The True Origins of Haze- BigHerb's Article

[hempy]

Hempy why are you so angry all the time mate.

We are all friends here. So you dont need to be so mad all the time.

No waking up mate. Baking up.

Well Mr Hempy, I tell you thai stick has that incense aroma, which from my own experince, is also found in hz. It also has an electircal soaring high. Which in my experience is also found in hz. It also last for many hours, which is also found in hz... so what are you talking about mate?

I smoked three varities when there. Two later learning from Loas. The last one verifyed as from the northern region, Chiang Mai to be exact.

But what HHF did by posting those pics, is showed that BEL was doing before, others. These are riders man... so I am not sure they are looking to much for promotion back then. I am sure they made the posters for their own liking... but that would just be a guess...

Anyway, you are going to sit there and tell me that you cant smoke hzhybrid and find a pheno that has a hz leaning??? Your comment is larfable...

Also, you didn't comment on my theo saki story, man! Give me a laugh...

Peace Mr. Hempy

CM

Do you guys realize i have been growing Thai and many other pure sativas since 79 out doors and then in now back to out doors and i have smoked thinks like African black and many more lines you guys talk about like mythical unicorns and yet you all treat me like i am some fool that just crawled out from under a rock why is that.

No matter what i do if i grow and fully document pure Thai i am still ridiculed and questioned by people that have not even smoked Thai what is wrong with you people.

I never ever sed i know it all but by Christ i know a lot more than most of you posting in this site and i never ever lie and yet i am disrespected and treated as if all my information is bull shit and yet a guy like big whos never done a grow thread or posted a plant picture is treated like a canna expert why is this.

Its just to much to expect to be treated as an equal by most of you.

Understand this i value and believe in the truth and if that hurts your mates feeling or peoples seed sale tuff .

 

[b0b_b1tch1n]

Do you guys realize i have been growing Thai and many other pure sativas since 79 out doors and then in now back to out doors and i have smoked thinks like African black and many more lines you guys talk about like mythical unicorns and yet you all treat me like i am some fool that just crawled out from under a rock why is that.

No matter what i do if i grow and fully document pure Thai i am still ridiculed and questioned by people that have not even smoked Thai what is wrong with you people.

I never ever sed i know it all but by Christ i know a lot more than most of you posting in this site and i never ever lie and yet i am disrespected and treated as if all my information is bull shit and yet a guy like big whos never done a grow thread or posted a plant picture is treated like a canna expert why is this.

Understand this i value and believe in the truth and if that hurts your mates feeling or peoples seed sale tuff .

hey hempy could you do me a favor m8 ?

could you give this thread a bit of a rest and go grab me any posts of yours from before a week or 2 ago where you mentioned African black ?

i never noticed you mention it before it was mentioned by someone else in a thread here in the last week or so

thanks in advance m8

peace

 

[Chana Masala]

Hempy you are preaching to the wrong audience here mate.

I give you respect for all those long flowering plants you grow indoors... but hey, when is the last time you grew out exodus cheese or the pre 98 bubba kush. You know lots Mr. Hempy, but to think you are the master is far fetched.

So, by friends, I mean the membership, so you are calling anyone that does not acknowledge your dedication is larfable.

No disrespect, from any of the last post of today here from me or anyone else for that matter.

Most of us are all solitary when it comes to growing, so this for me this is way to get out a little bit.

I also dont doubt you and your ability but maybe you can get an oppertunity and go meet some of those locals that have been growing those thai seeds out since the late 70's. I am sure you will see it from a more world perspective. Also Thailand is big and there are many pockets. Also to think that all the thai you have grown is 100% thai in orgin is also larfable. If you read my post early two of three varieites were in Loas. You also got vietnam, camobida, KLM... you got to have a bigger scope, and to think your thai is really that, especially never bringing the seeds back yourself, is just speculation.

As for the seed co business. I am not sure I know what you mean. Any seeds, I have grown out, are all documented here.

