A very poor way to try and sell seeds imo?
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Big Sur
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You follow me over here like a puppy to this forum after being banned from 420, and now you are in the Down Under Dave Watson Fan Club, eh?
Well, back at you bub.
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Elmer Bud
Banned
G `day BS
Its an Ozzie thang .
We don`t like self promoters or bull shitters .
They get taught lessons while they are young that hopefully cures them of those habits before they become adults .
Thanks for sharin
EB .
Namaskar
Active member
shantibaba
Breeder and moderator
Hi All
well i find some of the apparent knowledge of plants and vague hearsay of stories about Nevil and myself a little weird from some of the members here...and trying to tell gossip once read or apparently heard from reliable sources as truths well it is just weird to hear for me as I have been here the whole time.
It really looks like certain people have their side of a story and that is it....so be it, but please respect the forum and stop with disinformation or opinions or embellishments. If you were not physically there please keep your opinions to yourself as it is just circular discussions otherwise.
While things are as they are and have been at MNS since beginning, we have always been available and online for the growers. Nevil tried to be part of the website for a short time at my request but unfortunately he was not so relaxed with stories nor diplomatic, so we had to end things. However it just does not make logical sense to hear Nevil and I never grew a plant together since we both went from GHSco to begin MNS a long time ago before Nevil went to Australia and under duress. So please keep opinions to oneself when they do not even make sense.
There are certain characters in NL who know the real stories and i never see them enter the discussions to correct things!
Until today we at MNS and CBD crew continue to breed plants and produce seeds both for ourselves and other companies. I know a lot of facts about people that i never met but it cannot or ever can be verified until i spoke directly with those people...so members please understand these things are now 30+ years old and many people are no longer with us...so concentrate on the seed in front of you and do your best with it...the rest will not nor can effect you as if you even had the real cutting in front of you, you would not even know as you have nothing to compare it with from the apparent time of inception...right!
All the best Sb
well i find some of the apparent knowledge of plants and vague hearsay of stories about Nevil and myself a little weird from some of the members here...and trying to tell gossip once read or apparently heard from reliable sources as truths well it is just weird to hear for me as I have been here the whole time.
It really looks like certain people have their side of a story and that is it....so be it, but please respect the forum and stop with disinformation or opinions or embellishments. If you were not physically there please keep your opinions to yourself as it is just circular discussions otherwise.
While things are as they are and have been at MNS since beginning, we have always been available and online for the growers. Nevil tried to be part of the website for a short time at my request but unfortunately he was not so relaxed with stories nor diplomatic, so we had to end things. However it just does not make logical sense to hear Nevil and I never grew a plant together since we both went from GHSco to begin MNS a long time ago before Nevil went to Australia and under duress. So please keep opinions to oneself when they do not even make sense.
There are certain characters in NL who know the real stories and i never see them enter the discussions to correct things!
Until today we at MNS and CBD crew continue to breed plants and produce seeds both for ourselves and other companies. I know a lot of facts about people that i never met but it cannot or ever can be verified until i spoke directly with those people...so members please understand these things are now 30+ years old and many people are no longer with us...so concentrate on the seed in front of you and do your best with it...the rest will not nor can effect you as if you even had the real cutting in front of you, you would not even know as you have nothing to compare it with from the apparent time of inception...right!
All the best Sb
jack hairy
Banned
nevil told me he never grew any plants with you.
i dont know why he would say this if it werent true.
he told me he sent you seeds an told you what you could do with them.
doesnt matter to me, just what he told me.
as far as having a cutting in front of me, and not knowing what to compare it with...
I have the C5 in front of me and can compare it to the jack herer i used to grow.
i would trade the two in a heartbeat.
but i am appreciative that i have it, and maybe with a little work i can find what im looking for in its progeny.
i dont know why he would say this if it werent true.
he told me he sent you seeds an told you what you could do with them.
doesnt matter to me, just what he told me.
as far as having a cutting in front of me, and not knowing what to compare it with...
