Rip van Winkle wakes up

The problem is that I don't seem to get powder out that often - it comes out almost ready pressed! When I gather it with a spoon out of the 23 microns filter it is already half-pressed with it's own weight and even if I flatten it and put it in the drying room (which is ALWAYS at exactly 41%rH) and leave it a week it still bubbles when I burn it (I guess that's why it's bubble hash...) which, I suppose, is the water.

I think, maybe, it is the way I am getting the water through the filter which is pressing the hash down. I'll try being more gentle as I must be squeezing it as I'm doing it...especially that last little bit.

I've never really kept it in powder form. This must be the difference, then, I feel...I'll try your way next time.

I just made some today, too. I'll have to smoke it all quickly now as it is already pressed...shame! ;) (prepare for me to lose it again for a week...oh no!)

I'm sure the internal moisture is killing the best of the floral bouquet...

I'm mulling over the idea of building a Mel Frank style tumbler. Does anyone think this could be done efficiently with leaf and shake? or stick with the bubble-stylee unless using buds?


GS

FYI - I know that I always cuss memory as unreliable (it is IMPOSSIBLE to remember what something tasted like, say, 20 years ago, for example - you just think you can remember...your mind makes it up...fills in the blanks, as it were.) but I SWEAR that the spaghetti strainer / girlfriend's tights hash (done by hand and not mixer) tasted and smelt much better.

[Maybe that was because I didn't wash the tights first, though....hehe]
 
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he can make anything ,,,i might get him to join this site and you can ask him yourself,,


vaporglobe in-action
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYyGiaf_gxc&feature=related

^^^^^this is the sorta thing i want,,,but id settle for the Hops standard large inline bubbler,,the vapor globe looks perfect for concentrates







ps,,,,here is a hops bubbler [similar to the 1 i want]but this kid is a forward thinker,,,this lil master is using the other toy i want,,,,the VripThek HeatWand
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klXc9Xo1EJk
 
Grover Sativa said:
The problem is that I don't seem to get powder out that often - it comes out almost ready pressed! When I gather it with a spoon out of the 23 microns filter it is already half-pressed with it's own weight and even if I flatten it and put it in the drying room (which is ALWAYS at exactly 41%rH) and leave it a week it still bubbles when I burn it (I guess that's why it's bubble hash...) which, I suppose, is the water.
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hiGrover

Good hash should melt and bubble when heated!
But bubbles in good quality water extracted hash is not due to excess water!! Even good dry sieve hash from cured material melts and bubbles!
I remember even Howard Marks mentioning the lighter test to check hash quality (if it melted to the touch of the fire and also bubbled it was good)

Now if the bubbles in your melty waterhash are clear (Clear Domes), then there is probably no excess water left..but if you see cloudy domes ( smoke like/water vapor in the bubbles ), then the hash has probably too much water left in it.

If your hash does not even melt with heat but burns more like green material then its probably not pure enough. This can be due to the extraction process or due to the nature of the trichs of the material and/or strain used.

Here is some FMCD hash (Full Melt Clear Dome):


I think, maybe, it is the way I am getting the water through the filter which is pressing the hash down. I'll try being more gentle as I must be squeezing it as I'm doing it...especially that last little bit.

I've never really kept it in powder form. This must be the difference, then, I feel...I'll try your way next time.
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give it a try Grover , keep it in powder form next time and see for yourself the results. Pressing the water extracted hash before the trichomes are thoroughly dried (and cured) will always give bad smelly or even moldy hash. In powder form the worst that can happen is to have to deal with overdried hash powder. Which will result in hash that may not stick as much especially if not really oily and will also burn hotter and taste worse , similar to overdried bud.

By the way when you collect the trichs with the spoon try to break the lump apart into very fine particles before sprading it over a cardboard or paper , not just flatten it out.

How many bags (different size screens) are you using? The more you use, the better imo as there will be a more uniform particle(trichome head/gland) size in each bag/screen batch which ensures a better and faster drying.

Think of it like this: if you have coarse sand mixed with fine sand , the fine sand particles go and fill the holes between the coarse sand particles leaving not much air to get inbetween the particles, while if you only have one size particles there will always be empty space between the particles where air will get in . With trichomes its similar.

I SWEAR that the spaghetti strainer / girlfriend's tights hash (done by hand and not mixer) tasted and smelt much better.
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I find the best water/ice hash is made by hand (by mixing with a wooden spoon or similar) , the water extracted hash is the pic by the way was made with a wooden spoon
with a mixer , even in low speed/setting you lose some quality..on the other hand you get some extra yield..
 
