looking for strong stems, NL1 was king, but in general the NL lines had the best stems I've seen. G13 wasn't a strong plant either.
The reason we make hybrids is for the extra vigour and the possibility of stacking useful traits.
 
Hey Nevil,

Do you think the G-13 x Skunk improved the flavor of the G-13? I never smoked your G13xSk so I do not know how it tastes. IMO "pure" G-13 tasted pretty "grassy." The "pure" G-13 was a MAJOR headache to trim also, VERY leafy. There was alot of room for improving the characteristics of that plant IMO, but it had a strong indica stone and good yields (of alot of leaf :)).

KB 8)_~
 
Chana Masala said:
Hi HHG,

I think if you are looking for an MNS super skunk strain, I believe you have it with the G-13xSkunk offering. Maybe could also trying something with Shanti's Master Kush in it.
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I've grown Master Kaze (MasterKush/Skunk x Afghan/Haze) but all the phenos were more on the sativa side. I want to try MasterKush/Skunk.
 
HHHG said:
I've grown Master Kaze (MasterKush/Skunk x Afghan/Haze) but all the phenos were more on the sativa side. I want to try MasterKush/Skunk.
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Hi HHHG,

Good call, that would also be a great candidate for a super skunk.

I really wish I could get straight Master Kush without the cross from SB. I think that would remind many of us of the early 90's... I think it is a good hash plant.

CM
 
Chana Masala said:
Bon soir mon aime, nice to meet you as well Mastertrooper...

Really cool for you to do the link for me. I honestly did not know how to do that. I might just put it in my signature line. Merci beaucoup. Do you think I have enough haze now... lol!

Seems like we have some cultivars in common. Are you running anything currently.

See you around the boards...

Chana
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That was my thought You need those links in your signature mon ami ...

Yeah straight Master Kush from Shanti will be nice!!

For My grow room is now close because some bad luck this year!
But still got a few strains like 30 plants from seeds that a manage to save!!
Now they suffer a little because low intensity light and space!
they are around 3 months old... a will clone them later and run some grow test!

I looking forward to reorganized my setup!!
I have 5 JH from SS and 3 Grapefruit Kush from NG! that I will test
Also 6 Chocolope I hear bad thing but now it too late!
A lot of other strains that was give to me! some silver, widow, HP,
and some freeB from attitude.

Ready to find the keeper! Test time...

Before I run some Shanti Gears! And my Shanti selection list is to long...

See you around! Love your selection hazy crazy!
Take care Bro!

MT
 
this hybrid has me highly fascinated as the G13/SkxHzC is on paper similar to many other MNS offerings...the parallel between this line and the AfghanHaze has me quite intrigued...the G13xHz is basically Afg/SkxHzC so it seems strikingly similar to the genetic make up of the SSH which contains NL5/HzCxSk/HzC...all the lines have similar pedigrees in terms of all containing Afghan genetics, Sk genetics and Hz genetics at variously different ratios...i'd love to see this strain side by side with the AfghanHaze and a good comparison of the two in terms of smoke, Shanti said in a pm that G13xHz was a 9-11weeker and the AH is 10wks from flower onset...i'm keeping a close eye on this as i chose the NL5xHz offering and wish i added a pack of the G13/SkxHz but i got 3packs of NL5xHz coming so things should get interesting...this is the year of the recreation of the Classic Haze hybrids that have short flowering times and i've never tried the NL5xHz before!
 
i believe the plant being discussed in this thread is the same as you speak of mr.sbd420 and my apologies mr. nevil on my use of "only" as there was no intention of putting words into your mouth. but something told me there had to be some other advantage to the use skunk which you pointed out in the 8 week finishing time, the same as g13.

along this same line of thought i would like to pose a question on the use of skunk in making hybrids. generally speaking, isn't the 10 week skunk most commonly used in breeding projects? or am i imagining this? i have never intentionally tried to breed or make a seed but i do enjoy the read every now and then. peace-biteme
 
I was just reading a grow report on Shanti's early skunk which I believe came from your early lines... is this supposed to be a ruderlis union. The grower unfortunately pulled a 10 week pheno but nonetheless seemed content.

Island Sweet Skunk and, again cheese like the 9 to 10 weeks. ISS being sat dom and the cheese, who knows? Both what I would consider, in my limited experience AAA smoke. Good point bite me.

You guys got me thinking time to do some diligence with regard to the origins of skunk and what can be still found today from it. But in the back of my mind I hear Nevil saying the mites are coming, the mites are coming...

CM
 
I was just reading a grow report on Shanti's early skunk which I believe came from your early lines... is this supposed to be a ruderlis union.
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It's not ruderalis, but it is from the EP line that produced plants that flowered under 24 hours light. I thought that that was a pretty special achievement, it only took me 20 years. The skunks were from my most developed SK line. I crossed the EP.SK to NL5Hz1 and to NL5122. Early Queen. That 4 way produced some amazing plants. Now and again you'd get a full on Haze effect, Sk1 bud structure, earlyness and that Oaxacan like fragrant zing from the EP and the resin and weight from the NL5. All that and hybrid vigour too. I wouldn't mind growing a good one in Kanga's back yard. I'd show you some yields.
N.
 