I have the C5 in front of me and can compare it to the jack herer i used to grow.
i would trade the two in a heartbeat.
but i am appreciative that i have it, and maybe with a little work i can find what im looking for in its progeny.
jack hairy
Banned
also, figured its a good time to mention about clarity in your posts.
a few different words, or the way you link them together, can make a big difference in meaning.
maybe nevil meant he did not grow any of the mns plants with you.
thats not what he said, he said he never grew a plant with you.
im trying to find the email.
it was when you sent me ac pollen that was not good.
i was asking him if he ever sent or received pollen from you.
thats when he said...
but maybe he meant...
you yourself have always said that all plant work has been done by you as nevil was in australia, so its really nothing new.
but the omission of a few words can really skew the interpretation.
a few different words, or the way you link them together, can make a big difference in meaning.
maybe nevil meant he did not grow any of the mns plants with you.
thats not what he said, he said he never grew a plant with you.
im trying to find the email.
it was when you sent me ac pollen that was not good.
i was asking him if he ever sent or received pollen from you.
thats when he said...
but maybe he meant...
you yourself have always said that all plant work has been done by you as nevil was in australia, so its really nothing new.
but the omission of a few words can really skew the interpretation.
Hootigh
Well-known member
Continued breeding
What has been your main focus as of late when it comes to breeding? Is the G13 x Cannatonic idea i was BS'n about going to be a reality?
This line got me to thinking.... It does seem for the THC side of things you've been primarily hitting your old school strains with the AC male. Is there ever a chance there will be an almost walkabout style offered with the AC one day?
Meaning instead of the skunks / dom early finishing males hitting landrace genetics, the AC stud take their place?
What has been your main focus as of late when it comes to breeding? Is the G13 x Cannatonic idea i was BS'n about going to be a reality?
This line got me to thinking.... It does seem for the THC side of things you've been primarily hitting your old school strains with the AC male. Is there ever a chance there will be an almost walkabout style offered with the AC one day?
Meaning instead of the skunks / dom early finishing males hitting landrace genetics, the AC stud take their place?
bluntmassa
Well-known member
Maybe just grow the seeds guys...and be thankful for Nevil and Scotts hard work...S
Right, the whole questioning of genetics is a bit played out. Mr. Nice has been in business for about 20 years now, I would think the genetics have been the same this whole time, even if Arjan didn't let him grab his parents.
The way I see it Greenhouse can't be using the same genetics since it's all fem seeds and it wouldn't matter much after the strains have been pretty good the last 20 years or so. I never seen the point of all the questioning of SSH genetics what Shanti wrote was fine the rumors I don't know who to believe nor do I care the specifics, it's clearly a proven line.
But hey, it's been going on since before I joined this forum and still going strong. Lol, And I still don't know the exact combination or the selection process. Lol, I do know it gets me high.
shantibaba
Breeder and moderator
Hi All
Stories go on become ingrained and embellished and reach legendary status even when one of those involved clearly explain their side. It does not bother me as if it did then i probably would not have survived in this industry so long.
JH, it is correct that Nevil left to Oz many years back and did not get involved in growing or breeding in Europe since we began MNS...well shortly after we began it in 1998...but i sold the GHSco then and he still owned part of a coffeeshop with Arjan, so left a few years later after thing deteriorated with Arjan.
The years prior to MNS when i was in NL was the best time for breeding and strains with many growers and breeders doing a lot of projects together. I referred to this time growing with Nevil when we came up with quite a few new and interesting things...Widow, SSH, Mango Haze, Dr .Kevorkian, El Nino,NH, G13 hybrids etc....However it was many years ago and one day when i go through the papers i kept on breeding...i will publish some hand written notes for posterity.
Till then , the seed of today is what we do and have and while the stories fly around to those who keep it alive, we keep working trying to improve some elements of the CBD crew seeds and MNS products.
If you review public history you will see Dutch Passion introduced the methodology of fem seed into seed production, and CBD crew was the innovators behind CBD seed enrichment . When both these processes began many did not believe they would help or be relevant...fast forward to 2019 it does show patterns of negative beginnings with positive action 10 and 20 years on.
