The True Origins of Haze- BigHerb's Article

[Hemphrey Bogart]

I was starting to really dislike this thread, then HHF came in and made it alright. Dude, those pics...I mean, damn. Just awesome! Thank you so much for coming on and posting those.

I hope you decide to stick around. Don't let the occasional argument keep you from this place. As you can see, this site is chock full of passionate growers and history buffs.

Keep em coming, HHF!

HB.

 

[HHF]

I hope you stick around and wish you get a chance to rock some MM from down under...

Peace brother. I don't want to grow it, I'm so fully booked with jobs for years to come to take on others.

hank you so much for coming on and posting those.

No problem, very pleased you enjoy. I figured some here would enjoy them, really is a step back in time, and also its a step forward. Back to the future.

I hope you decide to stick around. Don't let the occasional argument keep you from this place. As you can see, this site is chock full of passionate growers and history buffs.

Ha, I've done all the arguing I'll ever do on forums way back when I did not know better. I really just dropped by to ask Jesse something, but well, who knows. I breed seed so its a little tricky in someone else house (shantis) I'm not out to spam, its a fine line.

Peaceout! HHF

 

[bushweed]

Who's familiar with geography? Would we describe Mexican landraces as north American?

 

[hempy]

If 1000 people read this article 1000 of them would say there are 2 Haze Brother breeders and 3 Haze Brother sellers. This is accepted lore.
One person has decided to entertain us with a structural flaw in reading comprehension, or so he wanted us to believe. The above quote must of been between haze refueling. OMG! He is playing us and the above quote verifies that Hempy knows he is WRONG! Guess the old saying is true: Give somebody enough rope.......................-bk

You guys really amaze me the truth is slapping you all in the face and just like Ostridges you all go with the option of sticking your heads in the sand and just ignore the facts that are steering you all in the face sad.

HHF good to see you the pics posted are not haze tho mate there just old school sativas non dutch lines in short that were grown in many locations around the world California and Australia to name just 2 places that had them lines and more and i am sure still live on in older growers gardens today.

These lines were never worshiped or seen as any thing other than good smoke in the early days and yet today most see them as mythical lines when they were not mate they were as common as sk1 is in todays canna Sean and any old smoker grower would say the same thing as i am if there being honest and in fact grew back then.

Haze is a a line that came from unknown growers some were in California and the only person who has any real information on these guys like it or not is Sam the skunk man he for years he sed there were 2 haze brothers then he sed he was the 3rd haze brother years later now after big article there is a 4th being G sorry i dont bye any of it any longer.

We cant call any sativa haze if thats the case then i have pure haze lines to so does every man and his dog here alone.

The only real credible information relating to haze that can be verified like it or not is from the point Sam and Neville germinated the haze seed selected and then made hybridized haze lines preserving it and nothing else before this point matters any longer or can it be verified as fact.

No one knows what haze is and there all guessing also fact.

For years all i see is some from California pushing this myth that California was the only place were these exotic line were grown and congregated a lie as we had then here also and i am sure many other places did to.

But California did the breeding really ? well the real work was done in Europe and like it or not if those in Amsterdam did not do what they did lines like haze would not be spreed far and wide as it is today they would be extinct face the facts.

All most care about now is ego or $ or both.

 

[Chana Masala]

I guess I am seeing sat vs. hz. But I always believe, imho, that hz is poly inbreed sat lines. From two or three regions of the world. Being brought together by a culture in Cali. Wouldn't that be the same for the Mullumby Madness. All that smuggled weed, just inbreed to many other lines of smullgled sat lines.

Didn't Nevil select Hz. So he just improved and perseved. Thank you Nev. No Man can take credit for creating it. Sam brought it to the Dam... and we already know way to much about G, RL and J. I think HHF made a point, that BEL had it beofre L,M,N,O, and P.

So anyway, before you go scarying away other people, can we just be cool and keep the wheels turning here. At least for a few more minutes. Whilst some us like hearing other peoples opinions.

Thanks,

CM

 

[Chana Masala]

Who's familiar with geography? Would we describe Mexican landraces as north American?