Anyway, thanks for being a human, and not taking it all to serioulsy. I am learning. I think that is what we are all trying to do. Some of us will even be lucky and get a chance to work with rare plants. If that is the case, remember, be humble you had a chance to work with them... so maybe you should share the plant now... I mean you going to take all those lines to the grave with you!

We are all not hacks in this game. I grow medicine, and yes, I do sell the surplus to make a living.

Everything else is gravy...

You want another drink?

Lol,

Off to water the garden!

CM

 

[hempy]

Funny, I still know them and they both said point blank no way.
BTW One of the Haze Bros spent all of the 80's & 90's in Mexico retired, the other Haze grower had quit growing Original Haze in 1980 because he found Skunk #1 easier to grow. Niether ever made large batches of seeds, and as far as I know neither had any Original Haze seeds left by the early 1980's when Neville got them from the Haze Bros??? And they both clearly said they did not sell Neville anything, or even meet him.

Remember that Shantibaba was not around when Neville claimed to get Original Haze Seeds from the Haze Bros, he may well have been told this by Neville but it does not make it true. Neville has been know to bend the truth more then once, and has lied to me more then once, when it was to his advantage.

-SamS

It is absurd that neville said he got 1969 O Haze seeds from the Haze Bros.
#1 Neville first traveled to USA in 86 or 87 at the earliest, the main Haze Brother, R was gone, retired in Mexico by 82 he did not come back for 10 years. He was the one that created O Haze. The second Haze Brother J quit growing O Haze about 1980 and only grew Skunk #1 after that, until he became a reborn christian, then he quit growing, and anyway recently he told me he never met Neville and he certainly did not sell any Haze seeds to him or anyone else ever.
#2 The Haze Bros had a falling out in the late 70's and stopped talking to one another, for certain they did not sell seeds as the Haze Bros to anyone, it is ridiculous as well as impossible.
Lets be honest Neville got the seeds from me, but he had promised me that he would not make pure Haze and sell them as such, I told him it was fine to make Haze hybrids with other varieties that were not mine.
He broke his word and started selling Haze pure and hybrids with my varieties, and I stopped working with him.
Maybe he lied to avoid the problems that accompany breaking your word? I can not say, but I know Neville did not meet the Haze Bros and did not get any O Haze seeds from them. Both the Haze Bros were close friends of mine and both were close neighbors for years, J lived a few hundred meters from my house until he departed to Mexico.

-SamS

Originally posted by Bigherb
I always tell the truth an the truth is this is the story that was shared with me from the fella who gifted me the poster an enlightened me about the 3 brothers from back east .

The topic of this post is The True Origins of Haze

Well your answer is Sam and Neville because nothing after this time in history can be proven or verified i am sorry but bigs story's a lie every haze article has been a lie fancy saying a guy you met on line and spoke to on a phone is a credible source.

Then you use a guy that you sed is not credible being Sam to then back your article and say his then credible as thats whats happened.

No one knows whats in haze and or ever will.

Go read the haze post at icmag you will see Sam in that post alone change his story more than once.

So thats it move one talk about things you know about and can verifies like the plants your growing and smoking .

 

[Chana Masala]

You are just being rude now...

I am out, I would suggest same... it has been great the last few days... maybe not...

Take care,

CM

 

[b0b_b1tch1n]

The topic of this post is The True Origins of Haze

Well your answer is Sam and Neville because nothing after this time in history can be proven or verified i am sorry but bigs story's a lie every haze article has been a lie fancy saying a guy you met on line and spoke to on a phone is a credible source.

Then you use a guy that you sed is not credible being Sam to then back your article and say his then credible as thats whats happened.

No one knows whats in haze and or ever will.

Go read the haze post at icmag you will see Sam in that post alone change his story more than once.

So thats it move one talk about things you know about and can verifies like the plants your growing and smoking .

your own words are contradicting yourself hempy

please give it a rest , you made your point , please move on

peace

 

[Resinfinger]

So thats it move one talk about things you know about and can verifies like the plants your growing and smoking .

I don't think shanti could have said it better....

