Rip van Winkle wakes up

Do you prefer hash to weed Nevil ?
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Illuminating

Thanks Neville ! :)

EDIT : I too would also like to know your dry sift method, if you would be willing to share it, I've always been able to sift small runs rather efficiently, but have had difficulty coming up with a method for the larger ones
 
Last edited:
Nevil said:
I had a look at their site. I'm not sure what they're selling, Sieves? In which case it's a useful product.
I agree with this statement; After the introduction of "The Ice Water Method", awkward, low tech, high priced applications were offered in 1998. These "mud bag" imitations invented unnecessary fabric creations, in order to charge oodles of money for the simple Ice Water Method process know how. Why submerge bags into the washing step if you can just as well filter afterwards through any screen you like?
But not with this;
"Ice Water Method" explained, Supersedes all dry sifting and chemical extraction methods.

I prefer a dry sieved hash. I played with the ice water method with what was left after getting the best out of dry sieving the material first. I had a lot of seeded bud in those days. I was much more motivated to clean the seed if I could make hash at the same time. I ended up with rubbish bags full of bud shake with plenty of resin left. I remember when I first tried putting the shake in cold water. It was winter in Holland and tap water was very cold. Loose resin goes hard and sinks in cold water, it blew me away! The resin was generally more pure than with other methods of extraction. I just decanted the crap and kept adding fresh cold water until only resin was left, then I put it through a coffee filter. There's nothing to sell, only to share. You can't sell the way nature works. You can sell filters though, I buy mine from the supermarket.
N.
Click to expand...

Can you tell me what you are using to sieve? I have a small motorized drum in a tote with the stainless steel 50 micron screen wrapped around. I probably would be better off with a stretched silkscreen-any thoughts?

Its funny, the TY article mentioned, the icecold principle getting his day in a dutch court with Mila and a couple other defendents-no doubt the increasingly visible, Sam The Skunkman. I wonder how that turned out?
This guy actually took them to court and says he holds all patents.
Did you show your findings to anyone else who might have stole (or appropriated,LOL) your idea ?

here are some varieties from a recent pull in a tin of finger hash. The buds are Chem91 x Afghan Haze...yummy
 

Attachments

  • DSCN2944.jpg
    DSCN2944.jpg
    204.1 KB · Views: 25
The truth is always the first casualty in war and sadly also in the canna community kash its nice to see you have saved a lot of the old posts brings back some memory them post wars were messy and an up hill battle to try and keep things honest trolls from one end mods editing controlling from the other side sad when you honestly think about it and look back on things.

Its all about EGO GREED for a lot of them yet they have done little.
 
Nevil said:
Thanks for sticking up for me Kashrocks.
Click to expand...

It is rather me who have to thank you for giving me a way to take my life into my own hands since 1992 with the strains you created.
You cannot imagine how much it changed it for the best.

Hempy said:
The truth is always the first casualty in war and sadly also in the canna community kash its nice to see you have saved a lot of the old posts brings back some memory them post wars were messy and an up hill battle to try and keep things honest trolls from one end mods editing controlling from the other side sad when you honestly think about it and look back on things.

Its all about EGO GREED for a lot of them yet they have done little.
Click to expand...

Hempy,
It is you, JessE and Shanti who made me continue to post during those days.
Hope to have a chat with you soon, as we used to.

Peace.

K.
 
Last edited:
It is rather me who have to thank you for giving me a way to take my life into my own hands since 1992 with the strains you created.
You cannot imagine how much it changed it for the best.
Click to expand...
It's about self empowerment. That's the wonderful thing about selling seeds. Putting good genetics into the hands of the common man created a shift in power away from organised crime. Once you had something good, you didn't really need anyone else.
I remember the frustration of living in Holland in the '70s and not being able to sell the home-grown weed, for want of suitable genetics. I made hash oil from half finished Columbians to make a living. I blew myself up and burned the house down. Things have changed since then.
N.
 
Faith,charity and hope...

"Victory without sacrifice is worth shit" life is good :) just wanted to say that.
 
I agree with nevil that pure hash or sieved hash is the best, water hash can be extremely strong aswell' but still not as superior, and usually too strong for the average smoker around, hard to make or find a market for it these days as not many people want it because they get too high'

In the late eighties a friend and i at a outdoor harvest plot tried rubbing buds onto leather sheets or the back of leather jackets to, we read some place how the Mexicans used there workers or slaves to run up and down there plots wearing leather jackets so as the resin sticks to it, along with flower pistols that made it a tad messy looking really, but good enough in those days, water hash we knew naught of, my how times have changed''

Its fun when finding something new occur when it happens by accident or whatever the case be, so many people just wanna steal our ideas and profit from them any which way they can, and the real inventer gets no mention of course, otherwise the copy cat will be found out and wiped off the plant for the good of all man kind, something like that anyhow''
 
your comment that seeds empowered the common man and allowed him to move away from organized crime is spot on nevil and is one which most of us would concur with however, the powers that be then put a new face on organized crime and it was YOU.

and to carry this sad commentary further, it's hard to even imagine the volume of resources since spent to erradicate this weed seed in the civilized world. and to what end? those in power no longer have a specific goal in sight when it comes to our plant as the waters are now muddy. my fondest hopes are that this is a good thing cause it signifies change in a future i can now see, which was not always the case. you put up a good fight sir. thank you for your efforts. peace-biteme
 
Some more input...

