The True Origins of Haze

[bigherb]

This latest back an fourth of post has help me realize some things ,im thankful for both th e positive an negative reaction because they both helped in my realization



I just want to Remind Folk ,it wasnt until CF n sensi 13 threw shots at me that thing went sour ,than the band wagon started

Tom hill

I hope to further explore your haze line in the future an give you my feedback .My last run was not in my hands per say an i wont be able to give a fair representation on the effects of your offering .But Growth was most impressive i can an will say .


Your judgement of me has been is hard to grasp ,ive just reported what growers who have experience with your line have posted .As to the acid pheno i mention it here once an teh referenve was toward the 5% standout phenos .


Soo do you have areason for the change of heart or you always contradict yourself



[QUOTE

TomHill


I know who Mnt Nectar and Zamalito etc are and if you're connecting dots based on those guys posts you're really reaching. Shit Zam used to wax on philosophical about this crap for hours on end, I think he once said that DC was the weed of Alexander the great or some such crap. You gunna run that one to the bank too? lol.

Anyway, carry on man.-T[/QUOTE]

Breeder's Choice

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Zamalito,

I would like to take the opportunity to tell you how very

much I enjoy your input on the boards. It's quite refreshing to hear

you post thoughts that are genuinely your own.

Please do continue Sir. You are a true cannabis man in my opinion.

For what it's worth, I'd like to extend to you folks an invitation,

please check your PM's.


I wish you all the best of luck in all of your endeavors,



Tom

<<<Yes, even drop outs can enjoy reading him. He lays it all on the line too without fear of what his peers may think about it. This is how we get somewhere folks.
He reminds me of DJ Short in this regard...Perhaps a bit more refined

Like someone else you may know




Puday

I know where you heart is but sometimes when we speak to much it clouds the perception of our true feelings

This thread has nothin to do with NYC HAZE ,You havnt realized the main purpose by Now you never will .If its not of your interest you can do as you please .


Your passion is one i can relate to but you have asked the same question/S more than once .You have to listen sometimes ive told you sevral times aside from the info being posted MNS NL5Hz is the same blood as Sensi seeds .The HzA was never sold commercially in any direct Crosses .


the chnace of A5 being the franks or mother of the NYC hazes is as possible as NYC haze being santa Cruz stock from the 70's .The A5 is clone only an that means in 88 - 90 someone from holland would have had to shipped or brought the clone to NYC .Caz my family smoked Franks in 1990 soo its a possibility but many things are possible .

As to my article

The info has been vouched for by Sams soo im not sure ,what your saying .I know in my heart if G came online (it will nevr happen ) or Sams wrote a book ther will still be doubt .Just like when Nevil first posted folk didnt believe it was him


Not sure how many times i can say it but i will caz imma find some shade for abit .

I have confirmed the information i was given personally,i have information which will not be revealed unless involved partied wish to do soo


To all my other brothers Jack /Hemphrey /biteme /BB /Chana
Respect and nuff said


Much love to all the MNS family supporters an Non believers



1luvbigherb

 

[jack hairy]

bigherb,

thanks for all your efforts.
many people appreciate it.

i know your stance is that haze was pure punta roja.
but to some, and me, this wouldnt make sense,
because then it was the haze already, and there was no lucky accident.
punta roja was haze and it was already good? or haze is just the best selection that came from a new generation made.

but the term backcross, with many implying there must first be an outcross,
and sam saying only that the thai and s. indian were towards the end of haze production,
leads me to wonder more about the mexican.

mexican would have been abundant.
lineage has always been listed as columbian, mexican, s. indian and thai.

i know, i know, as you always say.
anything is possible but what is probable?
could the haze we know of be punta roja x (punta roja x Oaxacan)

i think it would explain why something different popped up from the columbian where it had been bred previously for generations without the "haze" appearing. being backcrossed to the original columbian would reinforce the main traits while adding something new, and improved vigor?

