I've fallen, and I can't get up! Pass the Medicine Man...😷

All of the Medicine Man showong female preflowers, 12/18, have been successfully cloned and also transplanted into the final container. About half are the perfect height for flipping to flower.

Tomorrow, I'll clean out the tent, spray down the girls with their pre-flower IPM treatment, and switch the timer to 12/12.

I'll have to take the less developed and recently transplanted MM and put them into the cloning tent each night, then back under the more powerful flowering LED each morning so they have time to get more developed before flowering.

On a side note, over half of my fems from another breeder are still not rooted, at all, after about a month and a half! All except one or two of the MM rooted well. The few slower rooting phenotypes are all rooted and transplanted. I'm loving how much easier the MM handle the cloning proccess.

I took some photos last week but never uploaded. I'll take new ones tomorrow and get them on here.

Diesel840
 
Two of the Medicine Man have weird leaf damage as does one of my Super Silver Haze. I'm hoping it's nothing. I usually water with a ph. of 6.6-6.9, 6.8 and 6.9 being the most common. Temps have not been extreme either way. I keep inspecting for insects. I don't see a single one nor do I see eggs. I used my Jewlers loop when checking for the bugs and eggs. Anyways, otherwise, they're looking Great!

Last night I switched the flower tent to a 12/12 flower schedule. 8/12 of the MM are ready for flower. the others will be shuffled between the tents to maintain veg but still get the stronger light.
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Well, I was just sad to see your plants in such state after you was getting them all fixed up!

I suspect that you are over watering again. Get that sorted out then we can see if there is also a nutrition problem. The plants kinda look similar to post #68. Go back and read the pages after that to see what you did to revive them. Beyond that, I'm an outdoor grower so not much help to indoor growers.

See, the news wasn't that bad, typical grower mistakes. I was gonna write to you yesterday but then I saw something shiny, or a boob, or something, and that was that.

Longball
 
longball said:
I suspect that you are over watering again. Get that sorted out then we can see if there is also a nutrition problem. The plants kinda look similar to post #68. Go back and read the pages after that to see what you did to revive them.
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Thank you for the insight. After reviewing the post you referred to, I can see some similarities. In person much of the damage almost looks like insect damage, though I couldn't find any critters.

I'll try to water a bit less. Been trying to let them dry out as much as possible, but I may need to water even less for the more undeveloped plants.

I appreciate the concern and advice my friend.

Diesel840
 
Over watering may cause a plant to look different than you might expect. People who really love their plants and want the best for them tend to over water and over feed them. They're fucking weeds, treat them as such. They're not Prima Donna's or Ballerina's, there weeds. While your problem may not be over watering it's something to keep an eye on. A lot of your leaf tips are pointing down - a classic sign of over watering(among other things haha). How do your leaves feel? Do they feel firm? Flimsy? Papery? These are clues as to what's going on with your plants. Forget about the millions of strains you can't decide on growing and concentrate on the ones you are growing. I know I've sugar-coated this quite a bit as it is a family site but hopefully you get my drift. :whistle:

Here's a couple over watered plants for you to chew on. It might look like a different problem but it was just over watering..

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Here's one of my plants that I was over watering a bit. You can tell because so many leaf tips pointing down and the dark green color. I let her dry out a few days and started giving her less water and she started looking healthy again. G13xAfghan Skunk F2
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Hope this helps!

Longball
{Edit} "I'll try to water a bit less." Is that even possible? There are only 2 choices - you water less, or you don't. Keep some type of log. For example the plant above liked 72oz water. Less and I was under watering it, more and I was over watering it. I gave 72oz or I didn't. There was no trying.
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@longball the sad looking medicine man had hardly any roots when I transplanted into the final container. You're likely correct about it being overwattered.

I'll wait a few extra days between watering for the smaller ones before watering and cut the portion of water down by 1/2. I've been watering them about once a week since transplant. The containers are light with at least 2 knuckles deep of DRY hard soil.



I appreciate the advice. I'll check the leaves when I get home.
 
Well, gee, Wally Diesel840, watering them once a week don't sound like a lot :unsure: Mostly like you'll need an indoor grower to help you. Outdoors is so different, to me. For example, the 9 cups of water that plant gets? All my plants get watered twice a day, 9 cups, early morn and 9 cups early afternoon. If really hot out then another 9 cups late afternoon. If I didn't water twice a day my plants would be dead in about 4-5 days. Maybe less.

