orangutang
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What I just wrote is what Nevil had to say, pretty much.
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wanagrowbigbud
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Wish I was around while he was still posting its a bugger sifting through pages of shit (some good some bad) to find his posts ...
Sensimilla13
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I thought it is considered to have evolved in the foothills of the Himalayas somewhere between Nepal and the Kashmir region of India/Pakistan/Afghanistan?
That would be your cradle!
Cheers,
Sensi
Edit: I meant to add this earlier but my phone died...actually it would make more sense being on the other side (Chinese side) since cannabis seeds were discovered to be ~5000 years old at archiological sites in China.
If you look at the map there is a huge valley just east of Kyrgystan and Tajikastan that is at the foothills of the Himalayas...man I'm most positive I have a boot that firmly states this...it might be my economic botany book. I'll try to remember to check it when I get home.
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You know wally you keep pointing the finger at me as does bucket and many others in this post and in many other posts right threw this site and yet you all fail to tell the truth or point out other peoples abuse or short comings and you just direct your criticisms at me.
I dont like you wally i have tried for years to turn the other cheek and for years you still pull the same snidely shit over and over again.
I have since day 1 stuck to my beliefs and what i beloved was the truth yet you have not you on the other hand supported Sam and the lies he peddled for years and still does you also with others singled us the Mr nice co fans out and Mr nice seed co because of Sam's hatred for Neville.
I dont lie or do i care to be part of this any longer wally but you do so i think you need to start acting a little more respectful towards other stoner's and put into practices what you and the rest of you lot seam to preach to others so often yet do your selfs.
I only came back because i thort change had come as shanti has had inuf but nothings changed so i am done.
You lot can not keep blaming 2 or 3 people for the troubles of a hole site when all these few are doing is only pointing out facts the bull shits over understand it.
I have asked for my account to be deleted more than once if there was a delete button id not be posting this trust me but as my accounts is still active i am going to tell you lot fucken straight up your all as bad as each other.
I have forwarded bigherbs insults to shanti and told him he needs to read threw this thread to in fact see the truth as a lot of you need to be removed from this site as you lot seam to feel your above the rest of the membership of Mr nice and think you can run it as you see fit well you cant any longer as you have taken this site over and fucked it thats the truth right there.
So many of you sent pm to shanti complaining i was being abusive well not one post i made was abusive to any one but many of you that pm shanti were insulting and abusive to me.
Threats have been made privatively because people sort to seek the truth insane and yet the same being targeted are blamed get a grip.
I am disgusted with all of you and you call your selfs potsmen what a larf you lot are.
You lot are supporting bigherb who is a joke and Sam who is a lier why.
British hemp we both know no one knows whats in haze and i to know the story from Neville.
So why is it not one of you blaming 2 people here has support the truth in here ? I will tell you why its because the truth no longer matters in fact i think the truth never matted and only seed sales mattered from the first seed sale in the canna industry.
I am seeing and have been seeing essentially the people mostly supporting those who are shitting on us and MNS in Mr nice co site for some time now insane.
This site has gone from being Mr nice seed bank and research forum site as was shantis doctrine at the start to now being the stepping stone for people wanting to crack into the seed bisness.
More seeds have been past out that are not Mr nice co seeds and grown than what are shantis seed and you all talk about respecting shanti ha ? well your kidding your selfs as hows is that respecting shanti when your clearly going against his wishes here.
More non Mr nice lines are grown and documented on this site now than Mr nice lines are .
Not one of you in here posting cares about shantis wishes you only care about what you your self plan to get out of being here .
You lot can no longer hide from the truth as it will just keep slapping you in the face reality is shantis a nice guy he knows whats going on and been going on for some time as do most in this site that opt to sit back and keep quiet the only ones being fooled here is you lot that think you have the rest of us fooled.
merry Christmas i wish you all well and i hope you all get what you seek from this community as thats the only reason most that cause the drama came here for.
looks like Jesse is the last man standing if he leaves then the original Mr nice army is no more it was the Mr nice army now its the Mr nice lone soldier over looking the dream that was.
Ps dont bring my name up again you do not want me logging back in.
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Brick Top
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I would never swear to its accuracy but several pieces I have read said it is believed to have begun in what is now Turkmenistan and a couple other pieces just said in the general vicinity of the Caspian Sea, which is a large area, but then Turkmenistan is next to the Caspian Sea, so that is somewhat similar in claimed location.
I would be stunned if anyone is ever able to prove it's true region of origin.
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coop
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welcome to the cannabis militia
b0b_b1tch1n
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And you wanna report me for talking to BigHerb? WTF? Learn to stay outta people's way just like Shanti suggested at the end of my thread. TY.
I'm not mad at anyone. I have not threatened anyone with violence. I have not stated any homophobic comments (as above).
OK I won't ask Mr Big anymore questions because his article simply cannot be questioned without the anti-Hempy squad chiming in.
Mon fini ici. Merci et au revior.
Peace
GM1
piss off troll , we arent as stupid as you look , , your fake mr, innocent act does NOT work you were trolling him plain as day
you are a young punk and a very big annoyance
grow up or go away TROLL !
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Sensimilla13
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Hey Brick Top,
Funny you mentioned that because as I was waiting for my phone to charge I was thinking "hey, the Chinese are the first documented users of cannabis and the Himalayas are pretty big, lol, so it makes sense that the plant evolved on the other side"...then I get back on here and you posted this so looked at the map and sure enough, a huge plain/valley just east of there.