 

[bodhi]

looks like its time to smoke some haze...
load it if you got it.....
intermission....

 

[bodhi]

i would love to see some backwards engineering ...

reworking landrace combinations and haze formulations from scratch and see what shows up...

find that original recipe....

the terpene signature is so distinct in hazes that selecting on smell and effect alone could offer up some vital insight...

 

[Puday]

hope you're feeling better BH!

Regarding uptown haze being something other than A5, I'm just saying that I personally doubt that.

My only concern is that you have ruffled feathers and will continue to do so looking for something that may be right under your nose. What I mean is, whether you are right or wrong about any facts sentiments etc regarding any of these haze matters .. my point is, any headaches others received along the way, or yourself, are unnecessary because what you are looking for is not lost. No search necessary bro!

It's silly!

Just my two cents ... worth about two cents ,

... the descriptions of A5 are identical to the uptown haze. Even if they are different they are the same. If you'd be so kind, post that link I pm'd you the other day to that A5 description. I believe YSam had chimed in on that thread. It is everything you have described the Frankie's as... so again if A5 isn't it, really it is.

Again this is just me giving my opinion. Too many coincidences surrounding A5 and the NYC haze. The writing's on the wall my man. Again I could be wrong. Incidentally the description I just mentioned, the one i pm'd you the other day, is exactly what I know the uptown haze as. I couldn't have given a better description than that guy did and i doubt you could either. Nor could you change or add anything.

I lost the link, I'd be much obliged if you could post it for the forum members to see.

Now just for the record, just because I talk to BH openly in the forum, please don't think I'm "calling him out" ..we're discussing openly. I don't think either of us are the type to get our panties in a bunch over talk and that's why I speak freely. I'm not fed up with BH, I'm just fed up with the B.S. Much of the forum drama surrounds these haze discussions, and big herb is naturally a part and morover, a perpetuator, so by default BH it's not because of you necessarily do I speak out, but really it's more ... "by default". This is not an attack on you.

I'm just tired of Shanti and all of the forum getting mud on our face from these discussions. I was over at Sensi forum, that guy Ganja their mod and those people often thrive off of gossiping about how out of control it can get over here. And who cares what they say, i don't, but it is embarrassing, on a basic fundamental level, and this is shanti's site and the most of the dirt winds up on his face.

Considering everything he's done for the Cana scene. On top of this, he has what you want and everything in between ... Do you see my point?

When people start to get frustrated or eyebrows raised it's time to fall back. Not because you should or shouldn't ... rather, simply because this is not any one of our home. We all share this space and it's owned and run by MNS. It's a public space and one should be cordial. over questioning or refuting someone's statements is no good. Guys like Tom, Sam, Nevil, Shanti etc take pride in their work, nobody wants to be questioned too much.

Furthermore: you, me, nobody should lose sight of the fact that mns is also a BUSINESS!

Shanti has staff, friends and family to feed. There's 100 hack-job seed companies all using shanti's and his crew's genetics, competing against him in the business world. They all have his genetics. He needs his time to do selection and separate himself and his company from the pack, and to put these other hacks to shame. Not time to deal with forum bullshit.

As I alluded to, I really feel that this thread stemmed from the NYC haze quest....bottom line. Who are we kidding here? That's why your article came about BH.... im not saying it as a bad thing. I'm just pointing out tangible chronogical facts.

NYC haze,the best haze, led to mns forum, the best haze(s) ...

it's not a debatable point.

all I'm saying is, I believe BigHerb's passion stems from the love he has for the haze. And ofcoarse he or anyone has a right to discuss any haze lineages all he/she like. As a matter of fact consider this me wrapping up my bombardment of your thread, I do apologize. I really didn't want to comment but generally here on Earth, the squeaky wheel gets the grease.

