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cheesefucker
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What are his yields like Jetlife if you don't mind me asking and I take it he grows outdoors ?
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he has a few outdoors but is mainly indoors. got an entire room, so the stink stays put. hahaha. he's in california and grows legally so its really whatever.
i know he pulls no less than a pound a plant outdoors, depending on the strain.
indoors he runs MTF clones only. yields 2.5 ounces a plant on the dot every single time. hahaha. he has that shit diallllled in!
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Brick Top
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When is the last time you saw George Will or Charles Krauthammer or Josh Kraushaar or Caroline Glick or Bob Woodward or Carl Bernstein or any journalist hold a press conference or hold a question and answer session about an article they wrote? It doesn't happen because it is not the job of a journalist to answer the questions of those who read their articles.
A journalist picks a subject and then researches it as fully and as completely as possible. They speak to as many people as possible that were involved with some event and or investigated an event and those where were not key central players in the event, but were still close enough to it to have some knowledge of the event. If there are other sources of information newspaper or magazine articles, police reports, previously written historical accounts they too are researched.
In the end the journalist puts together what they have learned from their research and from that write their article.
One way that Hempy went way overboard was to call Big Herb a liar, multiple times, for what Big Herb said in his piece. I have no idea if Big Herb's piece is flawless or riddled with flaws, and for that fact neither does Hempy. He only likes to believe he knows.
But regardless of if there are flaws, if a journalist receives incorrect information from a source or sources, regardless of it being unintentional on the part of the source or intentional on the part of the source, that means there will be flaws in the journalists work. But that does not make the journalist a liar. It means he/she was supplied with incorrect information. Information the journalist would have no way of knowing it was inaccurate and would have no reason to doubt it so their using it would not in any way, shape or form make them a liar because what they wrote was written in good faith based on information they gathered that was believed to be in good faith.
Hempy had no reason or right to call Big Herb a liar. None whatsoever.
If those Big Herb talked to, or exchanged emails with, or whatever, and what he researched from other types of sources either had, or were based on, flawed memories or maybe someone's big egos who wanted to put themselves into the story and maybe in a key central roll or maybe someone had an axe to grind with someone so they diminished the part that person or people played in events, or maybe someone felt they should not fully divulge certain things to protect certain people, or even themselves, or whatever, they would be responsible for any inaccuracies or flat out lies. Not Big Herb. He could only write his piece based on what he learned through researching his various sources, and it was not his responsibility to force everyone he spoke with to answer his questions while they were hooked up to a lie detector machine or after being given a shot of truth serum.
And when it comes to divulging sources, who people are, well just think back to Watergate and the source named Deep Throat. Neither Bob Woodward or Carl Bernstein divulged who Deep Throat was. At the age of something like 91 years old a former FBI Agent named W. Mark Felt admitted he was Deep Throat. That was in 2005, roughly some 33 years after the initial story that led to the Watergate scandal. So it is not like there is some rock solid unalterable precedent stating that sources need be revealed.
You were as wrong to say; "If BigHerb answered Hempy's questions with honesty (like a good "journalist" should)" as Hempy was to call Big Herb a liar based on the information in his article.
You took an indefensible position to attempt to defend an indefensible act on the part of Hempy.
Brick Top brings up an excellent point.
After reading his post, and thinking for a bit, it brought me to this...
SOME MEMBERS of the site has expressed deep concern with people credibility... which is understandable...
but hey!
THIS IS THE CANNABIS COMMUNITY WE ARE TALKING ABOUT!
regardless of what you want to say, its a shady community due to it just being an illegal thing on all levels i.e. cultivation, posession, etc etc etc...
Theres a reason why some people havent gotten popped yet.
They keep their mouths shut, and if they are in the limelight, they divulge just enough to get people to shut up.
Were all Criminals here in one way, shape, or form. Even if you have a medical Card in the states.
unless youre in canada... and damn. im jealous. hahahahaha.
After reading his post, and thinking for a bit, it brought me to this...
SOME MEMBERS of the site has expressed deep concern with people credibility... which is understandable...
but hey!
THIS IS THE CANNABIS COMMUNITY WE ARE TALKING ABOUT!
regardless of what you want to say, its a shady community due to it just being an illegal thing on all levels i.e. cultivation, posession, etc etc etc...
Theres a reason why some people havent gotten popped yet.
They keep their mouths shut, and if they are in the limelight, they divulge just enough to get people to shut up.
Were all Criminals here in one way, shape, or form. Even if you have a medical Card in the states.
unless youre in canada... and damn. im jealous. hahahahaha.
joaquin386
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Please hempy leave MrNice. Go to another site. You are really annoying. Please go AWAY!!!!
