The True Origins of Haze- BigHerb's Article

[hempy]

anyone remember the haze sister ? Damn she was hot ,,,,

oh wait that was every chick i looked at when smoking thai's , sativa's , damn hazy lookin plants back in the early 80's in BC Canada , hell if i know where they were grown , but they were there and wow what a punch

sure hempy , a ton of ppl and i mean a ton breed thier lines from nevil and shanti's work , but thats not every strain and every breeder , i have a pure sativa that i got from a member here , its supossed to be unhybredised and been inbred since the 70's , it came to me from an aussi and its called carrot , ever heard of it hempy ? and if so , have you grown it and can you share your thoughts about it ?

EDIT : has any aussi or anyone for that matter spent any time with carrot ? and have any info they can share ?

Wow really bob you know mate you really think to highly of your self heres some info on the line your barging about lol.

"I was lucky to buy some Jack Flash (Jack Herer crossed with Haze x Superskunk) in 2002 on the street in Nimbin," Von xxxx told us. "I grew and pollinated the buds with a strain I have been growing for 25 years called Carrot (sativa that was smoked in Sydney in the late 70s), and the result was Rainbow Dreaming (R.D.) strain.

What and you dont think i know whats what ha bob you need to wake up and smell the flowers mate the days almost past you.

If you want the link i will send it to you threw pm so you can have some idea what your going to grow lol.

What he calls carrot would be what most of us called bush weed in short an unknow sativa and there were many and still are that are very good smoke to.

 

[Hemphrey Bogart]

Really well if haze was so popular back then why is it no longer available and why is Californian over run with dutch lines re named for domestic markets maybe you can explane it to me as i am a little confused mate.

It's really not that hard to explain. People just stopped growing it, hempy. People moved onto other easier to grow varieties due to various circumstances (shorter flowering time, excellent yields from skunk lines, etc). It also happens when increased law enforcement and changing tastes come about. Where is Panama Red, hempy? How about Columbian Gold? What about those Highland Mexis that the bikers I grew up around were growing back in the 70's? Those are gone too, so where does that leave us? I guess we should just forget about those days because herb wasn't really popular until it was grown in Amsterdam, heh.

Haze was never famous or popular as you claim up until it won the cups in Amsterdam.

More revisionist history. How you know so much about the California cannabis scene in the 60's and 70's without having ever even visited and spent time here is beyond me. You weren't here back then which means you are either speculating or regurgitating what you've been told.

Back in the day African black the line DJ still to this day raves about was still only seen as good smoke lets be honest here.

Huh? What does that have to do with anything? Let's try to stay on topic here, hempy.

Thais panama red columbine and many others were grown like what sk1 lines are today every man and his dog were growing them and yet no one back then raved about set lines all they sed was it was good or it was okay or it was shit thats how we rated cannabis.

Agreed. We never had cups when I was growing up, we just grew and/or bought and smoked what we had and it was either good, bad or shit. We didn't even read high times magazine. We preferred Playboy or Penthouse or Hustler or Surfer magazines.

Decades later what do we see i will tell you we see the modern cannabis Geno pool made up of basically lines Neville selected and breed and please dont tell me thats not the case as it is fact and people are still just recombining the same set clones Neville selected decades ago or using seeds Nev sold threw his seed shop or outlets and there all just re naming the same genetics now.

Decades later, we see people attempting to do what Neville did: Combine different varieties to create "new" varieties. To say that every variety in existence came from Neville is a bit far fetched, imho. I know people up north who've never bought seed from a seedbank and they've been at it for decades. These guys are in their 60's and 70's with one individual in his 80's, hempy. Not to take anything away from Nev's accomplishments, but there was good pot before Neville and there will be good pot after Neville is gone.

As for bigherbs article what basically G IN SHORT sed well who is G the 3rd haze brother well who confirmed this Sam did correct and his the same Sam guy that for years has posted and sed that there were only 2 haze brothers sorry mate its time people stuck to the facts and not talk about history like its something that can be manipulated to suite set agendas.

Again, denying something is true while you sit on a chair half a world away and dictate who did what in California in the 60s and 70s (a place you've never spent any amount of time in, by the way) is rather dubious. Why should I believe any of you? LOL.

You weren't there, Big wasn't there, Shanti wasn't there, Neville wasn't even there. The only person that we can say with any confidence that was there is Sams himself, now even that seems to be a suspect assumption. How are you so sure that what you are preaching to everyone is the truth when you weren't there at the time, hempy???