The wisdom in all of my posts is this: with all due respect BH, friend to friend, even if only online friends lol ... but I mean that... friend to friend ... I, me, personally think you are wasting efforts and words. And the only reason I say "wasting" , because I don't think wasteful of anyone, but I say "wasting" because your search is not leading to genetics on the table for the community, you haven't found your favorite haze, and people are getting upset.

If I were you, let this whole haze thing go, instead get your hands on anything with A or A5 it .... I hear the new AC male Rock n Ross series throws a lot of phenos that are right up your alley

Spend your time cracking anything with A male in it. That's what you love, not this other b.s.

Lastly, if the A5 is light green and you feel the better of the two NYC hazes was the darker one .l remember there were actually 3 (silver also) ... well than the darker one is a mns haze too. (or seedbank) bro so no disrespect, but stop disrespecting mns by suggesting it's not.

Try coming to mns and saying shanti your NYC haze is the best instead of shanti your hazes are good but the NYC is better. This is mns home bro

if ya catch my drift.

all 3 NYC hazes are mns... I put a pack of any rock n roll series on it. someone give BH a taste of the A5 already please and lets get this over with.

Respect Shanti, respect Nevil, and all others involved. I find it awkward that 2 of the 3 NYC hazes are clearly sssb, Nevil, and/or Shanti work (Sam skunkman get his props too) and that you BH somehow think this other haze is from some other unknown lineage. It's not.

All I'm asking is to learn let some things go rather than drag the past back out into the night. If you think this thread is about anything other than NYC haze, you're wrong.

I beg your pardon for imposing on your thread.

Puday

 

[Puday]

Incidentally, regarding Ganja from Sensi ...I shouldn't say he or they "thrive", that's not true and I've never heard bad things said about shanti but the community over here gets bashed.

and BH I get it, this thread isn't about any of the things I mentioned but it is dude. I think you want the smoke more than the convo ... by all means though you speak about what you like. I just ask all members to consider drawing the line at morally respectable points.

There's no reason for Tom to be on here pissed off. It makes no sense ... the guy offers some of the only other quality hazes around. Yeah I've hear you may have to search for a good pheno but I also here when you get it it's, great.

People are getting hit in the crossfire ... learn to use a filter!

 

[Puday]

now on a lighter note ... the oaxacan interestingly enough is in the Blueberry. Now I've tasted a strain called bluedream ... slightly blueberry, slightly hazy .l. sucked!

now on the other hand, I tried spicy white devil, samsara cut. Jack Herer, the good one with crystal covered main stalks, sick crossed to the blueberry

it was one of the closest smells and tastes to the NYC haze. Frankinsense. It changed the smell of the original Jack Herer completely, and if you know jack it is different from mns smelling hazes ... I never liked the smell as much as the mns and NYC hazes but the cross of the jack to the blueberry cause a Frankinsense haze. I imagined it was directly related to the oaxacan in the blueberry

so if that helps out your cause here any ... maybe you guys could derive something from that.

Another thing I wanted to mention to BH is that don't forget, you guys do so much of the legwork on researching these topics, I kind of have the luxury of sitting back and really seeing the information you gather from a birds eye view. I think my really havingn no biased is valuable feedback.

Incidentlly BH this Jack Herer x Blueberry was closer to the Frankinsense than many of the NH, SSH I have experienced. It had that Frankie's quality. The blueberry f'd the Frankie's taste up ... the blue bread through. smell was frankly mostly, but blue too, frankies most.

oaxacan may be that secret ingredient ... hwi does this relate to Cruz hazes or haze lineage well as, I forget your name I'm sorry but whomever just mentioned maybe haze was oaxacan x punts rohan

I'm just tired of getting a boner for nothing. Even if we had the recipe, does anyone have some runs roho? I don't think so cause then wouldn't you be growing it?

lol this is soo stupid (I mean that giggling, not vindictively) I just find it silly .. my dog does this

 

[The Green Man]