All 47 pages held my interest here. Strain and breeder history is interesting largely due to the mystery and controversies.
I would also like to add that i cant remember what ate for dinner monday. Thats a couple days, not 40+ years. Of course there is murkiness and inconsistancies in memories of individuals. Part of the intrigue.
I would also like to add that i cant remember what ate for dinner monday. Thats a couple days, not 40+ years. Of course there is murkiness and inconsistancies in memories of individuals. Part of the intrigue.
jack hairy
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its pretty funny how hempy is mad at bh for writing a better article than his buddy jesse.
so first hempy says bigherb stole info from jesse, then he goes to say all the info is false.
he didnt trash jesse's haze article claiming everything prior to nevil was irrelevant.
when its his buddy its the truth.
when its bigherb, it must be a lie because bigherb doesnt grow.
what a joke.
so first hempy says bigherb stole info from jesse, then he goes to say all the info is false.
he didnt trash jesse's haze article claiming everything prior to nevil was irrelevant.
when its his buddy its the truth.
when its bigherb, it must be a lie because bigherb doesnt grow.
what a joke.
ganja man1
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What ever Brick. I knew you'd be the first to troll the question with one of your over lengthy speeches. Are you the voice of BigHerb now?
All I'm saying is that Hempy challenged BigHerb for writing the article, and as always, the whole anti-hempy brigade piles in.
IMHO Hempy has contributed more to this forum than anyone else. He is the most passionate about cannabis (not just haze) than anyone else and it appears that many of you are, dare I say it, jealous of him. Telling him to leave this and telling him to leave that. Certain people posting childish vids etc. Ridiculous. Ridiculous!
In any event, if he does leave this time then at least he won't have anymore parasites nibbling at him eh lol.
Peace out!
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Brick Top
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JessE
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Hi all,
For many years here at MNS haze has been a hot topic, with certain members including hempy and l33t showing exceptional interest and knowledge in the strain. Reading through this thread, it appears as if hempy is the only member with a true interest in separating fact from fiction. Interesting to see so many members participating off topic in a thread they have little to add too.
Brick, you claim you have pointed out how 100% wrong hempy is for questioning the validity of the this write up, however I am very curious as to why bigherb claimed to have not know of the long known haze brother "J" when he clearly wrote in his write up that he had spoken to "J."
It would seem bigherb is having a hard time keeping up with his own story, and considering the rest of the information presented and its questionable nature I would say hempy is well within reason to question bigherb on an article that was sent to thousands of people around the world.
Those people have no way of checking facts, and will likely assume the information presented is accurate and fair. Considering the number of people who will read that piece, and the already clouded nature of the story itself, bigherb has many questions to answer and the article is his responsibility.
When questionable information is presented to the public, it will always be open for academic review.
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jack hairy
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academic review
hempy is far from rational enough to give any review.
did you read where he said anything predating nevil and sam is irrelevant?
that right there shows an ignorant person unwilling to listen to possibilities.
haze didnt materialize out of the "haze" or thin air, there is certainly a lineage to it.
Thanks to bigherb now we have another possibility to ponder.
haze existed before amsterdam, however clouded that early history is.
the people that created it are not dead yet. the real info can come forth still.
hempy is far from rational enough to give any review.
did you read where he said anything predating nevil and sam is irrelevant?
that right there shows an ignorant person unwilling to listen to possibilities.
haze didnt materialize out of the "haze" or thin air, there is certainly a lineage to it.
Thanks to bigherb now we have another possibility to ponder.
haze existed before amsterdam, however clouded that early history is.
the people that created it are not dead yet. the real info can come forth still.
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JessE
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Hi,
For many years the two known haze brothers were described as "R" and "J" according to Sam the Skunkman and Sam had even claimed to be an un-official third haze brother, "shemp" as he referred to himself.
In bigherb's article we see a cast of new characters introduced to the story, whom were previously absent for a number of years in the public realm prior to bigherb's article.
Now when drastically new information arrives that differs substantially to the previously known record, it is common practice for that information to be questioned until it meets a certain threshold of validity that can be reviewed and found to be fact by others. That is generally the way new idea's and concepts are handled until demonstrated reliable and fair.
In this article we find a majority of the information presented to be sourced to an unknown individual whom bigherb claims to have spoke with on the phone.
This information is most difficult for the thousands of readers at Treating Yourself Magazine to check and review, as it is for most of us reading this thread as well. This fact alone draws scrutiny to bigherb's write up and sends red flags up that perhaps not everything is as koscher with this piece as the author or others would like them to believe.
