A very poor way to try and sell seeds imo?

bluntmassa said:
Definitely the worst thing about Shantibaba not working new lines is Greenhouse is probably going to surpass MNS. Aryan claims to be growing tens of thousands of plants in the Congo for breeding of course he's partnered or owned by Canopy Growth Corporation worth $36 billion dollars.

The worst thing IMO is all the best breeding work is going to be done by assholes like Arjan and DNA who will not make regular seeds.

Would be great if we had some people breeding plants in tens of thousands for regular seeds. CBD Crew is great and all but that's mostly feminized seeds too.

But it is what it is MNS will always have good plants to start breeding with, it's just up to us to bring it further cause I don't want to be forced to buy fem seeds from Canopy Growth Corporation or Phylyos.
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i thought 36 billion was bs so i googled them and found this = Canopy Growth net worth as of July 29, 2019 is $12.04B @
https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/CGC/canopy-growth/net-worth

now, based on all the misinformation that stays on these various boards and then gets rehashed by new folks who just jumped in the community all i have to say is get your facts right before u post.

this company's value doesn't matter to me. i just used the bad info as an example that usually happens when discussing strains on these boards.
after over a decade o checking the scene out and being involved in various but limited ways it's sad now. i see why so many good growers just say fuck this nonsense and go ghost/lurk and no longer share 411/skillz. a comrade told me "it's not the same site he came to and enjoyed..." so that's why he hasn't been AROUND. no i still can't type. :rolleyes:
 
Hi All

the hype attached to investment companies who only are acquiring parts of other companies and parts of other companies who are licenced in their respective countries is to add so called value by collaborating and teaming up. Take a look at the income and sales per year of the big 10 companies and you will understand they are not the real companies producing products or growing or extracting with brands....well not presently.

As for new strains and new lines we at MNS and CBDcrew have been working hard quietly and have customized certain strains for certain companies the past 10 years. In fact show me new breeds not only selected clone mothers and feminized seed strains which are not using males or breeding to reproduce....because i tried a few and did not find anything new at all.

As for companies based on coffeeshop sales, and propaganda and advertising there will never be a threat of being surpassed on breeding. Companies from NL at best are sending their fem or auto seed bought in to countries in Africa like Morocco etc...not to find new lines but to make hashish of specific strains for sale in NL. Their interest lies not in innovation, but repetition and regurgitation of already popular named strains...they have not really been at the forefront of breeding since the 90s imo...so having more money to do more will not necessarily mean better work.

Here at MNS and CBD crew we have decided to only work in house with all our brother and sister companies...that is why it may seem we are not putting much forward in new lines currently. However it is due to the fact we have always done this in the passed and all it achieved was poor copies in general from companies only capitalizing on a generic name...using doubt and time to prove cultivation as their buffering agent and to pull the wool over the eyes of many. For me other companies can do 10s of thousands of seeds but when you never knew what to breed for in the first place it will remain like a person looking at a plant intently but not seeing it! Money and shares will not change how skills are acquired and learned through trials and tribulations. It can entice those with skills to share their knowledge and time but like the things we value most in life ...love respect integrity knowledge courage...these do not get purchased with money.
 
much like if you dont know how good haze hybrids could be, you dont know to keep looking because the average ive seen is nothing special. well its still nice but not at the level most people are looking for.

Shanti, have you grown/smoked / or bred with any cookies derived lines?
i would be curious to hear what mns strains may be similar, or equal, as you say all youve achieved is poor copies...

i like haze but i have no problem saying that with all the mns strains i have, the cookies derived strain is one of the strongest and tastiest plants i have at the moment.
i would love to know if there was an mns strain that could do better.
if there isnt, maybe mns could do better?

what strains did you try that you didnt find anything new at all in?
 
There are almost as many Cookies strains out there as Haze strains.

I've heard everything from mongy high to fantastic. So again, the proof is in the plants, not the names.
 
i dont really keep an eye out on cbd crew stuff, i like to get high.
i have tried just a few cbd plants, and didnt like them but it may have just been the strain.
i have some other cbd seeds that are sitting around somewhere, not too high on my list.
i do think it would be interesting to smoke that cbd cookie, see if it smokes similar to the thc version.
If i was going to buy a cbd strain, that is going to be the one, thank for pointing that out.

so now that we know shanti has had his hands on some newer genetics that came from other sources, it would be interesting to hear how he thinks they compare.
what strains does mns offer that are similar to, or better than, the popular strains around today?

Also, why not have an mns version of og kush, girl scout cookies, gorrilla glue, etc...?
shanti will sit here and say others are not doing it right with the way they are breeding, so why doesnt mns do it right?
get genetics from the best source you can and work with them.
 
Namaskar said:
Goeie môre

Haze has the lineage of Colombian x Thai x Kerala.No Mex in it.
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According to whom? 99% of the claims of the genetics in Haze is pure conjecture and fabrication. Watson has stated that Haze was a Mexican x Colombian, then re-crossed with another Colombian. I do not believe anything that Watson claims, but in this case he would be the only 'authority' on this one.
 
The origins of Haze

Its amusing to look at what Sam_Skunkman has posted about Haze, and all the contradictions involved. He told me once (in a reply on IcyRag before I was banned there) that he smoked Haze going back to 1969, and that it kicked Big Sur Holy Weed ass. He also (acc'd to Nevil) told Nevil that Haze was a 1969 strain. Then he counters that in this post, where he says that he personally bred Haze seeds only after 1976. Presumably when he was the top dog breeder at the mythical Sacred Seeds.