What Sam also failed to tell us all is that his so-called pure Original Haze has just the word pure that is true in its denomination.
It is a pure sativa hybrid but not a pure Original Haze as he tried to make us believe.
Sam infact used the same seeds than Nevil which he crossed to south indian and thaï genetics.

Hope this helps.

Peace.

K.
 
So what are you saying? Sam's Original Haze is original Haze plants crossed to South Indian and Thai plants? Would that make original Haze a Mexican x Colombian?
 
b_h,

From what I understand from Nev previous posts nobody really knows for sure of what were composed the original Hz seeds.

Only that they were the last representatives of the oldest sativa hybrids which had survived to the 70's and 80's.

K.
 
kashrocks said:
What Sam also failed to tell us all is that his so-called pure Original Haze has just the word pure that is true in its denomination.
It is a pure sativa hybrid but not a pure Original Haze as he tried to make us believe.
Sam infact used the same seeds than Nevil which he crossed to south indian and thaï genetics.

Hope this helps.

Peace.

K.
Click to expand...

this is what ive been insisting for sometime ,i feel the same

i love the fact you have old info i thankyou for sharing id love to seee anymore you wish to share ,i tried to copy those old post by SAMS but i couldnt


im very curious as too what your conclusions are based upon .because i feel there are many factors that make this clear

also i feel this is why we see more of a thai dom haze in todays ohaze offerings,also why mns hazes are thai/lumbo dom



[B
]Sam infact used the same seeds than Nevil which he crossed to south indian and thaï genetics.[/
Click to expand...
B]

im also curious as too how or why you came too this conclusion ,because i dont feel the same .

nevil admits that the haze stock that actually sprouted expressed it was a hybrid .

SAMS has had numerous haze selections since his 81 sacred seeds catalouge the first seed catalouge,which coincedentally was the year the haze stopped being grown by the creator .which is another factor in my book .i think the mention of burning bush by SAMS TO NEVIL also has some significance especially knowing the backround of both lines heavy thai expression

are we suppose to believe he was the creator of haze or helped create it when the history is known it was first available in 69/70 (but he smoked it for the first time in 71)then his first release is 11 yrs later 6 haze varietes 7 hybrids.yea he brought the thai n s.indian as he states just not to the original haze growers


you know id like to point out again that for anyone who is familiar with the ohaze poster it contains four colors which represent the ohaze varities,wouldnt there be much/many more expresssions if the haze was actually a hybrid a four way mind you .i believe the line was pure as we have been told.

another thing i always think about is hooteroll such few post but a what a source we have at our home.he agrees and contest what SAMS has said .id love to hear more of his thoughts



1luvbigherb
 
Last edited:
fxginbcn said:
can i get a simple explanation of the diff between sativa and a haze plant? are all hazes sativas
love an respect
Click to expand...
Sativa is a variety of cannabis as is indica, ruderalis, and hemp. Not sure at all whether they are true biological sub-classifications. As you surely know, sativa differs from indica most obviously in the type of buzz you recieve. Sativa focusses mostly as a cerebral buzz while indica targets the body.
Haze, aparently grown from sativa labeled plants, delivers a very unique, specific, and unmistakable cerebral-type buzz. It has remarkable psychedelic and disorienting properties that make the buzz quite memorable. Somewhere here at MNS there's a post that describes very well the type of buzz that's unique to haze but, for the life of me, I can't find it... and I have been hunting for it. The post describes 3 properties of a haze buzz, and if anyone comes across it, please post it here.
Many years ago, for a short time I had the good opportunity to smoke what is now labeled 'haze'. I don't know what it was called at the time, but from the description that I refer to above, it was 'Haze'. And to attest to the wide-spread desire to discover or re-create this type of cannabis plant, can you remember with vivid clarity any specific stone you had 30+ years ago? I remember only one with unmistakable surety.
 
That isn't such a simple answer, really. Scientists and underground growers use the same words to mean two different things. At first, there was only C. sativa. In late 1700's Lamarck designated C. indica as different, because of slight morphological differences, but mainly as a distinction between it getting you high as opposed to hemp varieties that won't. Scientists have still not answered definitely how to define the Cannabis plant taxonomically, with many different classification schemes being put forth but none decided on as fact.

Now you have growers who have used indica and sativa to describe two different types of a plant that gets you high. For growers, plants that can get you high, but that look/grow like hemp varieties are generally called sativa (tall, lanky, low yield, long flower), and indicas are your typical drug type strains (short, dense, and fast).

