Musashi Plays With Fire- The Doors and Neville's Haze
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Aloha fellow Firewalkers!
After 10 days in reduced lighting, so far yielding 9F/16 Doors, 8F/10 Neville’s Haze. Musashi fantasy thought #5786; assuming I use Doors males for this project, I might just have 7 of them to work with.
Along with these 17 females… why I’d even like to bring La Nina to the party! Now all that could be a small lifetime of possibilities lol.
First week of many and a full house over here!
The Doors and Neville’s Haze
As usual, my eye is already out for the lookers. The first week of flower and several are already smelling citrusy, spicy and churchy.
I noticed this gal this morning.
Doors #8
Mele Kalikimaka
Mu
After 10 days in reduced lighting, so far yielding 9F/16 Doors, 8F/10 Neville’s Haze. Musashi fantasy thought #5786; assuming I use Doors males for this project, I might just have 7 of them to work with.
Along with these 17 females… why I’d even like to bring La Nina to the party! Now all that could be a small lifetime of possibilities lol.First week of many and a full house over here!
The Doors and Neville’s Haze
As usual, my eye is already out for the lookers. The first week of flower and several are already smelling citrusy, spicy and churchy.
I noticed this gal this morning.
Doors #8
Mele Kalikimaka
Mu
blowingupjake
Mothership Connection
Gonna be looking like an exotic far away jungle in there soon enough.
Pulling for you on this one my brother, can’t wait to see what you find!!
Pulling for you on this one my brother, can’t wait to see what you find!!
#NightMare#
Well-known member
Musashi youve done really well with these so far..looks like they've bounced back very good...also looks like you have some very sativa leaning phenos in ther..should be a good one..thanks for sharing..and good luck with the rest of your journey.
Aloha fellow Firewalkers!
@Jake and #NightMare# thanks for the positive vibes!
I did mention earlier that I wasn’t only avid, I was rabid. So please excuse yet another update hehee.
Coming down to 11.5 hrs to encourage the tardy ones and what do I find here?
Why it’s a tomboy hiding amongst the boyz. She got outed today.
“Tomboy”
Weren’t these girls around 14-16” when up-potted 6 days ago? This morning I find some standing at 23”. Another 1.5” since yesterday. Guess we are in the boom stage lol.
Neville's Haze #3
As of today there are 6 males to work with. The key word is “work”. I reluctantly cut out the two Neville’s males this morning and with 6 Doors males left, I am wondering how many to work with. Still undecided and that is where you come in.
I deputize you all. Help me come to an agreement as to which 3 of these suspects should be pursued in earnest. Time’s a wastin’ as Frankie Boy is fully loaded and ready to cause mayhem.
I have always been impressed with the vigor of the Widow lines. I had forgotten that this vigor is prevalent in the Haze lines also. Through the seasons I have moved away from the pure sativa lines due to their inconsistency here and am convinced of the benefits of hybridization.
As I make my rounds with MNS hybrids I have to say that in general, vitality has been a reliable trait with the MNS lines.
Shaka
Mu
@Jake and #NightMare# thanks for the positive vibes!
I did mention earlier that I wasn’t only avid, I was rabid. So please excuse yet another update hehee.
Coming down to 11.5 hrs to encourage the tardy ones and what do I find here?
Why it’s a tomboy hiding amongst the boyz. She got outed today.
“Tomboy”
Weren’t these girls around 14-16” when up-potted 6 days ago? This morning I find some standing at 23”. Another 1.5” since yesterday. Guess we are in the boom stage lol.
Neville's Haze #3
As of today there are 6 males to work with. The key word is “work”. I reluctantly cut out the two Neville’s males this morning and with 6 Doors males left, I am wondering how many to work with. Still undecided and that is where you come in.
MOST WANTED
Provide Information about These and Win Prizes for Saving Society from the Criminals
D2 alias "Shorty", D6 alias "Lefty", D12 alias "Fingers", D13 alias "Mr. T, D14 alias "Frankie Boy", D16 alias "Knuckles"
Provide Information about These and Win Prizes for Saving Society from the Criminals
D2 alias "Shorty", D6 alias "Lefty", D12 alias "Fingers", D13 alias "Mr. T, D14 alias "Frankie Boy", D16 alias "Knuckles"
I deputize you all. Help me come to an agreement as to which 3 of these suspects should be pursued in earnest. Time’s a wastin’ as Frankie Boy is fully loaded and ready to cause mayhem.