 

[hempy]

You are just being rude now...

I am out, I would suggest same... it has been great the last few days... maybe not...

Take care,

CM

I am not being rude at all i am being honest and truthful Chana Masala show me were and how i was being rude here please.

That post above is honest so please show me any part of that post were it was not true as i would be interested to see you point it out for me.

I dont have an agenda or do i care to change history i keep telling you all the truth matters and ego and agendas need to be left away from these discussions.

Do you know how upset people get when they grow a line of cannabis spend years working with it to then find out it was not what they were told trust me people dont just brush these things off and that is why it is important to value and preserve the truth as we know it.

 

[b0b_b1tch1n]

I am not being rude at all i am being honest and truthful Chana Masala show me were and how i was being rude here please.

That post above is honest so please show me any part of that post were it was not true as i would be interested to see you point it out for me.

I dont have an agenda or do i care to change history i keep telling you all the truth matters and ego and agendas need to be left away from these discussions.

Do you know how upset people get when they grow a line of cannabis spend years working with it to then find out it was not what they were told trust me people dont just brush these things off and that is why it is important to value and preserve the truth as we know it.

 

[Chana Masala]

Hempy,

Your agenda is yours alone. You would think that we universally have similar ideals. But tis a funny world we live in. and share in for that matter.

But I know 100% i have brother here, that would pick me up when I am down. I would like to think I would do the same thing. THAT IS WHAT I AM SAYING.

If I were to subscribe to your morals for this instance, can you please tell me when and where you obtained your thai lines.

If you have a stamp on your passport that matches that year. And if you got to hang with Ake and Rhat, while they toured you around their fields?

If not, for all I know, you could be showing me pictures of Sensi seeds hash plant and claiming they are thai stick. Mate what you have is years of speculation... sorry to be the bearer of bad news. But what is important is if you like it... that is what counts...

Good night Mr. Hempy,

Good night BH, Good night Bob, Good Night Coop! Good night Mr. Nice...

CM

 

[coop]

goodnight moon

 

[Kangativa]

The topic of this post is The True Origins of Haze

Well your answer is Sam and Neville because nothing after this time in history can be proven or verified i am sorry but bigs story's a lie every haze article has been a lie fancy saying a guy you met on line and spoke to on a phone is a credible source.

Then you use a guy that you sed is not credible being Sam to then back your article and say his then credible as thats whats happened.

No one knows whats in haze and or ever will.

Go read the haze post at icmag you will see Sam in that post alone change his story more than once.

So thats it move one talk about things you know about and can verifies like the plants your growing and smoking .

You know mate....No one really cares what was in the haze or if there are lies in BH story. What people care about is that it was a good and interesting story and people from what I have seen really enjoyed reading it, Nev and I included and they want to discuss it, not fight.
Bh expected to cop a bit of flack for it and the way the world is today it's to be expected, but not pages and pages of it, to the extent that this thread is now ruined.
You know I take you as a good mate, but you cant keep on with your crusade against people who are trying to achieve something in their life, especially when they are young, its no way to bring up your child and it is also no way to treat someone who you have never met.
Everybody here is trying to be nice to you, even people you have called trolls.....They want this place as a community again and to discuss things about plants, even Shanti wants that. People really like the Hempy that talks about growing Sats indoors and discusses growing in the Hempy bucket, I am sure you can see that.
Its not a war here mate, your not fighting for the good over evil.....Bh is not a evil person that you have to have a vendetta against.....he just wrote a story, with possibly a few things that dont add up....so what !
So how about it my friend enough dont you think.

 

[jack hairy]

Haze existed before sams hempy.

think what might have happened if nevil got to go through more plants than the 7 he saw out of those seeds. all of the "Haze" you are talking about came from that small group of seeds. there were a lot more seeds out there than what sam ended up with, youd have to guess.

just because the history isnt fully clear, doesnt mean it doesnt exist. there is a prior history to the lines and if you say otherwise you are lying and being ignorant.

and that is how you are being rude, continually reposting your bs arguments that show that you cant count to 2 or 3 or 5.

again, you cant prove anything in bigherbs article is incorrect, so you are wrong to call him a liar. since you dont beleive there is any prior history to haze, you shouldnt be trolling this thread.

