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[FONT="]Originally Posted by british_hempire [/FONT]
[FONT="]Jesse, just drop it now, you're not making yourself look very clever here mate.[/FONT]
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This is a perfect example of what Ive already mentioned in this thread, people that for whatever reason have a stake in misleading others. Im offering anyone who reads this thread the entire picture, instead of a very limited one like the one you present British Hempire. And the only thing you can tell me is that Im wrong? Im not doing myself any favors, by making sure others have the complete picture? Now thats funny British Hempire, that you would want to limit the amount of information available too anyone who may be reading this thread.
Now take a good look at how many different Cheese plants have been posted in this thread, now do you have an explanation for that? It doesnt really need to be explained, the answer is fairly obvious.
The picture presented is the Original Cheese picture, first posted on Overgrow all these years ago now. Ive got no reason to mislead anyone, I only started this thread to help others make up their own minds. And its painfully obvious to anyone who reads this in the future that there are quite a few people who have different clones, all called UK Cheese. None of which look like the original. And every last one of you guys who have a UK Cheese clone, think you have the original. It doesnt seem to phase you in the least bit if your "real UK Cheese" looks different than Johnny down the streets UK Cheese.
Now if you dont like the fact Im presenting the entire picture for people, instead of your mess of fairy tales then ask yourself why is it you have a problem with the truth?[/FONT]
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Hi all,
Above is a small excerpt from this thread, vintage 2009. In a perfect example of just how easily we, the consumers, can be mislead, we see British Hempire above interjecting as if he is just another poster. Like you, or I...however who at the time suspected British Hempire may in fact be Big Buddha? Who, according to the description below, is among the first to offer Cheese in seed form? The guy selling the seeds is perpetuating the lie, to put more money in his pocket, by taking it out of yours! By offering you a bullshit product and using fake alias’s to convince you that your money should go to him?
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In a perfect and crystal clear example of why you should be very critical of anything you read on the internet, you have the seller of Cheese himself pretending to be an ordinary poster with no stake in the matter conveniently taking a position which is to the benefit of his seed sales. Attempting to cloud the overall body of information, and larger picture, with trolling designed to swing the direction of the thread away from the truth. Its original intent in the first place.
Had it not been discovered that British Hempire was in fact Big Buddha, how many of you would have given his opinion a little bit of respect? But how about now that you find out the seller of the seed, is wearing a mask and trolling the forum in order to make his company and product look better? That seem's a little shady to me, to say the least. What exactly is there to hide, that it is necassary to hide behind alias's and mislead your customers? Does this sound like the cornerstore of a legitimate seed company to you? Now how many other companies do the same thing, on forums just like this one and others, propping the seeds up under the guise of being an ordinary, independent poster? With the nature of the internet, who is behind the post you're reading can be anyone or anything. And all too often their only goal is to take your money. Not to give you a legitimate product based on a quality, tried and true product.
British Hempire is a member who has few, if any, documented grows who has been caught using a number of alias's in the past designed to perpetuate his cause. A member who has trolled me religiously for years,
(Example 1) and god knows how many other handles he has and has used to do the same?
Stoner-Gate is a term I coined when British Hempire was caught red handed at Icmag.com using alias handles, in order to attack hempy and defend his and others stance of pro feminization. At a website that makes huge money off of the feminized seed scam, there were numerous posters who all attacked hempy viciously, as he bravely stood up for what he believed to be wrong in feminized seeds, and ultimately hempy left the site due to their mess. And our beloved British Hempire was using fake forum names there, and here, to perpetuate his cause by deceiving others.
If you want to use seed from someone who has not even proven they can grow a plant from seed to harvest, be my guest. We are talking about a member who has lied to the community about being a trained journalist
(Example 2) and someone who has used multiple handles at forums across the interent, again, with the intent to deceive others into believing a majority believe in his positions
(Example 3).
And that is just what we are able to prove, who knows what else this con artist and psycho is guilty of?[/FONT]
[FONT="]Example 1[/FONT]
[FONT="]http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/6-breeders-support-information/5156-these-anygood-4.html#post72739[/FONT]
[FONT="]http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/16-bud-shots/5209-few-macros-exodus-1-true-cheese-seed-24.html#post78358[/FONT]
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[FONT="]Example 2[/FONT]
[FONT="]Example 3[/FONT]
[FONT="]For some time now I have had to ignore his stalking me around the internet, attempting to trash me at any chance he and others could get, playing devils advocate to anything I post just to be contrary. All of this has been an amusing attempt to associate himself, someone with absolutely no credibility, with others who in fact have nothing but honest intentions in helping the community at large. British Hempire is someone who takes other peoples money, and misleads them into notions that are completely false, all via the pretence of deception. One common theme throughout several of British Hempires trolling attempts, has been his bringing this thread up over and over again. Something I always thought was interesting, and a bit strange? That is, until it was discovered that British Hempire is in fact Big Buddha. The guy who has helped sell fake U.K Cheese all over the world. [/FONT]
Originally posted by British Hempire
Jesse, your post is a load of bullshit and quite frankly, highly insulting to us UK folks who have known and worked with the Cheese cut for a long time. You quite clearly haven't got a clue what you're talking about and are merely making assumptions based on picstures you have seen on the net.