I have always been impressed with the vigor of the Widow lines. I had forgotten that this vigor is prevalent in the Haze lines also. Through the seasons I have moved away from the pure sativa lines due to their inconsistency here and am convinced of the benefits of hybridization.
As I make my rounds with MNS hybrids I have to say that in general, vitality has been a reliable trait with the MNS lines.
Shaka
Mu
#NightMare#
Well-known member
Personally(dependant on space) I would take and keep a small cutting off evry single plant and not destroy any and just keep them in small pots under a cfl light....then carefully pollinate one or two lower branches of your main female plants with one male and label them..then pollinate a further one or two branches with another male and label them..and repeate the process with evry single male you have carefully labeling evrything...only with this tech will you truly find the best combination from 1 to 1 mating with the genetics you have at hand..once you test your labeled seeds an find the perfect combination you will able to repeatedly reproduce those results due to you having the best tested male and female clones backed up...and you can get rid of the rest...but thats me...but for you it depends on wat your goals are...an then we can give you further good advice and help wer possible.
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#NightMare#
Well-known member
Another good idea is to look at your males and see if you have females from the same seedline that have given you similar plants..eg..leaf shape, structure, branching, internode lengths ect...this will give you some indication into what traits the male may have an what it could pass on and wat you may want to keep... but evrything depends on what you are looking for.
blowingupjake
Mothership Connection
Lefty and Frankie Boy look like the guys to me. Some real dangerous buckaroos!
Idk why they seem like it to me, the aura is there though.
Idk why they seem like it to me, the aura is there though.
Aloha fellow Firewalkers!
@everyone thank you for your continued helpful comments.
It is great to see braddahs, kindred spirits thinking on the same vibration! As I had already pre-selected them, it is nice to get confirmation of my thoughts with similar reasoning. Not too overly scientific but exciting nonetheless! The Doors #2, #6, #14 remain; the others were discarded.
Doors #2
Doors #6
Doors #14
Things are moving quickly now. The males are now bursting with staminate flowers. I suspect that they are already dusting. These selected males will now be sequestered in another fanless room where they can continue to mature.
I have assembled the items for the seeding project:
“Specialized” male retaining tubes
Notched pre-slit “collection” paper
Circular “supporting” structures
“Deluxe” H2O atomizer
“Extraction” rods (chopsticks not pictured)
Temporary male housing
Little boxes made of ticky tack...
After sufficient germ dispersal and with the help of my little funnel, I will store pollen in the small brown bottles CannaFish was wild about. The females continue to grow and mature providing more sites for fertilization. 3,2,1…
Is there anything grander in life than growing this spirit endowed plant?
Shaka
Mu
@everyone thank you for your continued helpful comments.
It is great to see braddahs, kindred spirits thinking on the same vibration! As I had already pre-selected them, it is nice to get confirmation of my thoughts with similar reasoning. Not too overly scientific but exciting nonetheless! The Doors #2, #6, #14 remain; the others were discarded.
Doors #2
Doors #6
Doors #14
Things are moving quickly now. The males are now bursting with staminate flowers. I suspect that they are already dusting. These selected males will now be sequestered in another fanless room where they can continue to mature.
I have assembled the items for the seeding project:
“Specialized” male retaining tubes
Notched pre-slit “collection” paper
Circular “supporting” structures
“Deluxe” H2O atomizer
“Extraction” rods (chopsticks not pictured)
Temporary male housing
Little boxes made of ticky tack...
After sufficient germ dispersal and with the help of my little funnel, I will store pollen in the small brown bottles CannaFish was wild about. The females continue to grow and mature providing more sites for fertilization. 3,2,1…
Is there anything grander in life than growing this spirit endowed plant?
Shaka
Mu
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Marcus_in_the_Darkus
Well-known member
Wonderful pollen collection method, Musashi. Frankie looks like a badass. What kind of stem-rub smells are he and his brothers making at this point?