Sam sed R and J were the haze brother not R and J and G but now G added so i am saying its all bull shit prove i am wrong you cant can you.

I still think it's very possible that sams called G "J" to confuse people. I'm not saying that that is indeed the case because I'm not convinced any of this is the 100% truth. The only real truth is what Neville did with the stock he got from Sams, the rest is up for debate.

Again, unless you were there, you don't really know.

HB.

 

[bigherb]

Hi Hempy and thanx mate, its good to be back.
Hey mate just something that Hemprhey B said about Haze and Skunk being popular In Cal. It was mate...I was there and that was pretty much all I saw, Dutch strains hadnt really made their impact in the mid 80's, so up in the backwoods of Norcal, old strains were still being grown.
Also you know how it goes....When things start winning cups everybody wants to grow it, so over the years the old is out and the new is in. Bit like the Mullum, everybody use to smoke it and talk about it, but where is it now...yep overrun with new Dutch strains. Same with the Hawaiian strains.

You know this story about G....do you think it might be possible that he wanted to remain a unknown because of his lifestyle.
I had heard about someone that was involved with the Thai stuff In Cal, but no one really said anything so it was a bit like a rumour. Then one day I am on this tiny Island in the middle of the Indian ocean and I bump into him and his family....he was on the run, now he is doing work for the US Embassy and he tells his story to everybody.
Its possible that this G was just like that...dont ya think.
Anyway mate you know its just a discussion, like we usually have

Interesting story

I understand the point an feel the same its somethin i thought of to but there has been many post since my last an it can be hard to find where to start .

Anyone who has large scale illegal activites isnt goin to document it ,Soo the proof can not be of written or recorded material .This is aside from the mindstate of the old school Respect an code of silence .Most stories like this that surface are because these folk became greedy or fukked up somewhere an a Rat told the story .


1luvbigherb

 

[hempy]

Hi Hempy and thanx mate, its good to be back.
Hey mate just something that Hemprhey B said about Haze and Skunk being popular In Cal. It was mate...I was there and that was pretty much all I saw, Dutch strains hadnt really made their impact in the mid 80's, so up in the backwoods of Norcal, old strains were still being grown.
Also you know how it goes....When things start winning cups everybody wants to grow it, so over the years the old is out and the new is in. Bit like the Mullum, everybody use to smoke it and talk about it, but where is it now...yep overrun with new Dutch strains. Same with the Hawaiian strains.

You know this story about G....do you think it might be possible that he wanted to remain a unknown because of his lifestyle.
I had heard about someone that was involved with the Thai stuff In Cal, but no one really said anything so it was a bit like a rumour. Then one day I am on this tiny Island in the middle of the Indian ocean and I bump into him and his family....he was on the run, now he is doing work for the US Embassy and he tells his story to everybody.
Its possible that this G was just like that...dont ya think.
Anyway mate you know its just a discussion, like we usually have

hiya mate well even here in the 80s weather we like it or not dutch lines were making there way here and the us and even as far a field as Jamaica the reality is just that.

I can tell you with 100% honesty that up until say 87 or just after the importation of exotic cannabis lines was also still coming here as was the export of domestic grown lines to the us and a far its like any crop mate when we are in ow grow season and ready to harvest they are gearing up to just start theres so that is why what we had they had the market dominated in short.

As for the haze story you know as much as me now so dont you find it odd that Neville who along with Sam and a few others who did in fact preserve the haze by germinating the seed and selecting it and then hybridizing what was found to be the best not get a mention in all this and yet every one seeks only the info that no one can honestly back.

Dont you also think that a line like haze that is so special would of been preserved if more had it in California ?.

And if it was there still or even in the 80s why is it no one to this day has produced a viable haze or haze hybrid that can compete with Neville's haze and other haze hybrids it just dont add up.

Sam was the key to all this and he for years posted a story on haze and all his posts are saved and has sed for years there was only 2 haze brothers now bigherb writes an article even after he was quoted saying he never intended on writing one .

Bigherb sed Sam's info is not credible yet a week or so ago Sam posted and added a 3rd haze brother being G and now bigherb says Sam info is credible as it only supports his article its ridicules.

Sam has also sed in the past he past seed the 2 haze brothers seed and they were what went into the creation of haze but we now relies Sam was to young at the time haze was created so in short nothing from before the point of time Neville getting seed and Sam growing seed out regarding haze can be believed any longer.