For the record, the Cheese cutting was discovered in 1989 by a fella called Mark living in the Chiltern Hills from a pack of Sensi Seeds Skunk #1. He passed it to the Exodus Collective in 1995 and they spread it further. Contrary to the myth, they didn't hand it out freely to everyone far and wide, they made a lot of people jump through hoops, but they did pass it out. A fella called Brightside is largely responsible for spreading it around in the early years of this decade, it was passed to the HGF coffeeshop in Amsterdam in 2003. Big Buddha is a charlatan, a fraud and a thief, but it is his release of Cheese seeds in 2005 that kicked off a lot of the hype. Unlike the US, the UK was never a place that placed much store in 'elite' cuttings and we didn't put much emphasis on names, we still don't really, this is why it is only in the last 5 years that the Cheese name has become widely discussed, if Buddha have never released those seeds the Cheese name would not have got so much steam behind it. There were and still are tons of better cuts in the UK, just they haven't been hyped so much, although The Blues is starting to catch up to Cheese in name value in the UK these days.
I really cannot stress enough how misguided and completely incorrect Jesse's post is, he's talking out of his arse completely, lives on another continent to where the Cheese story happened and doesn't know any of the people involved. I live in the UK, I know many of the people who have been involved in the Cheese story personally, met em many times and it just really annoys me that a idiot like Jesse can be so sure that he is right and everyone in the UK is wrong.
Jesse, you're a internet conspiracy nutter of the highest order and you just made yourself look truly ludicrous to all the UK people.
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Originally posted by British Hempire
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If pointing out the worst excesses of your behaviour is trolling then yeah, I'm a troll. You wrote a pile of crap about Cheese that was pure fantasy, I corrected you, that isn't trolling. I figured out how you work ages ago, you present an elaborate argument only partly based on fact but fleshed out with wild speculation and assumption then rather than try to defend your viewpoint you instead mock, ridicule and insult anyone who disagrees with you. Jesse, you're a joke and I suspect the way you keep dreaming up outlandish conspiracies is a clear symptom of some mental problem.
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Originally posted by British Hempire
That is none of your business. If you had been paying attention you would have noticed that I have tried more than a couple of times to get along with hempy but he refuses to behave properly. I stand by my criticism of Jesse, that Cheese article he wrote is pure fiction and ever since I criticised him for it he's been rather nasty to me. It takes two to tango, if hempy and Jesse behaved in a way that made it possible to get along with them and have a rational debate then I would get along with them just fine. If you had been paying attention you will have seen that I have been very polite and concillatory toward hempy recently, particularly in the debate about Panama Red. My words fell on deaf ears and he wasn't interested in debating without being rude. In Jesse's case, he was completely wrong about Cheese but won't admit it. I admitted when I was wrong therefore the ball's in his court.
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How ironic is it, that his constant trolling and bringing up this very thread leads to further proving my original point all along? That there are those who are pushing fake U.K Cheese varieties, in an effort to make a name for themselves, while deceiving others into believing they have something that it is not. That there are those who will go to great lengths, including creating multiple accounts at websites, just to convince you of his story in order to take your money and run to the bank with it. You mention conspiracies British Hempire, what exactly do think you’re doing by attempting to mislead the public by using alias accounts? What is your goal in creating different accounts to push your agenda? It is clearly an effort to deceive, a money making scheme, something I have pointed out time and time again on these forums. Only to have the very same people I am attempting to help scuff at the notion people will actually attempt to deceive them lol. Sad state of affairs our community is in, and has been in for some time.
Originally posted by British Hempire
I've got more reason than most to not like Jesse and hempy, having been their whipping boy more than once, but even I don't approve of this thread.
Better if it was closed and forgotten imho.
Worst of all, it's pointless because these two have behaved the same way for years and aren't going to change.
So we just gotta put up with em best we can, sad to say.
If everyone chose to ignore them when they start with their crappy attitudes then that would go a long way to curtailing any negative effect on the community they can have.
I mean, there is an ignore list, you aren't forced to read their drivel if you chose to ignore them.
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Post such as these above have always been amusing to me, as British Hempire attempts to paint himself the victim. But as we can see from
Example 1, that is anything but the case. We are talking about someone who actively seeks out to cause trouble, but once it starts to swing back in his direction, he runs to Admini and Shanti to have threads closed and pretends to be the sheep, instead of the wolf.
And how can one forget the other jewels you’ve been responsible for British Hempire? Such as your BOEL fantasy’s in relation to the Haze
(Example 4), and your retarded idea that I stole your Haze article
(Example 5)? All of your claims of which, were flat out busted once examined.
Example 4
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Example 5
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So in closing, I have demonstrated that British Hempire will attempt to hide behind alias’s on the forums, taking advantage of the anonymity the internet offers, to take our money, as consumers by attempting to cloud the truth from the public view. I have demonstrated British Hempire is a perpetual troll, who will stop at no lengths to deceive and humiliate and hurt others while attempting to push his own agendas and satisfy his own lack of self esteem issues. I have demonstrated that British Hempire is a liar, a fraud, a troll and a cancer to our community on par with the likes of
The Three Little Birds. Great company to be in right there!