Aloha fellow Firewalkers!
Thanks everyone for stopping by!
Well finally getting some secondaries and so may have some cloning material to work with. Lights were kicked down to 11 hours yesterday as we continue to roll down the road. Bloom fertilizer change-up today. Everyone seems to be acclimating nicely. Water usage is up naturally. RH is beginning to be consistent. As I settle into the rhythm of the plants, I feel anticipation. I know that soon I will be staking and training them laterally. I can already see them getting ready to really blast off. Gonna get my track shoes on so’s I can keep up!
You and Jake are right! Frankie #14 is a “bad ass” and a “real dangerous buckaroo”! He’s already tried breaking out of his enclosure- 4” in two days. 
As mentioned earlier, I am not very good with smells. Citrus they are not. More deep spice essential oil. Cinnamon maybe. With slight variation, this is the predominant smell for all three at the moment.
Frankie tries to break out!
Toshiro is my all time fav. A Fistful of Dollars was made from Yojimbo. Of course, Shogun's Assassin is a must watch. What should we watch today?
A dear braddah shared this pollination harvest method with me and I thought it might benefit us all as it is relevant to the task at hand.
https://youtu.be/w2dh3sWkhXU
I welcome new and different ideas and appreciate the many braddahs who are gently dragging me into the 21st century. In the video, I like the function of glycerin and the convenience of using stamp packets for pollen collection. Sweet ideas and very tidy wouldn’t you agree?
I still use bottles. I can pack more inoculating tips within the bottle.
I then put these in a larger mason jar that I vacuum seal for longer storage.
I use this kind of swab for accumulation; a make-up qtip with a smaller head and tighter wrap.
For short term storage, I have been known to use a dropper to harvest pollen. Then store in bottle.
Take the rubber bulb off to use, insert qtip.
We all benefit when you braddahs bring the light. Thanks to everyone for all your help.
Shaka
Mu
Thanks everyone for stopping by!
Well finally getting some secondaries and so may have some cloning material to work with. Lights were kicked down to 11 hours yesterday as we continue to roll down the road. Bloom fertilizer change-up today. Everyone seems to be acclimating nicely. Water usage is up naturally. RH is beginning to be consistent. As I settle into the rhythm of the plants, I feel anticipation. I know that soon I will be staking and training them laterally. I can already see them getting ready to really blast off. Gonna get my track shoes on so’s I can keep up!
LOL. I was taught to use what’s at hand.
You and Jake are right! Frankie #14 is a “bad ass” and a “real dangerous buckaroo”! He’s already tried breaking out of his enclosure- 4” in two days. As mentioned earlier, I am not very good with smells. Citrus they are not. More deep spice essential oil. Cinnamon maybe. With slight variation, this is the predominant smell for all three at the moment.Frankie tries to break out!
You like the improv eh? Tried coffee filters before but they have too much of an angle. Besides, this way is cheaper.
Toshiro is my all time fav. A Fistful of Dollars was made from Yojimbo. Of course, Shogun's Assassin is a must watch. What should we watch today?
A dear braddah shared this pollination harvest method with me and I thought it might benefit us all as it is relevant to the task at hand.
https://youtu.be/w2dh3sWkhXU
I welcome new and different ideas and appreciate the many braddahs who are gently dragging me into the 21st century. In the video, I like the function of glycerin and the convenience of using stamp packets for pollen collection. Sweet ideas and very tidy wouldn’t you agree?
I still use bottles. I can pack more inoculating tips within the bottle.
I then put these in a larger mason jar that I vacuum seal for longer storage.
I use this kind of swab for accumulation; a make-up qtip with a smaller head and tighter wrap.
For short term storage, I have been known to use a dropper to harvest pollen. Then store in bottle.
Take the rubber bulb off to use, insert qtip.
We all benefit when you braddahs bring the light. Thanks to everyone for all your help.
Shaka
Mu
#NightMare#
Well-known member
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Frankies trying to do the great escape...hold up frankie you have a job to do yet..
Youve picked some stunning plants to work with musashi.
Frankies trying to do the great escape...hold up frankie you have a job to do yet..
