kashrocks
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Is Orange Bud related to California Orange?
1985 seed bank catalog
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Is Orange Bud related to California Orange?
B
british_hempire
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Did it appear to be a hybrid of a few Afghanis when you got it Nev? Sam in his 85 catalogue lists it as a indica x sativa f2 hybrid, maybe Sam crossed the seed he got from Jerry B's wife to a sativa? It doesn't make sense to me that the Orange Sam had is an f2 indi-sat hybrid when Jerry B wrote he bred it from Afghanis and worked it many generations.
B
british_hempire
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Same thing. I've grown two or three versions of Orange Bud/Cali-O from Dutch banks and never found one that was really orangey. I had a Black Domina that was very orangey and a Nepali/African that was like orange liquer but never a orangey Orange Bud, go figure. I thought it was probably because the Dutch had crossed it to a skunk to improve the yield cos it always yielded good but from what Nev says it was probably never that orangey.
B
british_hempire
Guest
Well spotted man!
I'll have to get a copy of his book on Hawaii, I enjoyed The Bandit of Kabul a lot.
Nevil
Breeder
Orange and Indisat were F1s he got from somebody else. He did what most new breeders do and that's make f2s. The Indisat was a better smoke at first. The SA he describes as medium strength and the EG medium yield, that's being too kind. Only the Haze and Skunk were of any long term consequence.
He gave me one of those catalogues, turn it over and read the terms and conditions on the back.
N.
He gave me one of those catalogues, turn it over and read the terms and conditions on the back.
N.
kashrocks
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Yes I know one can hear a lot of stories... but that does not make them necessarely true..
Peace.
K.
Smokin Moose
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Well spotted man!
I'll have to get a copy of his book on Hawaii, I enjoyed The Bandit of Kabul a lot.
Did you know that Jerry B's now writing for Treating Yourself Magazine? See page 41 here
B
british_hempire
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This is the back, which bit were you referring to?
Wonder why he would send the catalogue anywhere when he would only send the seeds in Holland? Don't see what use the catalogue is to anyone if they can't buy the seeds without going to Holland.
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joaquin386
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I think Nevil was on Ironic Mode B_H (the way he told Nevil about the seed usage)
Nevil
Breeder
What, do you mean to tell me that the only condition stipulated was that the order had to be above $50 and that Cultivators choice was proud to offer these seeds to anyone who could appreciate them in 1985?
You'd think that someone with such a limited market and a budget that could only promise a coloured catalogue, would have been happy with such a good customer as myself and believe me, he was. The sour grapes only came in when I clearly outclassed him (what's the mirror telling you now Sam?).
N.
You'd think that someone with such a limited market and a budget that could only promise a coloured catalogue, would have been happy with such a good customer as myself and believe me, he was. The sour grapes only came in when I clearly outclassed him (what's the mirror telling you now Sam?).
N.
Smokin Moose
New member
Man In The Mirror
I'm Starting With The Man In
The Mirror
I'm Asking Him To Change
His Ways
And No Message Could Have
Been Any Clearer
If You Wanna Make The World
A Better Place
(If You Wanna Make The
World A Better Place)
Take A Look At Yourself, And
Then Make A Change
(Take A Look At Yourself, And
Then Make A Change)
(Na Na Na, Na Na Na, Na Na,
Na Nah)
Time to come clean Sam lol -
B
british_hempire
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I get the point now, he said nothing about not breeding with his strains. Like you've said before, once someone buys seeds they own them and can do as they please and as long as they give credit where it's due and are honest about what seeds they used then it's all good.
If Sam was a true lover of the plant surely he would have been happy that someone else was able to take his input an use it to breed a load of new and quality strains? Seems to me ego and money are more important to him.
kashrocks
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Elmer Bud
Banned
G`day BH
I was surfin today when I saw this lil response from Mr watson to a post by Shanti .
Originally Posted by Sam_Skunkman
I just read this and while I respect Shanti in many cases in this article he is just plain wrong. ( if Shanti really wrote it?)