So bigherb has claimed to not have heard of the very people he claimed to have spoken with in his article, and has wrote about characters previously unknown which can not be sourced or checked to information prior to bigherb's article. An article which is all derived from a character bigherb met online, whom he spoke with on the phone, who relayed information no one had previously heard of prior to the write up in question.
Frankly im surprised more people have not questioned the validity of the "facts" presented, however it is not hard to understand when you consider how few truly have looked into the information on their own and how many others only have a casual interest in a subject clouded in mystery and unknowns.
For many years the two known haze brothers were described as "R" and "J" according to Sam the Skunkman and Sam had even claimed to be an un-official third haze brother, "shemp" as he referred to himself.
In bigherb's article we see a cast of new characters introduced to the story, whom were previously absent for a number of years in the public realm prior to bigherb's article.
Now when drastically new information arrives that differs substantially to the previously known record, it is common practice for that information to be questioned until it meets a certain threshold of validity that can be reviewed and found to be fact by others. That is generally the way new idea's and concepts are handled until demonstrated reliable and fair.
In this article we find a majority of the information presented to be sourced to an unknown individual whom bigherb claims to have spoke with on the phone.
This information is most difficult for the thousands of readers at Treating Yourself Magazine to check and review, as it is for most of us reading this thread as well. This fact alone draws scrutiny to bigherb's write up and sends red flags up that perhaps not everything is as koscher with this piece as the author or others would like them to believe.
So bigherb has claimed to not have heard of the very people he claimed to have spoken with in his article, and has wrote about characters previously unknown which can not be sourced or checked to information prior to bigherb's article. An article which is all derived from a character bigherb met online, whom he spoke with on the phone, who relayed information no one had previously heard of prior to the write up in question.
Frankly im surprised more people have not questioned the validity of the "facts" presented, however it is not hard to understand when you consider how few truly have looked into the information on their own and how many others only have a casual interest in a subject clouded in mystery and unknowns.
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jack hairy
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the only new character, not cast of characters, is G.
and he is not new at all.
G is J
this is new info, sams called him J but its really G.
big deal, is that all you guys have to scrutinize? its just a fictitious initial to refer to a person.
and he is not new at all.
G is J
this is new info, sams called him J but its really G.
big deal, is that all you guys have to scrutinize? its just a fictitious initial to refer to a person.
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coop
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funny we say the same about you.
Now you both have your own gospel.
Hempy could have one too: except it would be the Gospel of Sean
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JessE
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Jack,
In Bigherb's article he clearly differentiates between the individual known as G, and the individual known as J.
Example 1
http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/4-talk-shantibaba-mrnice/8434-true-origins-haze-bigherbs-article.html
Example 2
http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/4-talk-shantibaba-mrnice/8434-true-origins-haze-bigherbs-article.html
So it looks like there must be another explanation to your assumptions.
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Brick Top
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No, JessE, that is not at all what I said. I said that I pointed out how Hempy was 100% wrong to call Big Herb a liar for what was in Big Herb's article, and I was accurate in what I said.
There is a night and day difference between what I actually said and what you incorrectly attempted to claim I said.
matthewriot
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JessE
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Straw man.
Brick Top,
You did not address any of the points I brought up, which hempy had also previously discussed. Bigherb claimed to not know of the haze brother "J" but in his article claimed to have spoken with "J".
You also have not addressed the fact all of the information derived is from an anonymous online source, whom bigherb claims to have spoken with on the phone.
All of these points have been previously addressed, and you're attempting to play word games. I am not interested in straw man tactics, I am interesting in discussing the topic at hand. All of this information and more fly's in the face of years of research, and at a forum where this subject has a long history of being discussed it will most certainly remain so for long to come I suspect.
So are any of you actually willing to discuss the topic at hand, or are you going to be insistent on playing MTV Real World games where you concentrate more on personalities instead of facts.
This is the MNS Seedbank and Research forum, time to discuss this "research" and topic at hand.
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JessE
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Hi Matt,
I think you may be slightly confused, the haze brother known as "J" has been a long time, well known character in the haze story as told by Sam the Skunk Man.
It is in fact the other character, "G" who is new to the story. Not to mention a number of other assertions within the article are also questionable with little to no prior information prior to bigherbs article to support the information presented within.
And to be honest Matt, im not surprised you're confused. This is exactly why this information needs to be discussed, just look at the mess this article has caused already. Thank you for the kind words, always appreciated Matt.
jack hairy
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sorry jesse, but your comprehension is lacking.
in the original story there would be 2 "J"s. one of the 2 growers and one of the 3 consumers. i know, hard to believe 2 people with the same initials.
in bigherbs article, he brings to light that the grower previously known as J is actually better (or lesser) known as G. maybe something sams tried to hide
so please reread the article and try to keep up before trying to defend your buddy hempy's nonsense.
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