So Haze according to growers is a sativa-like strain. All sativa's are not Haze, but all Haze's are sativas, at least according to growers. If you asked a scientist, he'd tell you that Haze was C. indica more than likely, but it would depend on whose classification he agrees with.

One of the main problems with cannabis sativa and indica as separate species, even though hemp and drug type varieties are VERY different morphologically, is that they can still breed together. Being able to breed together or not has always been an important point between distinct species.

Hope that helps.
 
since it is only theory at this point, i am going to step up and agree with bh that the true original haze was most likely mexican x colombian although another old sage once insisted it was really mexican x mexican. the only evidence to back this up is the fact that for a short period of time, quite a bit of this haze swept through california and was purported to be grown only a short distance across the international border. peace-biteme
 
I'm inclined to believe that Haze is a Thai, which according to legend was brought to the U.S. by a hippy and given to a surfer or visa versa. The earliest Haze seeds Sam had that I saw were from around '66 and based on Sam's statements, he is not responsible for doing anymore than I did. That is IMO, using seeds that his neighbour produced and putting the progeny on the market. It's quite clear from his own statements that he didn't grow the seeds that I bought from him. How much thanks (or royalties) is owed to the man for selling somebody elses seeds?
N.
 
Nevil said:
I'm inclined to believe that Haze is a Thai, which according to legend was brought to the U.S. by a hippy and given to a surfer or visa versa. The earliest Haze seeds Sam had that I saw were from around '66 and based on Sam's statements, he is not responsible for doing anymore than I did. That is IMO, using seeds that his neighbour produced and putting the progeny on the market. It's quite clear from his own statements that he didn't grow the seeds that I bought from him. How much thanks (or royalties) is owed to the man for selling somebody elses seeds?
N.
Click to expand...

thanks for being you its like talking to one of the guys ,i love how easily you share your opinions

im surprised you think her to be pure

while this is somthin i have given much thought to but i dont have much knowledge or any experience with comparing the punta roja to ohaze ,there is not much info available on the punta roja line but i have seen some basic but interesting similarities of variations reported in the line such as taste /aromas the spicy phenos/ incense phenos diff colors ni the line such as purple phenos the quality is said to be utmost of the selections by the locals .

for you too make your conclusion im sure there is much supporting traits with thai lines som i can think of such as the sweet /juicy fruit /incense / purple /gold etc

The earliest Haze seeds Sam had that I saw were from around '66 and based on Sam's statements, he is not responsible for doing anymore than I did. That is IMO, using seeds that his neighbour produced and putting the progeny on the market
Click to expand...

im most thankful for his spreading and preserving ,but the fact there is obvious information held back we cannot know for sure ,what he has released. the fact he claims he made stock after 76 ??? the haze was still being grown,exactly wat ohaze stock sams has provided us all may never be known.he also gives us the story of providing the brothers with thai n S.indian n tells us wat mexican/colombians were used in the creation but its all B.S .

MAYBE THIS STORY HAS TO WITH SAMS OHAZE (not santa cruz haze) consisting of a 4way sativa starting in 76 n being ready for his 81 catalouge

IMO as he said stright up
I helped save the Original Haze from extinction, with the blessing of R.L. and the other Haze Brother, the 2 Original Haze growers.
Click to expand...

in a nut shell soo why add the story of the four way ,just admit these strains were added by you in 76/81 or wateva years to preserve the line


the earliest seeds reported by sams are from 69 ,im sure he gave you or had a bag labeled 66 but the first time this date is spoke of is when you gave us the info .although ive asked him in my thread with no response yet,but im not holding my breath


well i appreciate the open mind set and heart felt thoughts you share id like to share mine .back to the haze being a thai thought n your post below.you have immense experience with ohaze soo who is better sutied to know the traits to look for .with your thought below on what taste/aroma haze brings to mind .i was hopin this would be your path for the grail ,i dont wish to tell you how or wat to do but i was sad to hear fruity with the grail .i hope you decide to go with somthin that expresses the hazeA/ old buddah thai or the colombian side of the haze C ,which im enjoyin soo much in my nevilles haze ATM


What ever the legend behind the seeds that I got from Sam, It is my belief that the qualities in the Original Haze that we admire so much, come from Thai. I grew up in Western Australia and started smoking in the early 70's. Most of the Australian cannabis was descended from Thai and was grown in Queensland. Perth is as close to Thailand as it is to Queensland and W.A. got more than it's fair share of Imported Thai. I remember one batch was unparalleled and Haze A male's best progeny, reminded me of it. The guy was selling ounces of it for $30, but he had bags of what I now realise was loose resin, for $60. I wish that I had bought it.
Hence my desire to scour Australia for the best descendants of the old Thai imports to put back to the Haze.
N.
Click to expand...

THANKYOU FOR BEING YOU
you are appreciated


1luvbigherb
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top