"Haze brothers worked on the Haze’s and they did get to Sam and Nevil(owner of THE SEEDBANK…and then Ben Dronkers retailed Nevils strains under the label of SENSI SEEDBANK after Nevil had some jail time in Australia .Nevil was the first Seed Bank or company to exist in Holland so his legendary strains such as Northern lights 5, Ultra skunk , Nl5 Haze, Early pearl , Early girl, Shiva Skunk….and so on became the basis for a lot of offspring seed companies that followed in the 90s."
The Haze Bros were my next door neighbors in Santa Cruz in the 70's, I am still in close contact. I have asked them both about Neville and neither has ever met him or supplied him with Original Haze seeds. I started Sacred Seeds 9 years earlier then Neville, and when I met Neville he promised me not to knock-off my seeds if he could buy them, I said it's fine if you make hybrids with my varieties if the other parent was not my variety.
At the time he was selling imported bag seeds from coffee shops at .25 a pop. And trying to grow but with little success, Neville within one year or two was knocking off all my varieties that I brought to him, indoors under lights, like Skunk #1 Original Haze, Early Girl, Early Pearl, and a whole lot more, none were originally bred by Neville, even Northern Lights was bred by someone in Washington state, not Neville. The varieties listed did become the basis for Neville and as stated none were originally bred by Neville.
"Sam and Nevil use to work a bit on strains together"
I never worked with Neville to develop any thing, I did not really trust him. And I was right. He lied to get what he wanted and then ran with the ball.
"but when it was revealed that Sam and his crew of Americans in Holland all were part of informants for the DEA in America on a radio program in Holland they split to the UK to do other things.
I never split to the UK I have lived in the same house in Amsterdam for the last 25 years. As for me being an informer for the DEA, either show me proof, please list a single person I ever informed on or just shut up, you are being used by Neville to cover his own misdeeds. I have never helped any police, period.[/B]
But like being accused of being a chid molester it is a charge that causes some people to lose all common sense and just lash out at the accused guilty or not.
"Sam never started or owned a seed company so his claim to all the strains that became famous years ago are not really warranted. He did however do a lot of work on Skunk and shared some seed with Nevil, but as you know for breeding you cannot just take any plant and make a strain like Greenhouse does nowadays."
I never started or owned any seed company? What a fucking joke, I started the worlds first seed company Sacred Seeds, in California in 1976. I still have all the original packages and seed catalogs from then. Yeah I did a little work with Skunk #1, like creating it from scratch, a stable hybrid of Indica and Sativa that breed true.
And I did not share seed with Neville, I sold it to him, with a promise from Neville that he would not knock off my varieties, which he did almost immediately.
To give Neville his due he did start selling seeds and posting seeds to anyone anywhere, something I was afraid to do because of my fear of the American justice system, that did catch Neville.
"When I came to Holland in 1990 with my seed stock I linked up with Nevil "
And this is why you have no idea what happened before 1990.
Neville also sold all my varieties like Skunk #1, Original Haze, and another dozen of my varieties that I developed or helped develop and had permission from the breeders to run with like the Original Haze, to Ben Dronkers of Sinsi Seeds, for a reported million, including Cannabis Castle.
About the only thing that Shanti and I agree on is feminized seed, I don't like it and have never sold one. As for all the rest, Shanti was not there and is getting his truth from Neville, whom I know is a liar, cheat and thief. I was there and am speaking the truth. I have no ax to grind, to me it is all just water under the bridge, but I don't like people spouting revisionist history like it was gospel truth. Shanti maybe you need to stick to after 1990 when you showed up on the scene, then I believe what you have to say, but brother you have zero idea of the real truth of what happened between me and Neville as only me Neville and RCC were there.
I though you liked and believed RCC, ask him.
I don't blame Shanti that much Neville is a slippery guy that has fooled a lot of people in the past, me, Ben, Shanti and a whole lot of others.
The best way to remember him is as the first to ship seeds anywhere in the world for that even I liked him, as I was too chicken or too smart to do so.
-SamS
I`ll leave it up yo individuals to filter this info as they choose ....
Thanks for sharin
Elmer Bud
I was surfin today when I saw this lil response from Mr watson to a post by Shanti .
Originally Posted by Sam_Skunkman
I just read this and while I respect Shanti in many cases in this article he is just plain wrong. ( if Shanti really wrote it?)