G'day,
It is generally accepted that the main pheno of haze kicking around the Netherlands is Colombian in many of its growth traits and effect - purple, spicy etc etc. However according to SamS the haze he brought to Holland had already been crossed with Thai and/or S. Indian to try and preserve the line. To my mind this directly contradicts most people's experiences with Dutch haze. I'm not even sure where I'm going with this but it does lend credance to Nev's seeds being from an earlier date to the Thai crosses SamS made as Nev is the source of most commercially offered haze from the Dutch seedbanks. This is the part I don't get. I guess what I am asking is how come Nevil ended up with lumbo leaning phenos from seed sold to him by SamS when Sam himself claims to have crossed his seed stock with Thai/Keralan to preserve the line?
Maybe I'm being a bit thick or I've missed something amongst all the arguments in this thread.
If I have then I apologise in advance.
Keep it green,
TGM.

 

[jack hairy]

ive seen some people mention the PR.
i think theres a grow log around, kangalunacy has one.
some breeder has some.
is it the same?

interesting note on that jack x blueberry nick.
something could be there, or is it the thai's from the blueberry working with thai from NH.

 

[coop]

your theory might hold merit if Chimera's Highland Mexi X blueberry was anything at all like haze, but its not. Its in a class of its own. and more of a Sativa then any haze hybrid ever would be.

The oaxican (and durban) smell is very strong in the Jack and Silver lines.

 

[bushweed]

Ace seeds purple haze x Meao thai is surely more sativa than anything with blueberry in it.

 

[Yosemite Sam]

This thread has nothin to do with NYC HAZE ,You havnt realized the main purpose by Now you never will .If its not of your interest you can do as you please .


Your passion is one i can relate to but you have asked the same question/S more than once .You have to listen sometimes ive told you sevral times aside from the info being posted MNS NL5Hz is the same blood as Sensi seeds .The HzA was never sold commercially in any direct Crosses .


the chnace of A5 being the franks or mother of the NYC hazes is as possible as NYC haze being santa Cruz stock from the 70's .The A5 is clone only an that means in 88 - 90 someone from holland would have had to shipped or brought the clone to NYC .Caz my family smoked Franks in 1990 soo its a possibility but many things are possible .

As to my article

The info has been vouched for by Sams soo im not sure ,what your saying .I know in my heart if G came online (it will nevr happen ) or Sams wrote a book ther will still be doubt .Just like when Nevil first posted folk didnt believe it was him


Not sure how many times i can say it but i will caz imma find some shade for abit .

I have confirmed the information i was given personally,i have information which will not be revealed unless involved partied wish to do soo


To all my other brothers Jack /Hemphrey /biteme /BB /Chana
Respect and nuff said


Much love to all the MNS family supporters an Non believers



1luvbigherb

Hi BH, puday,

Maybe the NYCHz is descending from 5HzA.
You know that the A5 in Holland is a clone only and Nevil never sold seeds of the 5HzA but he did give away some freebee seeds in the past, maybe even mixed some beans up or send them to some US citizen who past it over to friends and a few years later arriving in NYC late '80's, early '90's.
It is plausible.
There were some good folks in the past gifted with some 5HzA beans, that's for sure. Most lost their offspring but who knows maybe one or two survived in the US...
Take care,
YS

 

[TomHill]

Jezusfugginchrist Bigherb you are sounding more and more like Jesse every day.

Me letting folk know that I feel 5% of individuals in the line are outstanding and you telling folk that "I speak of the acid pheno" is quite a fucking leap dude.

A couple of folks struggling to describe their take on flavor, and in a twenty adjective description the word "incense" pops up - then you run off telling people with your uptown hard-on "this trait is present in tom hill haze aswell as other colombian traits such as sandlewood incense but SHHHH he doest like when i mention that".

I have not had any such change of heart and I am not contradicting myself you friggin nutter. I simply do not appreciate it when people like you -not knowing wtf you're talking about- tries to put words in my mouth or in the mouths of others. Are you fucking grasping any of this at all? There are bunches of other examples -you've left a trail of them that could circle the globe a few times- but I'm not going to hunt them down now.