 

[b0b_b1tch1n]

What people care about is that it was a good and interesting story and people from what I have seen really enjoyed reading it, Nev and I included .

awesome , simply awesome , i hope if anything this will be the post hempy reads

thanks Kanga

peace

 

[aussieskunkman]

Nev should jump in this thread and set this shit straight once and for all ... lurkin back there and havin a few larfs I bet

Nev you must know more than these clowns put together man ... any chance of some clarification (if you can remember back then ) ?

 

[hempy]

You know mate....No one really cares what was in the haze or if there are lies in BH story. What people care about is that it was a good and interesting story and people from what I have seen really enjoyed reading it, Nev and I included and they want to discuss it, not fight.
Bh expected to cop a bit of flack for it and the way the world is today it's to be expected, but not pages and pages of it, to the extent that this thread is now ruined.
You know I take you as a good mate, but you cant keep on with your crusade against people who are trying to achieve something in their life, especially when they are young, its no way to bring up your child and it is also no way to treat someone who you have never met.
Everybody here is trying to be nice to you, even people you have called trolls.....They want this place as a community again and to discuss things about plants, even Shanti wants that. People really like the Hempy that talks about growing Sats indoors and discusses growing in the Hempy bucket, I am sure you can see that.
Its not a war here mate, your not fighting for the good over evil.....Bh is not a evil person that you have to have a vendetta against.....he just wrote a story, with possibly a few things that dont add up....so what !
So how about it my friend enough dont you think.

kanga people do care mate and thats is why this is such a hot topic of conversation if they didn't care no one would be posting or attacking me for pointing out the obvious mate as his article has holes in it you could drive a truck threw so does Sam's story's not story

Bigherb like it or not mate opened him self up to criticism and scrutiny the minuet he published an article just as if i was to publish an article i would expect the same.

There being nice to me here are your serious mate as i see it being called a bastard is not how people treat people with respect or is aussieskunkman posts respectful and a few other peoples posts in this thread and yet there always over looked when they directed at me why.

As for the younger members we have an responsibility to keep the facts as honest as we can thats the only responsibility i see here that should be expected of us older guys.

As for talking sativas and cannabis i cant even do that in here any longer with out being trolled and called a lie it is crystal clear to me mate what is going on here and has been for some time now.

Let me ask you something if some one was to post and say your mullum is fake and Neville's haze was in fact Original haze from the Dutchman and then that was published in a magazine would you feel that was okay and would Neville feel that was okay my bet would be no and that is why the truth matters.

 

[Donald Mallard]

kanga people do care mate and thats is why this is such a hot topic of conversation if they didn't care no one would be posting or attacking me for pointing out the obvious mate as his article has holes in it you could drive a truck threw so does Sam's story's not story

Bigherb like it or not mate opened him self up to criticism and scrutiny the minuet he published an article just as if i was to publish an article i would expect the same.

There being nice to me here are your serious mate as i see it being called a bastard is not how people treat people with respect or is aussieskunkman posts respectful and a few other peoples posts in this thread and yet there always over looked when they directed at me why.

As for the younger members we have an responsibility to keep the facts as honest as we can thats the only responsibility i see here that should be expected of us older guys.

As for talking sativas and cannabis i cant even do that in here any longer with out being trolled and called a lie it is crystal clear to me mate what is going on here and has been for some time now.

Let me ask you something if some one was to post and say your mullum is fake and Neville's haze was in fact Original haze from the Dutchman and then that was published in a magazine would you feel that was okay and would Neville feel that was okay my bet would be no and that is why the truth matters.

only thing is you dont know the truth , so why keep arguing .. ???

 

[Gnome]

It's all about Hempy!

Another thread I was enjoying following has once again been ruined.... thanks again hempy!