Believe as you wish but make sure you keep growing...all the best Sb
Stories go on become ingrained and embellished and reach legendary status even when one of those involved clearly explain their side. It does not bother me as if it did then i probably would not have survived in this industry so long.
JH, it is correct that Nevil left to Oz many years back and did not get involved in growing or breeding in Europe since we began MNS...well shortly after we began it in 1998...but i sold the GHSco then and he still owned part of a coffeeshop with Arjan, so left a few years later after thing deteriorated with Arjan.
The years prior to MNS when i was in NL was the best time for breeding and strains with many growers and breeders doing a lot of projects together. I referred to this time growing with Nevil when we came up with quite a few new and interesting things...Widow, SSH, Mango Haze, Dr .Kevorkian, El Nino,NH, G13 hybrids etc....However it was many years ago and one day when i go through the papers i kept on breeding...i will publish some hand written notes for posterity.
Till then , the seed of today is what we do and have and while the stories fly around to those who keep it alive, we keep working trying to improve some elements of the CBD crew seeds and MNS products.
If you review public history you will see Dutch Passion introduced the methodology of fem seed into seed production, and CBD crew was the innovators behind CBD seed enrichment . When both these processes began many did not believe they would help or be relevant...fast forward to 2019 it does show patterns of negative beginnings with positive action 10 and 20 years on.
Believe as you wish but make sure you keep growing...all the best Sb
jack hairy
Banned
sounds good, but you should drop in to that other thread in the talk to shanti section, A5 C5 and 5C122, much more interesting conversation than all the time youve spent in this thread. sorry to waste your time thinking you have to respond to any of it but many probably appreciate that you do.
bluntmassa
Well-known member
What's up with the Dr, Kevorkian? Sounds like it will put you to sleep.
Any chance you have an old Greenhouse seeds catalog pre 98? Can't seem to find one anywhere.
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Dkeppel
Active member
I don't know how Shanti keeps his cool, there seems to be a few members on this forum who's sole contribution to any discussion is to try discredit his work.
At every oppertunity these members seem to be demanding proof of the existence of his parent stock or demanding to know every detail of the lineage of his strains.
I have to ask these few, What do you gain from any of this ?
How could photos of for example the Haze C male prove anything ?
Fact is it could be any old haze male, none of you have the original male to compare it too.
End of the day all we can do is grow the seeds and you're rather gonna like what you get or your not end of story.
At every oppertunity these members seem to be demanding proof of the existence of his parent stock or demanding to know every detail of the lineage of his strains.
I have to ask these few, What do you gain from any of this ?
How could photos of for example the Haze C male prove anything ?
Fact is it could be any old haze male, none of you have the original male to compare it too.
End of the day all we can do is grow the seeds and you're rather gonna like what you get or your not end of story.
blowingupjake
Mothership Connection
Amen to that. People focusing on some strange stuff...
I’m as much a fan of cannabis genealogy as the next guy but at some point you just gotta ask yourself if you like what the seeds produce or not.
Skunk Haze is some very very fine weed, for example - I don’t really care what specific cutting served as the Haze parent or the Skunk parent for that matter. It’s good weed and that’s all I’m trying to grow. I do not have any real need to know exactly what created this. I like it, I look forward to using it in my own hybrids. That’s enough for me.
Some of you guys act like you’re curating some grand cannabis information museum... there are inconsistent records because this industry is still on the fringes of acceptance and with that fact remaining you must expect there to be a lot of Haze clouding clear information. (Like the pun?
)Let’s quit trying to define details of a murky history and instead focus on creating a better current era and future for those who follow the path.
This line of questioning has been going for over a decade with no clear answers. I’m ready for some new questions to be asked, aren’t you?
Keep ‘em green, friends.
If we care about diversity, we HAVE to care about lineages and genealogy.
Amen to that. People focusing on some strange stuff...
I’m as much a fan of cannabis genealogy as the next guy but at some point you just gotta ask yourself if you like what the seeds produce or not.