No dude, don't kid yourself, you are nothing like Zamalito that's laughable, I did enjoy his input very much. He imo had some true insights into genetics that were truly bold, new, his own, a rarity in this age of regurgitated nonsense. He also occasionally waxed on theorizing about unknown peds. This latter I never cared much for it's pushing rocks uphill. The problem is that some douche will come along 10-20 years later (like you do all the time) and try to state these comments as fact, when it's mostly just a bunch of stoner babble.

 

[jack hairy]

oh yeah, since when is oaxacan in blueberry, puday?
i thought it was afghani, juicy fruit thai, and oregon purple thai.
what has oaxacan in it?
my older friend (in his 60's) says jack herer reminds him of acapulco gold.

 

[bigherb]

Jezusfugginchrist Bigherb you are sounding more and more like Jesse every day.

Me letting folk know that I feel 5% of individuals in the line are outstanding and you telling folk that "I speak of the acid pheno" is quite a fucking leap dude.

A couple of folks struggling to describe their take on flavor, and in a twenty adjective description the word "incense" pops up - then you run off telling people with your uptown hard-on "this trait is present in tom hill haze aswell as other colombian traits such as sandlewood incense but SHHHH he doest like when i mention that".

I have not had any such change of heart and I am not contradicting myself you friggin nutter. I simply do not appreciate it when people like you -not knowing wtf you're talking about- tries to put words in my mouth or in the mouths of others. Are you fucking grasping any of this at all? There are bunches of other examples -you've left a trail of them that could circle the globe a few times- but I'm not going to hunt them down now.

No dude, don't kid yourself, you are nothing like Zamalito that's laughable, I did enjoy his input very much. He imo had some true insights into genetics that were truly bold, new, his own, a rarity in this age of regurgitated nonsense. He also occasionally waxed on theorizing about unknown peds. This latter I never cared much for it's pushing rocks uphill. The problem is that some douche will come along 10-20 years later (like you do all the time) and try to state these comments as fact, when it's mostly just a bunch of stoner babble.

Tell emm why ya mad ,it getting funny how twisted your balls got .Im nobody just a kid remember cool out homie

I had to i was gonna be quiet but aside from your breeding skills your just another hater .I showed you respect since day one ,than one day you knocked me about my passion for the incense trait an i hope you remember it wasnt in reference to your line .


Are you serious ,i dont talk much about your line dont flatter yourself .

Me letting folk know that I feel 5% of individuals in the line are outstanding and you telling folk that "I speak of the acid pheno" is quite a fucking leap dude

Your aisle 9 description (below) is what brought about the whole acid pheno search/term .

My selections have focused on high-quality resin production, and imo this line is the Haze resin-queen. “When I am requesting a clean-up on aisle 9 due to my mind being split open, or am afraid to drive my car high on a decent sample (4 hours after smoking it) - all perspective is put in its proper place." Tom Hill.

As ive said before but it seems you hear an comprehend what you wish .My mention was based that the special keeper is a 5% in your stock an reported much the same in the other available soo called original haze lines .Examples below


seedbotique description

does not breed true for its intoxicating properties, however the best examples (approx 5%) are electrifyingly cerebral. For decades, words have utterly failed to fully capture the intensity of effect that a good example of Haze can give - it is absolutely in a league of its own and must be experienced

Your words below

Some facts about this line.