No one knows what haze is ether and they are all valid proven points mate

 

[coop]

If the dutch genetics are a mix of skunk, northern lights and haze, then shouldn't the 80s dutch stuff really be considered west coast American genetics?

which came first the chicken or the egg>

 

[hempy]

Interesting story

I understand the point an feel the same its somethin i thought of to but there has been many post since my last an it can be hard to find where to start .

Anyone who has large scale illegal activites isnt goin to document it ,Soo the proof can not be of written or recorded material .This is aside from the mindstate of the old school Respect an code of silence .Most stories like this that surface are because these folk became greedy or fukked up somewhere an a Rat told the story .


1luvbigherb

What a load of crap bigherb the haze brothers produced posters didn't you say they marketed there crop and didn't they sell there oz deals in wooden box's ? so why would growers wanting to remain stealthy produce posters and alike or is that bull shit to.

 

[Brick Top]

As for the haze story you know as much as me now so dont you find it odd that Neville who along with Sam and a few others who did in fact preserve the haze by germinating the seed and selecting it and then hybridizing what was found to be the best not get a mention in all this and yet every one seeks only the info that no one can honestly back.

"The True Origins of Haze"



Hempy, this thread only seems odd to you because you are incapable of understanding the difference between the words "origin" and history.

Origin:

or·i·gin/ˈôrəjən/
Noun:

The beginning of something's existence.


The beginning of Haze, the "origin" of Haze, predates all that you feel should be an integral part of the discussion.

History:

his·to·ry/ˈhist(ə)rē/
Noun:

The study of past events, particularly in human affairs.
The past considered as a whole


If this thread was about the history of Haze rather than the "origin" of Haze your position would be valid.

But that is not the case and your position is invalid and untenable because this thread is NOT about the history of Haze.

It is an incredibly simple concept, Hempy, so why in the wide, wide world of sports are you incapable of grasping it?

If you want to discuss the history of Haze, start a thread called The History of Haze and you can cover everything from it's origin right up until today and mention and praise anyone and everyone who ever had even the most minor of positive influences on Haze strains.

If not, please, for the love of all that is good, make an attempt to remember what the definition of "origin" is:

Origin:

or·i·gin/ˈôrəjən/
Noun:

The beginning of something's existence.

... and remember that the origin of Haze predates any and all Amsterdam influence whatsoever.

 

[hempy]

Your being ignored for a reason i have yet to open your pm i expect it to be abusive and full of worthless filth if it is i may just post it up as i really dont care if i am part of this any longer or if i am.

You talk a lot of shit in pm time you talk the same publicly.

The reality is most of you are failing to understand the importance the truth holds and plays in life and i find it out right disgusting to read people posts that even with the facts slapping them in the face they still want to continue pushing the lie of the past 2 decades.

 

[hempy]

The last unicorn is dead as far as i am concerned the story is no longer valid and i will give bigherb credit were it is due he did manage to finally blow the lid of it all and it has not turned out as he and the rest of us had hoped for i mite add so job well done bigherb.

I point the finger squarely at Sam to and all the haze articles from Jesse British hemp and bigs and so on are all a wasted effort.

The truth is this no one knows what haze is and nothing that has been presented as information past the point in time were Neville and Sam had haze seed and then grew out the old haze seed were the hybridizing was done has any real relevance any more and for all we know haze could of been African.

Its all bull shit no point in wasting my time defending the truth any longer as there is little if any truth left in this.



Bigherb thort he was going to make every one look like liers make us all look foolish by getting the real story on haze and making Neville Sam shanti and all the others down the line from me Jesse British hemp all look like lairs and make bigherb look like the real haze expert.

Well Bigherb what you have done is blow the lid right off the haze story and you were the one that pulled the leaver on it all and you also look like a lier on top for trying to make what we all thort was the truth look like a lie and try and peddle a larger lie as the truth that unraveled all of it congratulations mate job well done.

 

[b0b_b1tch1n]

Wow really bob you know mate you really think to highly of your self heres some info on the line your barging about lol.



What and you dont think i know whats what ha bob you need to wake up and smell the flowers mate the days almost past you.

If you want the link i will send it to you threw pm so you can have some idea what your going to grow lol.