Depends on who you are asking, lmao!!!

 

[hempy]

I guess I am seeing sat vs. hz. But I always believe, imho, that hz is poly inbreed sat lines. From two or three regions of the world. Being brought together by a culture in Cali. Wouldn't that be the same for the Mullumby Madness. All that smuggled weed, just inbreed to many other lines of smullgled sat lines.

Didn't Nevil select Hz. So he just improved and perseved. Thank you Nev. No Man can take credit for creating it. Sam brought it to the Dam... and we already know way to much about G, RL and J. I think HHF made a point, that BEL had it beofre L,M,N,O, and P.

So anyway, before you go scarying away other people, can we just be cool and keep the wheels turning here. At least for a few more minutes. Whilst some us like hearing other peoples opinions.

Thanks,

CM

What your seeing is people for decades trying to ride the tail coat of a line called haze and making a line into a legend to make a name and money from it even if they dont hold the real deal.

The mullum in the early days up until i last saw it never had the hype around it as it was just good pot you had to be lucky to get it and know people close to the source as they that grew it were smokers sure some got sold but most got smoked.

There was no posters or was there hype with it ether.

Even African black panama red columbines Acapulco gold and all the rest was not hyped it was good or it was not.

The Australia cannabis rating system GOOD / OKAY / SHIT very simple and honest.

 

[Chana Masala]

Hempy, I get it mate...

I even take your thought further.

The spice route... those are the the real heros of sat and indy lines and diversification. Even the little birds and rodents that enjoy themselves some good seed... moving forward. Seems to be Nevil and the guys from your part that seem to be keeping the dream going...

Yes brother, I hate hacks too. But what can you do. See them, and know where they are. Nobody is endorsing lines here mate.

Anyway, I think if more people get an opportunity to travel, this special characteristic is not that hard to find, and not just limited to having origin in Cali. But who am I. I have been very lucky to travel many parts of the world... so I keep the faith, having smoked hz before and now in my garden thanks to guys like N and Tom.

I am just saying, you can not get the final world on something that is ever changing, and what now seems harder to come by in a breeders 10 pack.

I have some MM, I got gifted. To tell you the truth. I am SCARED to even attempt it indoors...

CM

[EDIT] Just got news that the MM, I mentioned are MMx's or OldMotherSativa.

 

[HHF]

HHF good to see you the pics posted are not haze tho mate

Hi Hempy, Good to see you.

I'm not saying they are haze, it is clearly labeled what they are. Just interesting to see pre seedbank stuff well presented. There is not many decent pics of plants from the time. Hazey days.

As you say, one can speculate for ever on what comprises Haze that came to Holland and I cant debate the best/worst, Cannabis is far to subjective for that. We have different opinions, and agreed to disagree a long time back.

Even African black panama red columbines Acapulco gold and all the rest was not hyped it was good or it was not.

Right on.

We are saying more or less the same things, from different sides, I'll take my leave as I posted the pics as they are pleasing to my eye. Shared. Done did not drop by to stir things up.

Take care, all the best.
Peace, HHF

 

[hempy]

Hi Hempy, Good to see you.

I'm not saying they are haze, it is clearly labeled what they are. Just interesting to see pre seedbank stuff well presented. There is not many decent pics of plants from the time. Hazey days.

As you say, one can speculate for ever on what comprises Haze that came to Holland and I cant debate the best/worst, Cannabis is far to subjective for that. We have different opinions, and agreed to disagree a long time back.



Right on.

We are saying more or less the same things, from different sides, I'll take my leave as I posted the pics as they are pleasing to my eye. Shared. Done did not drop by to stir things up.

Take care, all the best.
Peace, HHF

hi hhf well i have grow plants from non dutch lines like Thai very old school and few showed any real interest most just criticized them and me for them being grown indoors even if it was 14 ft from tip to bucket and yielded a pound or over cured.

what most care about is hype and then we have those that lap up the hype and lies dont we.

HHF there is nothing to debate mate the truth is the truth and if people seek to debate or distort the truth it is often because they have something to gain from doing so.