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pure bubble dust

cat
 
Here is my first attempt at getting right to my point.
Water extraction reduces flavor and aroma.
1. Tap water contains chlorine and other contaminants that adversely effect the flavor.

2. As Leet said in an earlier post terpenes , which hold MANY of the flavors and aroma of the plant a rinsed away by the method, stronger agitation makes it worse.

3. Water extraction seperates different sized trichome heads with screens. Some of these heads are more aromatic then others. IMO seperating the different sizes to get that melting factor also decreases aroma/taste.

IMO 2 and 3 are stronger influencing factors then 1 because I have used RO water to no avail. :( It still did not taste better. :)_~ KB
 
i have a big question cause i thought i had heard of the ice technology also stolen from another? and if any of you are privy to the exact facts, please feel free to correct me.

one of the cannabis cups in the mid 90s (96 or 97?), some north american guy brought prototype iso hash machines to the show. and he was scammed for them. can't remember if the actual units were stolen or if the mooks studied them and stole the idea behind them? and for some reason i thought mr. sam skunk was in on this caper? this story is now 13 or 14 years old.

i freely admit to old age and getting senile so straighten me out of i have the story wrong. just be kind. peace-biteme
 
I remember a post around 1995-96 explaining how to extract using ice. This was on a message board before the intraweb was a highway full of billboards.

Edit- It was 1993-94 not 95-96
 
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hi Snowhigh

not sure that it has to do with the 60s , from the text under the pic I understand that the poster is 60s style/look not the actual poster dating back to the 60s. Afterall Sam said he got the method from Nevil so this poster must be from after Nev met Sam around mid 80s.
 
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hi Snowhigh

not sure that it has to do with the 60s , from the text under the pic I understand that the poster is 60s style/look not the actual poster dating back to the 60s. Afterall Sam said he got the method from Nevil so this poster must be from after Nev met Sam around mid 80s.
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Its not Sam the Skunk man..it says Sadu Sam. Not sure if they are the one in the same but it was an interesting poster. I posted it because of some type of extraction method claimed on the poster be it water/ice or sieving it didn't say.
 
Hi all,
If im not mistaken Sam Skunkman had a line to call, which was advertised in High Times magazine in the past to call for instructions on how to make hash. I believe he may have in fact referred to himself as Sadu Sam, I may even have a copy of the ad still somewhere. *edit* After a brief look, Im not sure where I put that add just yet. Should I find it, Ill keep this thread in mind. I did however find the link below, which is related.

http://www.fullmeltbubble.com/forum/showthread.php?t=527
 
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SnowHigh said:
Its not Sam the Skunk man..it says Sadu Sam.
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I m pretty sure its Sam Skunkman , same person , just another alias
bubbleman said:
For sure it works, it was the foundation of the water extraction kits that are available on todays market.

Here is the ad for sadhu sam's water extraction. this was in a 1987 issue of High Times.

I will find and post the instruction that were sent when you ordered from this ad...
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from:https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=1781660&postcount=26

binnaryfission said:
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edit: sam thanks neville in "hashish" by clarke.
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from:https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=1783240&postcount=29

Sam Skunkman's reply:
Sam_Skunkman said:
"You are right that Neville showed me this the first time but an un-named USA grower showed it to Neville a week before Neville showed me and Rob Clarke.

I never said I made it up, I said I was the first to get the info out and popularize water hash making."
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original full post : https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=1827502&postcount=38

edit: Sam saying that poster and instructions were from the 80s:

Sam_Skunkman said:
"In the 1980's I offered a $10 instruction sheet in High Times to extract resin from buds using just cold water and a jar. Quite a few years later the Ice-o-later and Reinhart showed up in Amsterdam claiming to have invented ice-water sifting."
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http://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=554029&postcount=183
 
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L33t said:
Personally I find its easier to make more clean/pure hash with water/ice extractions than with dry sieve methods , with less trichome stalks and other contaminants in the end product.
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L33t said:
With water extractions the product loses some terpens and thus the quality drops.
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Hi L33t,

I agree with you.
However maybe you should try adding circa 10 to 20% dry sieve to your water hash. This is the way I am doing the best hash I can.
I think it is a good compromise between the two methods.

Peace.

K.
 
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