Nevil said:
Now and again you'd get a full on Haze effect, Sk1 bud structure, earlyness and that Oaxacan like fragrant zing from the EP and the resin and weight from the NL5. All that and hybrid vigour too.
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Wow, that sounds like an amazing plant Nevil. I always loved the EP's special "fragrant zing".
 
never had the pleasure of running early pearl but comments on the amazing array of phenos once found in that line are nearly identical to what shanti has posted about early queen and her progeny. another contribution from the early skunk. as i posted earlier, when it comes to skunk one of the first things to mind is 10 weeks flowering time and past years have blessed me with phenos that went 12 weeks or more. in spite of skunk being a cornerstone of sorts, part of the very foundation from where mj genetics evolved, my relationship with this one has been rocky at best but we all know she can shine in hybrids. peace-biteme
 
Nevil said:
It's not ruderalis, but it is from the EP line that produced plants that flowered under 24 hours light. I thought that that was a pretty special achievement, it only took me 20 years. The skunks were from my most developed SK line. I crossed the EP.SK to NL5Hz1 and to NL5122. Early Queen. That 4 way produced some amazing plants. Now and again you'd get a full on Haze effect, Sk1 bud structure, earlyness and that Oaxacan like fragrant zing from the EP and the resin and weight from the NL5. All that and hybrid vigour too. I wouldn't mind growing a good one in Kanga's back yard. I'd show you some yields.
N.
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Sounds like Shanti took your hit song Early Queen and turned into a musical called Critical Haze. I pulled an amazing Skunk pheno from it. Smells like pee, smokes like haze, grows like Super Skunk. Ready in 9 to 10 weeks... I am starting to understand now. At least skunk phenology.

Early Queen is a 4 way of EP,SK,NL and Haze? I just checked my seed list and you are offering Early Queen for 45 euro. What the??? Such a classic is available in pure form!?!? Add it to my list please.

Early Pearl for bud structure, durability and cut down on flower time... that is something I am interested to try, but I am not sure where to look for EP at MNS. I know your old seed co has it listed for 55 euro though. What does she smoke like? High? How long can EP veg before the ruderlis kicks in? One of the reasons I dont enjoy auto-flower indoors as I cant get the yield up with regard to vegging it big enough before I put her to bloom.

I think SB is offering EPSk x Haze C. Anything in a purer EP form to your knowledge? Or should we be looking for a release in the future...

CM
 
A Silver Pearl x Early Pearl hybrid a friend made in the mid 90's (94-96) was one plant that could withstand the 90-100% humidity in the N.East without developing PM or budrot. One of the only other plants capable of withstanding those horible conditions was the "Red Devil" made by Shanti.

Kb 8)_~
 
Early Pearl didn't improve bud structure, but it did resist mould in humid conditions. EP wasn't the complete plant. To make rapid progress in breeding, you need to limit the selection criteria. Smell, early flowering and mould resistance, were the priorities. EP loves Skunk. They complimented each other. The EP.SK crossed well with NL5 (silver pearl). I didn't like EPxHzC or EPxNL5. Early Queen is a good example of how to build a hybrid, stacking as many good traits in to one plant as you can.
N.
 
Glad i got some Early Queens! The "stacking" as you put it Nevil is eye opening to me. Sometimes you have to throw all that complicated terminology out the window to acheive that Ah-hah! moment.
 
Nevil said:
Early Pearl didn't improve bud structure, but it did resist mould in humid conditions. EP wasn't the complete plant. To make rapid progress in breeding, you need to limit the selection criteria. Smell, early flowering and mould resistance, were the priorities. EP loves Skunk. They complimented each other. The EP.SK crossed well with NL5 (silver pearl). I didn't like EPxHzC or EPxNL5. Early Queen is a good example of how to build a hybrid, stacking as many good traits in to one plant as you can.
N.
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Nevil do you feel open pollinations are a waste of time generally? In other words do you ever make open pollinated F2's to select from later? Or do you select the strongest specimens right from the starting point? Just curious about this cause I definitely do not have a clear answer for myself or others on whether this is a good practice anymore.

Yeah the EP x SP was VERY frosty, tasty, and strong medicine with amazing resistance to the worst conditions. Indoors or out personally I favored the EP x SP to either of the parents alone. It was a real nice plant, I miss her now.

That's probably why I loved the old sensi four way (94? vintage) SOOOO much to, was the stacking of good traits. I don't remember the plants that made that variety. I know the seeds came from Sensi though. (93-95?) Was that made by you Nevil? If not, whoever did it did pretty good on that one too. That was one frosty, fruity, strong, stoney bud.

Done Reminiscing,

KB 8)_~~
 
Nevil said:
"I crossed the EP.SK to NL5Hz1 and to NL5122. Early Queen. That 4 way produced some amazing plants."
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This does seem confusing. Are you saying this is the makeup of EQ, Nevil?

Doesn't it have an early california indica in it called Early Girl?
 
and it can be confusing mr. wonkadonk, personally i have trouble wrapping my pea brain around how all this works. it's easy to grasp the concept of stacking desirable traits into one plant which is the goal of hybrid breeding but it is the next step where i get lost, namely selection of plants that pass those traits on as well as the sex of each that should be used. and am i correct in the assumption that the only means of discovering these traits passed on is through trial and error, actually watching results of other attempts? or are there other paths? peace-biteme
 
Agape's Fruit, I type this with my 5 year old beside me...

If I am understanding correctly, EP is one of the first haze or sat dom hybrids, and EG was one of the fist Indica Hybrids. [EDIT: or at least one of the first commercially available]

I would love to try EP or EG, neat and see just how much has changed from the 80's hybrid to our modern day hybrids... coming from your ealy post Nevil, as I take it that most of what is around today, at least the AAA is from your stock and a few other breeders, and mostly being created in the late 80's and early 90's.

Which leads me to another thought which is are modern day hybrids more potent than yester' years stock or are there more factors, i.e. like more seed co's and more popularity with cannbis that makes it what it is today?

When does NL1 or NL5 coming into the picture N? Is it before the EP, EG or is NL in the EP or EG.

CM
 
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