I am not saying you came here to stir any thing up mate your allowed to say what ever you feel like saying thats the buety of free speech there is no restrictions on telling the truth as other sites we both know seek to hide the truth as it does not sell seed.

 

[Chana Masala]

At lest I can say thanks to BigHerb for making the article. Like him, we are younger so we try to eat at the table without spoons and forks.

I think HHF set the record straight with those pictures. There is always going to be another record or story.

Hempy, in all those sat lines HHF posted (how many people here saved those to their harddrive?!?!,lol) that you can honestly beleive not one of those smoked like hz?

Most people are accustom to indy dom plants, lets say the average poplulation. Later years HzC plays huge roll in the eveloution of breeding and what other effects one can get from ganja... but most people in my parts cant appreciate NH or MangoHz. I have smoked dozens of people NH, and you know what happens, they dont understand the high, or the complexity. No to mentnion, they either just finsihed a rocket of a hz hybrid or they will finish the NH and quickly roll up some kush.

So you got to find people who at least appreciate what you are talking about first.

I find cannabis no matter how good, is like a good vintage port. After your second glass, the rest all become blury. Which brings me to Theo Saki, who is a bartender that serves drinks without alcohol to patrons that are already drunk. And you know mate, most of those people would tell Saki that the drinks were great even though there was no moonshine in their glass. Saki would just smile, nod and ask how they liked their drinks...

LMFAO!!!

Take care all,

CM

 

[matthewriot]

photos = straight to the hard drive =)

 

[hempy]

At lest I can say thanks to BigHerb for making the article. Like him, we are younger so we try to eat at the table without spoons and forks.

I think HHF set the record straight with those pictures. There is always going to be another record or story.

Hempy, in all those sat lines HHF posted (how many people here saved those to their harddrive?!?!,lol) that you can honestly beleive not one of those smoked like hz?

Most people are accustom to indy dom plants, lets say the average poplulation. Later years HzC plays huge roll in the eveloution of breeding and what other effects one can get from ganja... but most people in my parts cant appreciate NH or MangoHz. I have smoked dozens of people NH, and you know what happens, they dont understand the high, or the complexity. No to mentnion, they either just finsihed a rocket of a hz hybrid or they will finish the NH and quickly roll up some kush.

So you got to find people who at least appreciate what you are talking about first.

I find cannabis no matter how good, is like a good vintage port. After your second glass, the rest all become blury. Which brings me to Theo Saki, who is a bartender that serves drinks without alcohol to patrons that are already drunk. And you know mate, most of those people would tell Saki that the drinks were great even though there was no moonshine in their glass. Saki would just smile, nod and ask how they liked their drinks...

LMFAO!!!

Take care all,

CM

With all due respect how is HHF even part of the haze story as the only 2 people with any relevance to the haze story like it or not is Sam and Neville time you all relies this and what contribution did hhf add.

I dont care how many saved them pictures HHF posted i didn't as i saw and smoke things like that or them my self no big deal from were i sit.

When are you people going to wake up and smell the cannabis honestly its become silly.

Each and every line HHF posted smokes different not one of then lines smoked a like and do i even need to explane this to you guys i thort you would know this your selfs.

So how do they smoke like haze ?.

Even Neville sed the early batch of haze seed were the best after the 60s the haze seed lot were very different less potent any part of that you lot dont understand so we can move forward ?.

I can tell you the closest thing to haze i have smoked has been Thais as a pure line and as a unknown line it was tripping weed and then the mullum .

Do you think south American lines have that electric acid type high nope they did not very strong highs but different to Thais.