"Haze brothers worked on the Haze’s and they did get to Sam and Nevil(owner of THE SEEDBANK…and then Ben Dronkers retailed Nevils strains under the label of SENSI SEEDBANK after Nevil had some jail time in Australia .Nevil was the first Seed Bank or company to exist in Holland so his legendary strains such as Northern lights 5, Ultra skunk , Nl5 Haze, Early pearl , Early girl, Shiva Skunk….and so on became the basis for a lot of offspring seed companies that followed in the 90s."
The Haze Bros were my next door neighbors in Santa Cruz in the 70's, I am still in close contact. I have asked them both about Neville and neither has ever met him or supplied him with Original Haze seeds. I started Sacred Seeds 9 years earlier then Neville, and when I met Neville he promised me not to knock-off my seeds if he could buy them, I said it's fine if you make hybrids with my varieties if the other parent was not my variety.
At the time he was selling imported bag seeds from coffee shops at .25 a pop. And trying to grow but with little success, Neville within one year or two was knocking off all my varieties that I brought to him, indoors under lights, like Skunk #1 Original Haze, Early Girl, Early Pearl, and a whole lot more, none were originally bred by Neville, even Northern Lights was bred by someone in Washington state, not Neville. The varieties listed did become the basis for Neville and as stated none were originally bred by Neville.
"Sam and Nevil use to work a bit on strains together"
I never worked with Neville to develop any thing, I did not really trust him. And I was right. He lied to get what he wanted and then ran with the ball.
"but when it was revealed that Sam and his crew of Americans in Holland all were part of informants for the DEA in America on a radio program in Holland they split to the UK to do other things.
I never split to the UK I have lived in the same house in Amsterdam for the last 25 years. As for me being an informer for the DEA, either show me proof, please list a single person I ever informed on or just shut up, you are being used by Neville to cover his own misdeeds. I have never helped any police, period.[/B]
But like being accused of being a chid molester it is a charge that causes some people to lose all common sense and just lash out at the accused guilty or not.
"Sam never started or owned a seed company so his claim to all the strains that became famous years ago are not really warranted. He did however do a lot of work on Skunk and shared some seed with Nevil, but as you know for breeding you cannot just take any plant and make a strain like Greenhouse does nowadays."
I never started or owned any seed company? What a fucking joke, I started the worlds first seed company Sacred Seeds, in California in 1976. I still have all the original packages and seed catalogs from then. Yeah I did a little work with Skunk #1, like creating it from scratch, a stable hybrid of Indica and Sativa that breed true.
And I did not share seed with Neville, I sold it to him, with a promise from Neville that he would not knock off my varieties, which he did almost immediately.
To give Neville his due he did start selling seeds and posting seeds to anyone anywhere, something I was afraid to do because of my fear of the American justice system, that did catch Neville.
"When I came to Holland in 1990 with my seed stock I linked up with Nevil "
And this is why you have no idea what happened before 1990.
Neville also sold all my varieties like Skunk #1, Original Haze, and another dozen of my varieties that I developed or helped develop and had permission from the breeders to run with like the Original Haze, to Ben Dronkers of Sinsi Seeds, for a reported million, including Cannabis Castle.
About the only thing that Shanti and I agree on is feminized seed, I don't like it and have never sold one. As for all the rest, Shanti was not there and is getting his truth from Neville, whom I know is a liar, cheat and thief. I was there and am speaking the truth. I have no ax to grind, to me it is all just water under the bridge, but I don't like people spouting revisionist history like it was gospel truth. Shanti maybe you need to stick to after 1990 when you showed up on the scene, then I believe what you have to say, but brother you have zero idea of the real truth of what happened between me and Neville as only me Neville and RCC were there.
I though you liked and believed RCC, ask him.
I don't blame Shanti that much Neville is a slippery guy that has fooled a lot of people in the past, me, Ben, Shanti and a whole lot of others.
The best way to remember him is as the first to ship seeds anywhere in the world for that even I liked him, as I was too chicken or too smart to do so.
-SamS
I`ll leave it up yo individuals to filter this info as they choose ....
Thanks for sharin
Elmer Bud
ortega_seeker
Active member
Who was Peter Stafford? Never heard of this guy before this thread.
lol.. on all the "reversed names" btw!! wierd.
lol.. on all the "reversed names" btw!! wierd.