What he calls carrot would be what most of us called bush weed in short an unknow sativa and there were many and still are that are very good smoke to.

jesus christ hempy !

i was NOT bragging about ANYTHING !

i did NOT try to imply you didnt know about it !

i was asking a fucking QUESTION because i thought you being in aus you might know more about it then i do !

ive had that link for quite some time and i actually have some Rainbow dreaming about to finish , and a couple Rainbow Chunky pheno's about to finish

i also have three CARROT plants vegging still 2 unsexed 1 male (sprouted it a few weeks earlier) , id like info or a link for Carrot , not a strain carrot is in

you need to slow down and try to comprehend what it is you are reading because your reply to me , ie: "Wow really bob you know mate you really think to highly of your self heres some info on the line your barging about lol." , was realy fucking RUDE and UNCALLED for !

has anyone got info on Carrot ? not carrot crosses that could have been found in a google search quickly before posting here info other then it being bush weed because i dont see why anyone would keep a bushweed strain going pure since the 70's (4 decades or getting close to it) and also a strain that was used in a cross that wont the australian CC 3 times

thanks in advance for any NON-Rude replies/info

peace

 

[Donald Mallard]

The last unicorn is dead as far as i am concerned the story is no longer valid and i will give bigherb credit were it is due he did manage to finally blow the lid of it all and it has not turned out as he and the rest of us had hoped for i mite add so job well done bigherb.

I point the finger squarely at Sam to and all the haze articles from Jesse British hemp and bigs and so on are all a wasted effort.

The truth is this no one knows what haze is and nothing that has been presented as information past the point in time were Neville and Sam had haze seed and then grew out the old haze seed were the hybridizing was done has any real relevance any more and for all we know haze could of been African.

Its all bull shit no point in wasting my time defending the truth any longer as there is little if any truth left in this.



Bigherb thort he was going to make every one look like liers make us all look foolish by getting the real story on haze and making Neville Sam shanti and all the others down the line from me Jesse British hemp all look like lairs and make bigherb look like the real haze expert.

Well Bigherb what you have done is blow the lid right off the haze story and you were the one that pulled the leaver on it all and you also look like a lier on top for trying to make what we all thort was the truth look like a lie and try and peddle a larger lie as the truth that unraveled all of it congratulations mate job well done.

I quite liked the article ,
it seems bh has done his very best to gather the most accurate information available ,
a credit to him i should think ...

as far as the ultimate truth goes hempy ,, well if it was what bh wrote , how would you know it wasnt the truth , since as you said no one knows any different ,
so if in fact the real details were laid before you , which perhaps they have been ,
would you still claim them to be bullshit ,, since you dont know the truth either??
darn crazy aint it ???

 

[Donald Mallard]

jesus christ hempy !

i was NOT bragging about ANYTHING !

i did NOT try to imply you didnt know about it !

i was asking a fucking QUESTION because i thought you being in aus you might know more about it the i do !

ive had that link for quite some time and i actually have some Rainbow dreaming about to finish , and a couple Rainbow Chunky pheno's about to finish

i also have three CARROT plants vegging still unsexed , id like info or a link for Carrot , not a strain carrot is in

you need to slow down and try to comprehend what it is you are reading because your reply to me , ie: "Wow really bob you know mate you really think to highly of your self heres some info on the line your barging about lol." , was realy fucking RUDE and UNCALLED for !

has anyone got info on Carrot ? not carrot crosses that could have been found in a google search quickly before posting here info other then it being bush weed because i dont see why anyone would keep a bushweed strain going pure since the 70's (4 decades or getting close to it) and also a strain that was used in a cross that wont the australian CC 3 times

thanks in advance for any NON-Rude replies/info

peace

Yes bob i do ,
its not really strain specific the carrot smell/taste,
ive noted it in several unrelated types of sativa ,
quite a few from australia , and some from africa ,
youd have to mention the source or more pedigree to give more info on what to expect ,
but at least 50% of that carrot types sativa will be quite a large plant ..

 

[b0b_b1tch1n]

Yes bob i do ,
its not really strain specific the carrot smell/taste,
ive noted it in several unrelated types of sativa ,
quite a few from australia , and some from africa ,
youd have to mention the source or more pedigree to give more info on what to expect ,
but at least 50% of that carrot types sativa will be quite a large plant ..

i got it from a member here , not sure if he wants me to mention his name , if i understand correctly though the seeds came from the guy who created Rainbow Dreaming (he is named in the link hempy is talking about) and won the 3 aussi CC's

any extra info you could share is greatly apreciated as im trying to deside if i should make f2's , its getting hard to find trusted pure sativas around here

peace

 

[bushweed]

Some, or one of the Gary Von Billen strains (Rainbow Dreaming etc.) is renowned for its carrot flavour. Rock Bud perhaps? Smokin Moose would be the man to ask about that... I remember him discussing it. It could be the Aussie sativa he crossed with Jack Herer to produce Rainbow Dreaming. Yeah I think the "Carrot strain' is one he found in Sydney in the 70s...or something.