This from IcyRag in 2008:

You do not have first hand anything as none of the people at MNSeeds were even around when I showed Neville his first Original Haze, he had never seen it before, he told me so, it was in 84, and Shantibaba was not even in Holland. I like Shantibaba and he just does not know the facts because he was not here, and/or he has been misled by others.
As for anyone (if I got this right) implying that Original Haze clones from 1969 are used, and alive, that is plain insane, there are no Cannabis clones from 1969, that is for sure. But maybe he meant seeds from 1969? And not grown until the 80's? To be honest I do not know, except the only Original Haze seeds sold prior to the 80's were mine, That I made after 1976. One way or another something is not correct about the 1969 date, and that is what you are going on. As far as I know all Nevilles work with Haze was from Original Haze he got from me, thats what he told me anyway, back in the 80's.

-SamS
 
jack hairy said:
somewhere he posted recently that it was three different columbians, a gold, a mauve and a punto rojo.
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That is funny. He has also posted that it had Thai and Ganja genetics in it. I will dig through his contradictions for the parentage of Haze. Its as convoluted as his ever changing stories about the Haze Bros, and his dealings with Nevil.
 
im growing some original haze and NH x Mango now, just seedlings atm.
its interesting to see how the OH have hairy stems and the NH x M do not, maybe a couple do, but not the same.
 
Here is some pure fiction from Watson... as he likes to tell people, "you were not there!" Well, *I was there*. The only thing called 'purple haze' was the batch of LSD made for the Monterey Pop Festival in June, 1967. If this weed was "around" then, I and my army of dope smoking friends and family would have known about it. We never saw or smoked anything called Haze. Here he reverts to the Haze strain being from the late 1960s...

Yes Purple Original haze was absolutely a reality. It was around for more then a decade in the late 60's , 70's, and from then on in the form of hybrids. It came in silver, blue, reddish, as well as purple, and almost black. I grew, smoked, saw them all. They were real.

-SamS
 
Maybe he was being clever and branding his seeds as Original Haze vs haze. Nevil put in the effort to run a lot of 15-year-old seeds in 1984 that Watson probably didn't bother with, because he had cuts of something he called Original Haze. Nevil found the gems, Watson didn't. He's always been jealous.

A new little tidbit on the haze lore: I had a brief conversation with a very reputable grower / breeder on IG after I posted some punto rojo pics and used the hashtag #hazearchetype. His mother grew up with the catalyst for the haze project, who moved to Santa Cruz from Delaware. She stayed in touch with him and "the boys." When she smoked a CBG punto rojo selection he grew she said it immediately struck her as the real haze. He thinks a couple of the boys are still alive, one lives in Mexico and another lives in LA. He keeps a low profile on this because he doesn't want to get caught up in the internet bullshit about haze. Seemed like credible information from a credible source to me.
 
Big Sur said:
Here is some pure fiction from Watson... as he likes to tell people, "you were not there!" Well, *I was there*. The only thing called 'purple haze' was the batch of LSD made for the Monterey Pop Festival in June, 1967. If this weed was "around" then, I and my army of dope smoking friends and family would have known about it. We never saw or smoked anything called Haze. Here he reverts to the Haze strain being from the late 1960s...

Yes Purple Original haze was absolutely a reality. It was around for more then a decade in the late 60's , 70's, and from then on in the form of hybrids. It came in silver, blue, reddish, as well as purple, and almost black. I grew, smoked, saw them all. They were real.

-SamS
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G `day BS

Back to the I didn`t see it so it didn`t happen trip eh ?

Dude there is a reason people keep things on the DL .

Where I live there are estimated 1 thousand growers and dealers . I know about 3 . The other 997 don`t let on to people ...

I think its ignorant to think because you never saw it , it didn`t happen .

Thanks for sharin

EB .
 
Its never ending. The question will never be answered. I guess just be thankful that haze exists ...S
 
Hi All

This from IcyRag in 2008:

You do not have first hand anything as none of the people at MNSeeds were even around when I showed Neville his first Original Haze, he had never seen it before, he told me so, it was in 84, and Shantibaba was not even in Holland. I like Shantibaba and he just does not know the facts because he was not here, and/or he has been misled by others.
As for anyone (if I got this right) implying that Original Haze clones from 1969 are used, and alive, that is plain insane, there are no Cannabis clones from 1969, that is for sure. But maybe he meant seeds from 1969? And not grown until the 80's? To be honest I do not know, except the only Original Haze seeds sold prior to the 80's were mine, That I made after 1976. One way or another something is not correct about the 1969 date, and that is what you are going on. As far as I know all Nevilles work with Haze was from Original Haze he got from me, thats what he told me anyway, back in the 80's.

-SamS


Well just to make it clear and official to all, Nevil told me the seeds he busted were from as old as 1969, but these were germinated in mid to late 80s. When i began working with Nevil in early 90s we cracked several batches and breed SSH and Mango Haze from the pedigree winners ....I still have the original notes written by Nevil and am going through alot of old paperwork to make it public one day.

All the best Sb
 
thats cool.

one thing that we might never know is if nevil got original seed or seed that sam made
nevil could have been confused, or remembered it wrong, or mislead by sam.
maybe the 67-70 bags of seeds were reproductions of those years of seed made by sam.
or maybe they were the originals. Im inclined to believe what nevil said/thought vs sam, as we see he does not tell the truth...
 
Elmer Bud said:
G `day BS

Back to the I didn`t see it so it didn`t happen trip eh ?

Dude there is a reason people keep things on the DL .

Where I live there are estimated 1 thousand growers and dealers . I know about 3 . The other 997 don`t let on to people ...

I think its ignorant to think because you never saw it , it didn`t happen .

Thanks for sharin

EB .
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Yes true...
however, it seems that he is talking about a product that circulated freely, present on the market... not something that was only available to a small lucky clique
 
even a few hundred pounds would disperse into the market without many people ever seeing it. especially if you did not know the people who had it.
 
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