Posi stock "Original Haze" winter 95-96 (just before they closed up shop i believe), one of about 27 lines from 4-5 seedbanks brought back, all others quickly shitcanned .
Said to be in the high teens gen wise at that time, but still highly heterozygous in my observation.
I've put less than 10 generations on this line ending in an open pollenation before release. There has been zero of what i would refer to as "holes" in the pedigree under my care (all breeding plants (+-5%)in the ped were rockstars leading up to the OP round). A definate needle in a haystack line, always has been. One in twenty are keepers, the rest are well, hay .. God help us, i think we're sick

Tom

Funny Mofo uptown hard on ,shit its funny how that uptown talk stuck soo hard with my name ( also funny how after i came to the net an expressed my feelings more than a dozen others reported the same) .I dont speak much of the uptowns anymore an its permantly connected

That's a lie 20 adjective ,Damn brother you really got a thing with me

The incense trait aswell as colombian /spice has been reported several times in reports of your recent stock,id go as far to say half of the recent reports .Ive posted a few soo its not necessary to do it again .Soo deny what you wish



You knocked both Zam an Mnt Nectar when i put up post of their shared opinions an experience .Than i find a post where you praise the dude your fake as 3 dollar bill .My comparison was I too lay it all on the line without fear of what anyone may think .But i guess we both have trouble comprehending

Remember my brother you admitted you have no experience with Santa Cruz haze .Soo all you know is the 20th generation who knows what # that you aquired in 95 ,25 years after the birth


The description of your line is not a similar one to reports from other sources

Ive mentioned before(from the last pages of silver blue an TH haze too at IC ,Civil convo an interesting opinions )

rosemary, metal shop, thyme,Doesnt not seem to be commonly reported in any other haze lines Nor the haze of the 70's

You called me out of my name several times ,you hant made any points i agree with .How good is that haze if you seem to get angry soo quick


Ive stated what is my opinion an provided post to my reason why ,Ive laid it all out heavily .The only fact ive posted is that this is the story i was told an that Sams agrees that it was mostly true facts .


Get ya mind right

 

[coop]

This shit has gotten highlarious

The torch of fueled haze has been passed?

Here's the new facts. Tom's the only one in this conversation who actually has grown some legit haze and bred with it. So when he talks shut the fuck up and listen.

These other "characters" you quote are just that.

Mmm who to believe the dude with a cannabis orchard out back or some random cats talking about 1972?

good luck with your search and all that jazz, but its time you start growing and making your own observations on the plants, not repeating the same ole' shit post after post

 

[bigherb]

Puu My duu

You say i should brought out the filter ,you should have just spoke ya mind an moved on .If you respect me ,you would have done soo an thought before you posted or sent me a pm .Caz now your post boder on disrespectful .


Dont be concerned about my issues ,our relation is what it is anyone who has an issue with me can address me .As few have ,some easy with pm's it was all good others I ignored an others just continuosly troll

Its funny to me how you know my feelings soo well ,maybe you have more than the gift of a conesssuier your a mind reader aswell .

I dont care what anyone thinks of me ,Im not gonna be disrespected by anyone .

As you say stems from ,But its another thread /feeling /thought completely .Soo you staed your opinion sevral times with what reasoning

Your right my passion for NYC hazes is what lead to my quest for everything i could possibly learn about haze which lead to my article an this thread but its not about NYC haze an believe i enjoy the discussion throughly an it dont relate to me trying find the smoke thats another chapter

Stop bangin on about A5 ,its damn near impossible it will fall into our hands .I told you i was familiar with A5 long ago aswell as all the OS hazes .Before MNS i befriended YS an he has more been more descriptive than Nevil an shared much of his knowledge an experience with me .Soo yes im very familiar she is soo similar to NYC hazes

nobody wants to be questioned too much

Ive heard this hit b4 an its wierd why you post it again ,irratating really

Ive challenged all else who've made this comment to show post where ive trolled or carried on about getting info an it upsetted the poster .Ive done soo respectfully always an if i wanted more i asked politely but was thankful for what ive got an expressed soo

Lastly, if the A5 is light green and you feel the better of the two NYC hazes was the darker one .l remember there were actually 3 (silver also) ... well than the darker one is a mns haze too. (or seedbank) bro so no disrespect, but stop disrespecting mns by suggesting it's not.

