Rip van Winkle wakes up

Nevil

Nevil

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People have been bringing things to my attention which to date I have been unaware of. The following threads have been like splashing cold water on my face.
http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...ient=firefox-a
http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...ient=firefox-a
http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/showthread.php?t=2890

I'll start with the least confronting subject.
WATER HASH
In the late 80's, David Watson A.K.A. Sam the Skunkman A.K.A. Sam Selegny etc. came to visit me at my home in Lent NL. He came with Rob Clark.
I showed them a technique which I had discovered through experimentation. It was simple yet profound. After sieving my seeded bud and extracting the finest resin and the seed I was producing, I still had significant quantities of ground left over bud. There was still a lot of resin left, but I could no longer separate it from the ground up leaf.
I discovered that if you mix the material with ice cold water, the resin would sink and the other plant material would float (This doesn't work with fresh shake). Simply decanting off the floating material and pouring the resin and water through a paper coffee filter would give you a surprisingly pure product.
I showed this to Watson and Clark, who were astounded.
I later heard that they had taken the idea to Mila in Amsterdam and soon the market was flooded with isolators and the like. They never asked my permission to run with the idea and I never earned a cent from anyone for the use of the idea.
In my opinion, ice hash is inferior to sieved hash. I have encountered Water Hash from Afghanistan, which no doubt is made the same way, but I never knew how they did it. I discovered this by myself, no doubt reinventing the wheel.
I swear that this is a true testimony.
Nevil
 
Hi Nevil

I believe you copy that link from some web site or forum.

When link is posted on web site or forum but he is toooo looong it will be automaticaly maked short.
Oh I see its google ... :)

After googleusercintent.co you can see 3 dots (...) well that is missing part of link .
http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...ient=firefox-a

You need to back to your research and must open that link in browser, than copy link and paste here.
MNS board will make them short too but that is what we see, however there will be full link address.

Just back and open these links THAN copy them and paste here.
 
nev,,,are you aware of another dude who said he invented the water ice method,?,,

"Icecold.org and the Xtractor Kit is a venture of Grobots International Inc. Laytonville, CA 95454-0123, USA, and their respective logos are trademarks/registered trademarks worldwide. The "Ice Water Method", The Xtractor Kit and all other applications of the method are protected by US Patent # 6,158,591 and Foreign Patents Pending. This product is only to be used to produce legal plant resin extracts. "

if a dude called "will" shows up here its gona get funny..

did you know milla was supposed to have signed an non discloseir agreement beffore she even heard about the ice method?
 
delp reinhard, from what i undersatand this is the person responsible for the ice water separation meathod. Treating Yourself did a massive article and follow up, that il try and post a few pictures up of, but, it basically showed how rotten mila and spam the punkman aka sam really was. The article outlined ongoing litigation's, mitigation's, lots of tions that all pointed to one big lie, im sure joe peitri will have some thing to say on this matter.
 
Hi Neville what do you prefer out of hash and weed, and whats you favourite strain to make hash from? sorry if thats been asked before.
 
I haven't been paying attention to the water hash method's exploitation. As I said, it's inferior to well sieved hash. You can't dry the shit out, without it tasting like crap. I didn't put all those flavour and aroma's in there to wash it out with water. It's not just about THC you know.
I read that there is a lot of back-biting and who was first and who owes what to who.
Hell even Clark admits that the idea came from me.
I'm giving my personal testemony, and I'm not a stake holder in this issue.
N.
 
I prefer a dry siev kief the best. When it wont screen out any further, I pour in 99% ISO for 10 minutes, run thru 3 coffee filters, pour it on a mirror in the sun, evaporate and cook in the sun for a couple hours, then scrape sparkle scharde dust off the mirror, with a razor blade. Its like a very pure kief, it does loose floral aromas tho.
 
Yeah, I tried everything I could think of and realised that every process damages the product. I even made Acetylised isomerised hash oil in my youth. It's not the goods. The natural plant is the goods.
Hang the plants whole for 6-12 weeks, in the dark. It's done. For hash 12-24 weeks. That's about it.
N.
 
absoloutly,,,dry siff is the best imo,,

some terpenoids and flavonoids desolve in water,,,thats why the spoon method makes tastyer product than the drill method for makin water hash,,
 
non polar solvents like butane make special product,,,,iso tastes like crap because its semi polar,,,i use a pyrex hand blow honey extractor a friend of mine made

im dying to buy a skillet and bellcurve for concentrates:)
 
Hi Nevil

good to hear you prefer dry sieve hash over water/ice hash too. With water extractions the product loses some terpens and thus the quality drops. But some strains thought seem to lose very little taste compared to others with water based extractions. Some say this is due to certain strains containing more water soluble terpens/terpenoids while others contain less that are water soluble and have more that are alcohol soluble..not sure if this is really the case but makes sense.
Personally I find its easier to make more clean/pure hash with water/ice extractions than with dry sieve methods , with less trichome stalks and other contaminants in the end product.

To be honest all methods have their pros and cons..so I like all types of extractions but lately I 'm a great fan of butane extractions , the oil made with good quality butane is top quality and usually more tasty and more potent than hash made with either dry sieve or water/ice extraction methods. From what I 've read I think you used to make ethanol extracted oil , so was wondering ever used butane ?

here are couple pics from some very good tasty BHO (butane honey oil) from last years crops



full flavored amber goodness


at room temps its hard almost glass like but with a bit of heat its workable. The flavor is all there , as long as the oil is well purged and good quality material and gas are used the end product will be great.
 
One tek that was kind of cool, get several 12 week dried manicured buds, still on the stalk, dip them in a champaign glass 3/4 full of petroleum ether. not too long and throw the bud away. Get a clean pane of glass warmed to about 45 degrees. Pour bits of the solution on the glass and by tilting, get it to cover most of the glass. Repeat until the solution is finished and allow to dry. Put in the fridge until the glass is cold. Scrape the glass with a razor blade. The resin will splinter in shards. Collect and using hand warmth, roll into a ball. Very pure and nice taste. A bit decadent though.
N.
 
diptime is only relivent with semi polar solvents,,,,im nore of a non polar solvent man myself,,,non polar is the only thing that stands up to drysiff imo
 
I agree englishrick

I 've made several times oil with alcohol (pure Isopropyl alcohol) and the results were not even comparable to hash made with non polar solvents like butane . Superctitical CO2 extractions sound interesting but haven't actually seen anyone making oil/hash this way and having documented the whole proccess.
 
a mate of mine had a bottle and said it tasted like the resin at the end of a joint,,,he said he even sprayed on a hotglass rod,,,after the whole bottle in 1 sitting he said he was flying for nearly the whole day but th taste was nothing to party with:),,,its the same guy who blew my pyrex honey extractor,,,a friend of his has MS,,,
 
this is what i got fom it,,maybe this will help you,,,maybe nev can correct me if im wrong too

i think nev might be talking about a procedure very similar to "QWISO",,,,bus insted of using iso hes using ether,,,,he removes all the green [chlorophil] via curing and decarboxilation,,,then he probbly dips the brownweed "very well cured weed",,,to make a pure product

if he quick washed green weed [uncured weed] the quick wash would pick up some of the green clour ,,ie the chlorophil ,,,[basicly its the same deal but not as pure]
 
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