Skunk Haze is some very very fine weed, for example - I don’t really care what specific cutting served as the Haze parent or the Skunk parent for that matter. It’s good weed and that’s all I’m trying to grow. I do not have any real need to know exactly what created this. I like it, I look forward to using it in my own hybrids. That’s enough for me.
Some of you guys act like you’re curating some grand cannabis information museum... there are inconsistent records because this industry is still on the fringes of acceptance and with that fact remaining you must expect there to be a lot of Haze clouding clear information. (Like the pun?
Let’s quit trying to define details of a murky history and instead focus on creating a better current era and future for those who follow the path.
This line of questioning has been going for over a decade with no clear answers. I’m ready for some new questions to be asked, aren’t you?
Keep ‘em green, friends.
jack hairy
Banned
small minded people only worry about the here and now.
and now is the time that you may be able to get answers and clarification for any of this.
generally i like what the seeds have been producing, yet im still growing more seeds because i havent found anything that is good enough.
Maybe some of you could care less what haze parent was used here or there...
others would like to know this information. its information about seeds you paid for.
and its information that may determine whether you keep paying for those seeds or find some other seeds to pay for. or to just work with your own seeds and not pay for any more.
there are inconsistant records because many of these people have been lying, and it was accepted while in the underground, black market. who you going to complain to?
but this is a new era, and if you havent looked around, maybe you should.
it really not hard to say this plant is a cross of this and this.
thats all anyone expects.
then they can look up the this, and see what made it, and so on.
not everything shanti says is to be taken as the gospel, unless you have no mind of your own.
let me remind some of you of the information that was extracted like pulling teeth.
youre welcome.
and now is the time that you may be able to get answers and clarification for any of this.
generally i like what the seeds have been producing, yet im still growing more seeds because i havent found anything that is good enough.
Maybe some of you could care less what haze parent was used here or there...
others would like to know this information. its information about seeds you paid for.
and its information that may determine whether you keep paying for those seeds or find some other seeds to pay for. or to just work with your own seeds and not pay for any more.
there are inconsistant records because many of these people have been lying, and it was accepted while in the underground, black market. who you going to complain to?
but this is a new era, and if you havent looked around, maybe you should.
it really not hard to say this plant is a cross of this and this.
thats all anyone expects.
then they can look up the this, and see what made it, and so on.
not everything shanti says is to be taken as the gospel, unless you have no mind of your own.
let me remind some of you of the information that was extracted like pulling teeth.
youre welcome.
bluntmassa
Well-known member
I guess I'm small minded. I do kind of want to see the Greenhouse catolalog around 98 though. Lol, Dr. Kevorkian sounds more interesting than the Haze c/a. If I breed with Haze I'm going to choose the best plants I find regardless of A or C.
I'm sure both A and C are pretty good but what I get in the seed is what really matters. Of course, nothing ever does seem good enough, true you find a great plant and smoke nothing but it for over a week it gets boring, I don't care what strain it is. Variety is the true spice of life.
I'm sure both A and C are pretty good but what I get in the seed is what really matters. Of course, nothing ever does seem good enough, true you find a great plant and smoke nothing but it for over a week it gets boring, I don't care what strain it is. Variety is the true spice of life.
jack hairy
Banned
then you havent found a good plant yet.
you find a good one, and you will not want to waste space with anything else.
maybe after a few years you will start to wonder what other weed was like, and grow small amounts for variety of flavor.
dr kevorkian is a haze.
when shanti sells me some seeds that produce better plants than i have gotten from bagseed, then ill worship him like some of you seem to.
until then he is just a guy that grows weed and seeds just like the rest of us.
you find a good one, and you will not want to waste space with anything else.
maybe after a few years you will start to wonder what other weed was like, and grow small amounts for variety of flavor.
dr kevorkian is a haze.
when shanti sells me some seeds that produce better plants than i have gotten from bagseed, then ill worship him like some of you seem to.
until then he is just a guy that grows weed and seeds just like the rest of us.