Youve picked some stunning plants to work with musashi.
Aloha fellow Firewalkers and Mele Kalikimaka!
Well Frankie, Lefty and Shorty have long outgrown their “tubes” and are now towering over the tops, spewing forth. Frankie is the most prodigious with Lefty following. It is difficult to get pics of their splendor within their tubes. After I harvest enough pollen, which begins today; I’ll free them of their boxes and line ‘em up for the op before I cut them back. In the meantime,
The Doors:
Door #1 24" 
Doors #3 29" 
Door #4 23" 
Doors #5 24" 
Door #7 30" 
Door #8 35" 
Doors #9 23" 
Doors #10 23" 
Doors #11 25" 
Door #15 35"
Shaka
Mu
Thanks for the compliment #NightMare#
Well Frankie, Lefty and Shorty have long outgrown their “tubes” and are now towering over the tops, spewing forth. Frankie is the most prodigious with Lefty following. It is difficult to get pics of their splendor within their tubes. After I harvest enough pollen, which begins today; I’ll free them of their boxes and line ‘em up for the op before I cut them back. In the meantime,
“Young girls they know what they’re after
Young girls don’t kiss me goodbye…
Bang Bang I got mine
Bang Bang reach for the sky…”
Young girls don’t kiss me goodbye…
Bang Bang I got mine
Bang Bang reach for the sky…”
The Doors:
Door #1 24" Doors #3 29" Door #4 23" Doors #5 24" Door #7 30" Door #8 35" Doors #9 23" Doors #10 23" Doors #11 25" Door #15 35"Shaka
Mu
Neville's Haze:
NH #2 30" 
NH #3 36" 
NH #4 29" 
NH #5 29" 
NH #6 32" 
NH #8 36" 
NH #9 38" 
NH #10 34"Have a Merry Christmas!
Mu
blowingupjake
Mothership Connection
Dude.
These plants are so sexy.
You’re doing good work over here my friend.
These plants are so sexy.
You’re doing good work over here my friend.
Aloha fellow Firewalkers!
I have been trying to follow the “Australia on fire” story. I’ve read of the impact on the koala population. In the process I learned of deadly spiders – redbacks, funnel webs and the creepy huntsman, and snakes –southern death adder, red-bellied black snakes, taipans, brown snakes, tiger snakes, copperheads. Man, I hope they are not seeking shelter in your homes.
@Jake I agree, they are sexy with those long fingers.
As we enter the New Year, it is coincident with week 5 of florescence. It is interesting to observe the accelerated growth of these plants with the light change-over. Recalling those earlier weeks, plants grew accordingly:
Wk 1) 12/9 16”
Wk 2) 12/15 23”
Wk 3) 12/24 35”
Wk 4) 12/31 51”
218% so far and this isn’t the end of it lol.
Before and after
Some observations:
The Neville’s need lesser light to respond. Most of The Doors responded at 12/12.
The Neville’s are generally the taller plants. The Doors are slightly shorter plants which might be better suited to indoor.
Neville's Haze & The Doors
The Neville’s are needingto be staked. They are very light responsive. Notice the tips (upper) left, center, right “tipping-up” within 40 minutes of being staked.
Towards the light
While leaves on both are generally lanceolate in shape, the Neville’s exhibits a slightly larger leaf with longer, more slender fingers.
Neville's Haze & The Doors
The Neville’s has small, delicate flowers at this stage. The Doors has a pronounced domed, multi-pistillate structure.
Neville's Haze & The Doors
Clearly some skunk influence in The Doors. Stouter, stiffer stems, larger leafs, not as stretchy, slightly darker in color, with differentiated petiole color. The difference in flower structure stands out above all else.
So far:
Trimmed the lower branching while taking suitable cuts for clone.
Cutting it close taking clones in 3rd wk. I neglected the short Doors and the very tall sparse NH bc of yield concerns. 80% were cloned. Clone selection based on other factors such as smell, leaf shape, height, fullness, earliness of flower, overall shape of plant, etc.; preferring the taller, skinny leaf, more fuller plants.
Humidity is stable. Water needs has slowed. No disease or pests! Life is good.