 

[b0b_b1tch1n]

come on hempy , do you hear yourself ? you DONT know who had any relevance to haze back then and even before sam and nevil , there was no internet and no mns forum back then for anyone to come online and say hey i just smoked some "haze" wanna see a pic of it

maybe HHF WAS smokeing haze back then and before sam sold some seed to nev , the FACT is that you dont know , you cant know , you should not be shooting off your mouth like you do know

please hempy for the love of God and Haze could you please give it a rest as none of your arguement has anything or any relevance to the original thread topic

peace

EDIT : you say the closest thing to "haze" you smoked was thai , i wasnt aware you smoked "haze" , so you actually smoked "haze" before finally getting to smoke nevils "haze hybrids" ? , wait , havent you said you didnt smoke "haze" before 2002 ? , things dont add up , could you clairify where you got this "haze" ? and when ? and how does it compair to nevils haze offerings ?

thanks in advance

 

[matthewriot]

Im just bummed anyone is turning this article written by Herb into a reason to fight. Even B0b and I can get along up in this bitch, ANYONE can =)

 

[Chana Masala]

Hempy why are you so angry all the time mate.

We are all friends here. So you dont need to be so mad all the time.

No waking up mate. Baking up.

Well Mr Hempy, I tell you thai stick has that incense aroma, which from my own experince, is also found in hz. It also has an electircal soaring high. Which in my experience is also found in hz. It also last for many hours, which is also found in hz... so what are you talking about mate?

I smoked three varities when there. Two later learning from Loas. The last one verifyed as from the northern region, Chiang Mai to be exact.

But what HHF did by posting those pics, is showed that BEL was doing before, others. These are riders man... so I am not sure they are looking to much for promotion back then. I am sure they made the posters for their own liking... but that would just be a guess...

Anyway, you are going to sit there and tell me that you cant smoke hzhybrid and find a pheno that has a hz leaning??? Your comment is larfable...

Also, you didn't comment on my theo saki story, man! Give me a laugh...

Peace Mr. Hempy

CM

 

[b0b_b1tch1n]

Im just bummed anyone is turning this article written by Herb into a reason to fight. Even B0b and I can get along up in this bitch, ANYONE can =)

dont make me troll ur ass

i dont think anyone wants to fight in here , i think everyone is just trying to talk sense into hempy so he can stop trashing this thread and big

peace

 

[coop]

Do you think south American lines have that electric acid type high nope they did not very strong highs but different to Thais.

come on now have you ever smoked any Mexican herb?

 

[hempy]

come on hempy , do you hear yourself ? you DONT know who had any relevance to haze back then and even before sam and nevil , there was no internet and no mns forum back then for anyone to come online and say hey i just smoked some "haze" wanna see a pic of it

maybe HHF WAS smokeing haze back then and before sam sold some seed to nev , the FACT is that you dont know , you cant know , you should not be shooting off your mouth like you do know

please hempy for the love of God and Haze could you please give it a rest as none of your arguement has anything or any relevance to the original thread topic

peace

Bob i know what i am typing here and the truth is the truth no matter how people try to deflect it.

Why is it every one has a right to post and yet because i am posting what set people dont want to see typed they get there panties in a twist its part of the experience mate the truth will only set us all free .

I know who HHF is bob and i said nothing about whether or not hhf was smoking haze odds are he didn't until after Sam and Neville offered it and what i pointed out was that those pictures hhf posted were just sativa varieties and not haze varieties.

So why do my posts hold no relevance to this topic and how did you come to that conclusion bob yet i am the one that showed the holes in bigs story and Sam's story and proved it all lies and i showed that the only part to this haze story that can be tracked and proven and believed is from the point Neville and Sam germinated and grew the haze seed out.

 

[b0b_b1tch1n]

Bob i know what i am typing here and the truth is the truth no matter how people try to deflect it.

Why is it every one has a right to post and yet because i am posting what set people dont want to see typed they get there panties in a twist its part of the experience mate the truth will only set us all free .

I know who HHF is bob and i said nothing about whether or not hhf was smoking haze odds are he didn't until after Sam and Neville offered it and what i pointed out was that those pictures hhf posted were just sativa varieties and not haze varieties.

So why do my posts hold no relevance to this topic and how did you come to that conclusion bob yet i am the one that showed the holes in bigs story and Sam's story and proved it all lies and i showed that the only part to this haze story that can be tracked and proven and believed is from the point Neville and Sam germinated and grew the haze seed out.

no hempy , this is where you are wrong , you are talking about history that happened AFTER the history bigs artical was about , thats why it is looking like everyone is against you yet again , the confusion is yours my friend

peace