Homie your one nugget short of a happy meal ,Disrespcting MNS by saying its not NYC haze .Listen im not sure where you where from exactly in NYC ,but a NYER knows respect is a big thing an it seems you come from way off the block .

you said you frequented the heights but anyone in NYC or around my way atleast will tell you the dark was always the best

Try coming to mns and saying shanti your NYC haze is the best instead of shanti your hazes are good but the NYC is better. This is mns home bro

Are you serious ,Where teh fuck does this come from especially in this thread .I dont believe i ever said anything like that .

You above comment is one of the reasons for my ill feeling ive gotten from your recent .Its makes no sense really ,shanti dont have no Nyc haze man you should have really thought before you typed an really again if you had respected me soo much you would hav pmed me this BS ,although i would told you the same thing .

If you think this thread is about anything other than NYC haze, you're wrong

Since i seen you were a newb an came off with thanks an praise ,I tried to answer all your questions throughly even when i couldnt help much an even though you said some crazy shit ,things that didnt make sense .You still dont got ya facts right an need to do your homework


You came out of your face an if you are soo smart would have thought twice before all these post ,you put yourself in the crossfire

 

[bigherb]

This shit has gotten highlarious

The torch of fueled haze has been passed?

Here's the new facts. Tom's the only one in this conversation who actually has grown some legit haze and bred with it. So when he talks shut the fuck up and listen.

These other "characters" you quote are just that.

Mmm who to believe the dude with a cannabis orchard out back or some random cats talking about 1972?

good luck with your search and all that jazz, but its time you start growing and making your own observations on the plants, not repeating the same ole' shit post after post

Your right its gone twilight zone

Shut the fuck up

,that a surprise you must got me confused with sombody else .


Tom has been disrespectful ,soo i spoke me piece thats that.This dude didnt teach me a damn thing about haze either .That came from the main man in SC


Believe who an what you wish


Ive stated my experience with Nevilles haze an THH .Soo he's not the only one in the conversation who grew his legit haze . You seem some pics ,Soo im not sure your Beef

You are right it is just repeating the same old post an i dont think anything positive can come from more conversation /sharing opinions .

 

[TomHill]

"Oops, yeah sorry, I guess you didn't say that"

"My bad, I guess that guy was talking about a different line"

"the truth is that I'm putting all this together from my interpretations of others' posts which I often misinterpret, I don't really have any first hand knowledge for you"

Do you think these ^^^ words will ever exit your mouth Bigherb? If not then fuck you. You can try to pull ye ole Jesse defense all you want, link-away kid, 1+1 still does not equal 11. If you had just stuck with copy/paste in the first place we would have never had a problem, please consider sticking to it in the future. Because when you fuck everything up with your own misinformed take on what others (particularly me) are saying we're going to have problems.

 

[bigherb]

"Oops, yeah sorry, I guess you didn't say that"

"My bad, I guess that guy was talking about a different line"

"the truth is that I'm putting all this together from my interpretations of others' posts which I often misinterpret, I don't really have any first hand knowledge for you"

Do you think these ^^^ words will ever exit your mouth Bigherb? If not then fuck you. You can try to pull ye ole Jesse defense all you want, link-away kid, 1+1 still does not equal 11. If you had just stuck with copy/paste in the first place we would have never had a problem, please consider sticking to it in the future. Because when you fuck everything up with your own misinformed take on what others (particularly me) are saying we're going to have problems.

Fukk me lmao

Ya old hick ,you really are a stupid bastard

Im pullin a jesse n you are the one who is twistin my words an callin me out of my name


I dont give a fuk who you are ,you.dont know me you know my online persona ,you'd never speak like this to me in person promise . I love internet tough guys like you it shows ya true character


Remember you stupid bastard all ive done is share the story.I was told . I made it clear what was my opinion and why an what ive shared hss come via seconhand from g


Its obvious the truth hurts ,maybe in the near future g will get some ohaze seed to germ an you could find out what real haze is