 

[hempy]

I quite liked the article ,
it seems bh has done his very best to gather the most accurate information available ,
a credit to him i should think ...

as far as the ultimate truth goes hempy ,, well if it was what bh wrote , how would you know it wasnt the truth , since as you said no one knows any different ,
so if in fact the real details were laid before you , which perhaps they have been ,
would you still claim them to be bullshit ,, since you dont know the truth either??
darn crazy aint it ???

Nothing big has posted can be sourced and Sam being the only one has gone from saying there were 2 haze brothers for over a decade to know in the last week adding a 3rd haze brother in support of Bigherbs article.

Your a smart inuf guy wally to also place the peaces to gather i am sure of it.

The only credible and verifiable information that can be traced to haze is to the point Sam and Neville both germinated the haze seed thats it thats as far back as it goes.

No one knows what haze is and the rest is bull shit time every one spoke the truth.

 

[b0b_b1tch1n]

Some, or one of the Gary Von Billen strains (Rainbow Dreaming etc.) is renowned for its carrot flavour. Rock Bud perhaps? Smokin Moose would be the man to ask about that... I remember him discussing it. It could be the Aussie sativa he crossed with Jack Herer to produce Rainbow Dreaming. Yeah I think the "Carrot strain' is one he found in Sydney in the 70s...or something.

thats the info i have , that and the fact that he has also been keeping pure unhybridised Carrot going since the 70's , or someone has and they have been passed down however many times and some made thier way to me

peace

 

[Donald Mallard]

Nothing big has posted can be sourced and Sam being the only one has gone from saying there were 2 haze brothers for over a decade to know in the last week adding a 3rd haze brother in support of Bigherbs article.

Your a smart inuf guy wally to also place the peaces to gather i am sure of it.

The only credible and verifiable information that can be traced to haze is to the point Sam and Neville both germinated the haze seed thats it thats as far back as it goes.

No one knows what haze is and the rest is bull shit time every one spoke the truth.

yep sure ,, i did see mention of another guy claiming to be a third haze bro or somethin like that a long time ago on icmag ,
but yea im not a huge fan of debating unproveable stuff ,
and not around to upset anyone or antagonise ,,
just friendly chit chat ...

one thing i think you are overlooking though man ,
is if sam had the seed ,
he would have at least some idea of when , where , how ,
names places and dates can often be clouded given the nature of the business ..

in any case , im pretty sure youve made your point now man ,
be nice to let the thread move on ???

 

[b0b_b1tch1n]

yep sure ,, i did see mention of another guy claiming to be a third haze bro or somethin like that a long time ago on icmag ,

lol that might have been me , i did it somewhere one time as a joke

 

[hempy]

yep sure ,, i did see mention of another guy claiming to be a third haze bro or somethin like that a long time ago on icmag ,
but yea im not a huge fan of debating unproveable stuff ,
and not around to upset anyone or antagonise ,,
just friendly chit chat ...

one thing i think you are overlooking though man ,
is if sam had the seed ,
he would have at least some idea of when , where , how ,
names places and dates can often be clouded given the nature of the business ..

in any case , im pretty sure youve made your point now man ,
be nice to let the thread move on ???

The fact Sam has lied and when lies are used and one can not keep a story the same over time it makes the persons ward no longer valid as people can no longer trust what is sed correct well it is from were i stand .

So nothing past the point of the seeds being germinated in sam and nevilles hands hold any relevence any longer from were i sit and i garante you many more right threw this and the canna community also see it as i do.

The truth matters as does history but if history keeps changing by those that are meant to be part of it well then its no longer believable is it.

 

[bushweed]

The truth matters as does history but if history keeps changing by those that are meant to be part of it well then its no longer believable is it.

Its no longer history hempy. Its Haze the Religion and all religions need mythology. So in the Haze religion we have Sam the Father, Nevil the Son and "G" the Holy Ghost. Shanti is the Pope. JessE, British Hempire and big herb are the 3 wise men...

You're one of the apostles hempy, whether you like or not. In a thousand years time, people will look back and go - hempy was one of the apostles in the time of the Holy Haze. Blessed is his name.



Tom Hill's an apostate...(joke)