 

[b0b_b1tch1n]

Let me ask you something if some one was to post and say your mullum is fake and Neville's haze was in fact Original haze from the Dutchman and then that was published in a magazine would you feel that was okay and would Neville feel that was okay my bet would be no and that is why the truth matters.

NO 1 HAS POSTED ANYTHING LIKE THAT !

BIG STORY IS NOTHING LIKE THAT !

YOU DONT KNOW THE TRUTH AND SAY NO 1 DOES !

YOU FUCKING GO ON AND ON AND ON AND ON AND ON AND ON LIKE YOU DO KNOW THE TRUTH WHEN IN FACT YOU DONT !

YOU CLAIM BIG IS A LIAR , BUT YOU ADMITEDLY DONT KNOW THE TRUTH !

YOU CLAIM BIGS STORY HAS HOLES IN IT BIG ENOUGH TO DRIVE A TRUCK THROUGH , BUT YOU DONT KNOW THE TRUTH !

YOU WONT SHUT THE FUCK UP EVEN THOUGH YOU DONT KNOW THE TRUTH !

YOU HAVE REPEATED YOURSELF FOR OVER 40 PAGES SAYING THE SAME SHIT LIKE IT IS TRUTH WHEN IN FACT YOU DONT KNOW THE TRUTH !

YOU CONTRADICT YOURSELF CONSTANTLY !

YOU BRING HATERED AND WHAT YOU CALL TROLLING AND ATTACKES AGAINST YOURSELF BECAUSE OF ALL THESE REASONS !

MYSELF AND MANY OTHERS HAVE TRIED BEING NICE TO YOU , BUT NOW ITS JUST TIME YOU SHUT THE FUCK UP OR GO AWAY LIKE YOU HAVE SAID YOU WERE GOING TO MULTIPLE TIMES NOW (WHO IS THE LIAR) !

IM SORRY HEMPY BUT ENOUGH IS ENOUGH WAS LONG AGO AND YOU ALONE HAVE DESTROYED WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN ONE OF THE BETTER LONG STANDING THREADS IN THIS SITE , I HOPE EVERYONE GOES AND TROLLS THE SHIT OUT OF YOUR PASSIVE HYDRO (HEMPY BUCKET ) THREAD

YOUR OWN LACK OF INTELLIGENCE IM SORRY TO SAY STARTS EVERY DAMN FIGHT YOU HAVE BEEN IN ON THIS FORUM AND EVERY OTHER FORUM YOU HAVE BEEN ON , IM SORRY IF THAT SEEMS RUDE AND HARSH AS I DONT MEAN IT TO BE , ITS SIMPLY THE TRUTH AND YOU NEED TO WAKE UP TO THE FACT THAT YOU NEED HELP AND SHOULD NOT BE POSTING ON A PUBLIC FORUM OR ANYWHERE PUBLIC BECAUSE YOU CAN NOT COMPREHEND WHAT IS IN FRONT OF YOU !

sorry for the rant big herb and shanti/admini , but as mentioned , "enough is enough was long ago" needed to be said , hopefully but doubtfully hempy will get it

maybe if hempy ever does leave this forum a new thread for this story can be started

peace everyone and sorry for yelling

P.S. HEMPY DONT BOTHER ASKING AROUND ABOUT INFO ON THAT STRAIN I WAS ASKING ABOUT , I DONT WANT ANYTHING FROM YOU HEMPY OTHER THEN YOU LEAVING !

 

[hempy]

only thing is you dont know the truth , so why keep arguing .. ???

Really wally and how did you come to this conclusion ? Seriously mate why are you even posting trying to piss me off more so than i all ready am with all this.

So the fact Bigherb called Sam and his information not credible and then used a guy from the INTERNET to tell him a story about haze on the phone credible is it.

And then bigherb because he needed Sam to back his fairy tale then sed Sam's information was then credible because it backed his side of events.

Your kiding your self.

Your insulting my intellect wally.

Nothing Sam has posted relating to the haze story before Sam and Neville germinated the haze seed has stayed true so get a grip wally as thats the truth.