Shaka
Mu
I have been trying to follow the “Australia on fire” story. I’ve read of the impact on the koala population. In the process I learned of deadly spiders – redbacks, funnel webs and the creepy huntsman, and snakes –southern death adder, red-bellied black snakes, taipans, brown snakes, tiger snakes, copperheads. Man, I hope they are not seeking shelter in your homes.
@Jake I agree, they are sexy with those long fingers.
As we enter the New Year, it is coincident with week 5 of florescence. It is interesting to observe the accelerated growth of these plants with the light change-over. Recalling those earlier weeks, plants grew accordingly:
Wk 1) 12/9 16”
Wk 2) 12/15 23”
Wk 3) 12/24 35”
Wk 4) 12/31 51”
218% so far and this isn’t the end of it lol.
Before and after
Some observations:
The Neville’s need lesser light to respond. Most of The Doors responded at 12/12.
The Neville’s are generally the taller plants. The Doors are slightly shorter plants which might be better suited to indoor.
Neville's Haze & The Doors
The Neville’s are needingto be staked. They are very light responsive. Notice the tips (upper) left, center, right “tipping-up” within 40 minutes of being staked.
Towards the light
While leaves on both are generally lanceolate in shape, the Neville’s exhibits a slightly larger leaf with longer, more slender fingers.
Neville's Haze & The Doors
The Neville’s has small, delicate flowers at this stage. The Doors has a pronounced domed, multi-pistillate structure.
Neville's Haze & The Doors
Clearly some skunk influence in The Doors. Stouter, stiffer stems, larger leafs, not as stretchy, slightly darker in color, with differentiated petiole color. The difference in flower structure stands out above all else.
So far:
Trimmed the lower branching while taking suitable cuts for clone.
Cutting it close
taking clones in 3rd wk. I neglected the short Doors and the very tall sparse NH bc of yield concerns. 80% were cloned. Clone selection based on other factors such as smell, leaf shape, height, fullness, earliness of flower, overall shape of plant, etc.; preferring the taller, skinny leaf, more fuller plants.Humidity is stable. Water needs has slowed. No disease or pests! Life is good.
Shaka
Mu
Aloha fellow Firewalkers!
@CannaFish and Ronin thank you braddahs!
Yesterday, I found something unusual in my grow room. Beautiful yellow! I eliminated them this morning.
Leucocoprinus birnbaumii
Yesterday
Today
As mentioned in Dkeppel’s thread, I am fascinated by plant expression due to environmental factors. Looking at the different Doors threads that show various Doors pictures, they could be mistaken for different plants coming from different seed packets.
The Doors in my room are looking nice and tidy. Straight up, stiff main stems, distinct flowers close to main stem. The Neville’s is a viny jungle needing to be trained and staked. Elongated stems and secondaries, lots of small flowers and delicate aromas. I plan to take pictures at week 6 to provide comparative pics with Marcus’s 6-week plants.
The Doors look like they will finish in 10 weeks and I hope they will. I am used to most of the Neville’s coming in between 12-14 weeks. Reasonable guesses but I will run them out to verify.
Neville's Haze w slightly shorter Doors in foreground
The Doors
Shaka
Mu
@CannaFish and Ronin thank you braddahs!
Yesterday, I found something unusual in my grow room. Beautiful yellow! I eliminated them this morning.
Leucocoprinus birnbaumii
Yesterday
Today
As mentioned in Dkeppel’s thread, I am fascinated by plant expression due to environmental factors. Looking at the different Doors threads that show various Doors pictures, they could be mistaken for different plants coming from different seed packets.
The Doors in my room are looking nice and tidy. Straight up, stiff main stems, distinct flowers close to main stem. The Neville’s is a viny jungle needing to be trained and staked. Elongated stems and secondaries, lots of small flowers and delicate aromas. I plan to take pictures at week 6 to provide comparative pics with Marcus’s 6-week plants.
The Doors look like they will finish in 10 weeks and I hope they will. I am used to most of the Neville’s coming in between 12-14 weeks. Reasonable guesses but I will run them out to verify.
Neville's Haze w slightly shorter Doors in foreground
The Doors
Shaka
Mu