I have a lot to learn about growing so be careful about my advice. Almost all indoor growers here so someone will chip in. "The containers are light with at least 2 knuckles deep of DRY hard soil." Yeah, maybe don't listen to me...if ya ever got any outdoor questions.....sorry I couldn't be of more help!

Longball
 
longball said:
I have a lot to learn about growing so be careful about my advice. Almost all indoor growers here so someone will chip in. "The containers are light with at least 2 knuckles deep of DRY hard soil." Yeah, maybe don't listen to me...if ya ever got any outdoor questions.....sorry I couldn't be of more help!
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Yes, but the ones which are less well rooted may be "teetering" with overwater conditions.

I've wondered if perhaps the soil is hot, or maybe my michorazae are on the leaves and scorching them?

I can see some minimal damage on several plants. The less developed show the most damage. But only post transplant into final containers and under the more powerful LED.

I appreciate any and all feedback. I don't always assume what others say is absolute fact and immediately respond to it, but I always take into consideration what they say and try to find the best solution using that input if applicable.

longball said:
How do your leaves feel? Do they feel firm? Flimsy? Papery?
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They feel fairly normal, bit fuzzy and like paper. I wouldnt say they feel thick or thin. The damaged yellow parts are crispy. 😅

I'll watch them and if the plants don't tend to do better than I will check soil ph. Now that I'm switching into flower I'll be logging temps most days. I'll also be logging all waterings including ph, if its tal, and nutes.

They havent had anything in their water besides ph down, kelp it real, michorazae, and occasionally gnatrol. No nutes thus far. Plenty in the fox farms ocean forest.

Appreciate you @longball.

Diesel840
 
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Forgot to add. It looks like i mis-sexed one medic Man. Mm#4 looks like he is growing some sacks. 11/18 f/m is still great! More than I planned for. 🥰

The stigmas are more prominant on a few MM. Hopefully they respond quickly to 12/12. I have basically two nugs and some hash to last until harvest + short cure.
 
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Sometimes, for the laggers and the strugglers it is best to empty the contents of the pot to confirm root growth and soil condition. If soil is too wet, best to repot in new soil instead of waiting for the soil to dry out as you are stifling growth and wasting valuable time leaving plants in this hypoxic state. There is a good chance that your deficiency may be remedied with the repot. If no roots, then clearly continued watering is of no benefit- new soil with a little cloning gel and feed foliarly (weak kelp solute) until roots are established. A dome to increase humidity can be helpful here. Avoid strong light, nutrients, supplements until they are firmly anchored.
Your plants are mature enough to have roots so a repot might be all that is needed. Onward brah!

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Good for you! It's good to check from time to time. Confirmation dissolves fear and uncertainty.
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When they were still seedlings, I should have repotted much earlier. Anxiety over disrupting the tender young roots held me back. I've gotten over much of that fear. Hence, me popping it out only moments after reading the suggestion to check for roots.
 
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It looks like i mis-sexed one medic Man. Mm#4 looks like he is growing some sacks.
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Yep, he is most certainly growing himself sum balls! I snipped his clone today, the sacs had grown and were clearly visible. Fear not, he will be dried and drunk as a refreshing winter tea. No waste here. 😉

He had beautiful long leaves with a deep shade of green. There was hardly the tiniest bit of nute burn from the soil being a bit too hot. His stem was thick and sturdy with minimal axial growth. Mostly a main stem. When rubbed it emmited a fresh minty scent.

Diesel840
 
longball said:
I suspect that you are over watering again. Get that sorted out then we can see if there is also a nutrition problem.
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For a few of the plants, you may have been onto something. I checked the drainage holes on the pots and some of the SSH had holes partially or entirely blocked with flash. With the sad little MM havimg had underdeveloped roots when transplanted, I may have been depriving its developing roots of precious oxygen by not warering less.

I also feel that while waiting for those overwatered plants to dry out, I was inadvertently not watering my more established plants enough. If the soil remains dry they wouldn't be filling the pot as efficiently with roots.

Growing more than a handful of plants is new to me. I'll get the hang of it. Thank you gor everyones support. 😄

Diesel840

Edit: I just had to remove more flash from the bottom of another SSH and one of my MM. I'm going to check and clean up the flash on the bottom of every plant. This could take a minute...🙃
 
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