Also, prove is a strong word but scientist are pretty good and narrowing down a region and time that species evolved using genetics, natural history and fossil data. For example, there is solid evidence that the apple tree evolved in Kazakhstan.
Cheers,
Sensi
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coop
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the apple and cannabis are commonly confused in some ancient texts too. 
back to Colombians for a minute was just looking at mjbotany and was reading this:
back to Colombians for a minute was just looking at mjbotany and was reading this:
b0b_b1tch1n
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oh look another new member thinking they know whats going on
member was the wrong word sorry , another new TROLL
go away and when you grow some balls come back with your original id
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Kangativa
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wanagrowbigbud
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Maybe u guys should have some tripping grass to help chill out a bit, nothing else is working
What colour do the stems turn on those mushrooms when you pinch em kanga ?
Brings back a few memories ... I have some nice spores from ralph I should send you ..
orangutang
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FFS, just a load of people fighting and hempy doing his crazy old loon routine, seems no-one cares about sorting fact from fiction anymore...
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Kangativa
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What colour do the stems turn on those mushrooms when you pinch em kanga ?
Brings back a few memories ... I have some nice spores from ralph I should send you ..
Blue, blue and more Blue
What more spores
I have more of them in the patch than plants
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coop
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are you growing rye for 2012 too kanga?
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Brick Top
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Since there is far more that I have not read than what I have read, and some things while believed by some to be proven facts are really nothing more than very compelling very believable theories, the reasons I said I would be stunned if anyone is ever able to prove it's true region of origin is, the planet is rather large and it has changed a great deal over time and there is the possibility that no one will ever look in precisely the right location, and might not now be able to look in the right location, to find irrefutable proof for the exact location, or at least precise regional location for the origin of cannabis.
Then there is the question of it's origin being that of a single plant that was monoecious, because would Mother Nature or whoever or whatever, gamble on the hermaphroditic abilities of cannabis to reproduce, and later did cannabis evolve into being dioecious? Or was there a group of plants, small or large, that came into being at the same time and were dioecious, or did they still begin as monoecious and later evolve into being dioecious?
And in either case did from that one beginning location cannabis spread around the world and due to environmental conditions, or whatever, evolve from whatever it originally began as into what we call sativa, indica and ruderalis?
Or was evolution or creation, by whoever or whatever, occurring in different locations, that might have been more or less during the same time frame, or possibly many, many years apart, but one or more of those types evolved or were created for their specific locational conditions and then spread, but there was not an actual evolution from one type to another as cannabis spread around the world and instead each type spread as far as it could but only managed to make a foothold and survive where conditions were right for it to grow?
Maybe had I researched more I might not wonder about so many what ifs, but then even if I had, for as exacting as scientific research can be, even the most accepted of facts can at a later date turn out to be wrong, or at least come under question.
All you have to do it look at Einstein's speed of light being the fastest speed achievable now being questioned due to the fairly recent experiments that appears to have found neutrinos traveling faster than the speed of light to make you wonder if any accepted facts are really carved in stone.
Sensimilla13
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Hey Brick,
all valid points...though you do carry heavy skepticism...which is actually a great way to think about all things scientific. All we can di is analyze the data in front of us, conclude what we can from it and no more...then be willing to look at any new information that may change the way we look at things. We humans think we know a great deal...I think we're a pretty delusional species as a whole and very ignorant to many phenomena around us.
In terms of the monecious vs dioecious scenarios...I believe that the potential for those traits were probably present long before the differentiation of Cannabis as a species, or possibly as a result of many generations of inbreeding...who knows really? I also think that most drug cannabis strains have been grown by people and thus selected in some way for thousands of years, coupled with being taken to every corner of the globe and all of the climates that entails, which has contributed greatly to the diversity of the species.
But I agree with you in many ways that the status of the plant itself makes answering these even more difficult!
Cheers,
Sensi
all valid points...though you do carry heavy skepticism...which is actually a great way to think about all things scientific. All we can di is analyze the data in front of us, conclude what we can from it and no more...then be willing to look at any new information that may change the way we look at things. We humans think we know a great deal...I think we're a pretty delusional species as a whole and very ignorant to many phenomena around us.
In terms of the monecious vs dioecious scenarios...I believe that the potential for those traits were probably present long before the differentiation of Cannabis as a species, or possibly as a result of many generations of inbreeding...who knows really? I also think that most drug cannabis strains have been grown by people and thus selected in some way for thousands of years, coupled with being taken to every corner of the globe and all of the climates that entails, which has contributed greatly to the diversity of the species.
But I agree with you in many ways that the status of the plant itself makes answering these even more difficult!
Cheers,
Sensi
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Kangativa
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Look mate you can all sit around a campfire and smoke a joint together and sort fact from fiction and laugh about the agrees and disagree's, but on the net its a completely different story and it just leads to a big shit fight and a thread gets ruined.
It is not that no one cares it is just that everyone has had enough of all the fighting going on in MNS.
In house fighting breeds trolls, they thrive on it. If we all just do as Shanti says and just agree to disagree and move on then this site would be the best. So lets make MNS the campfire.
Remember we are all here because of this....
BH..it has haze in it
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