The True Origins of Haze- BigHerb's Article

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Bob no but bigs lied as has Sam thats the point i tried to make and why i sed nothing before the time Sam and Neville germinated haze in Amsterdam matters any longer does it.

Bob dont try twisting my wards mate this is what i sed.

Let me ask you something if some one was to post and say your mullum is fake and Neville's haze was in fact Original haze from the Dutchman and then that was published in a magazine would you feel that was okay and would Neville feel that was okay my bet would be no and that is why the truth matters.
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And why am i the one here defending my self and have from ward go its like all of you are blind to the truth.

how about you direct your questions to big and Sam as there the ones with holes in there story's here not me rember that all the info i used came from them end of story.
 
hempy said:
Really wally and how did you come to this conclusion ? Seriously mate why are you even posting trying to piss me off more so than i all ready am with all this.

So the fact Bigherb called Sam and his information not credible and then used a guy from the INTERNET to tell him a story about haze on the phone credible is it.

And then bigherb because he needed Sam to back his fairy tale then sed Sam's information was then credible because it backed his side of events.

Your kiding your self.

Your insulting my intellect wally.

Nothing Sam has posted relating to the haze story before Sam and Neville germinated the haze seed has stayed true so get a grip wally as thats the truth.
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Bob Marley-Don't worry be happy - YouTube
thats all you need to worry about ,,
medicate hourly if needed and listen to these tunes ...
 
Sing it Hempy

Cant remember where u stashed your heads , you thought you stuck your last ounce under de bed , dont worry be happy.
Your dope dealer says your credit is late , now you'll have to go and bite your mates , dont worry be happy
Aint got no hash , been straight for a while but when you find that block you get a smile

DONT WORRY BE HAPPY . ;)
 
Hi Hempy....."Let me ask you something if some one was to post and say your mullum is fake "

Mate you know I would ignore them these days as it is just not worth it and I believe Nev would do the same now, he has learnt like I did along time ago .....you never win on the internet.

You know mate all I really want to see is this place as a community, not a place to argue with people.
If you dont like what BH has written then write your own story.....put your point across so people can discuss what you have taken the time to find out.

Also I dont like seeing u get attacked like this all the time because I know u as a person.....but if you keep this war up it will forever be like that, but if you go back to what u are good at, then all will be good.
People just dont want it anymore they want to come to MNS and read about what this place has to offer and that is some great growers, growing great Genetics.
Honestly mate you are beating your head against a wall if you think you are going to change anything......you might hava chance in real life, but not on the internet.
 
Kangativa said:
Hi Hempy....."Let me ask you something if some one was to post and say your mullum is fake "

Mate you know I would ignore them these days as it is just not worth it and I believe Nev would do the same now, he has learnt like I did along time ago .....you never win on the internet.

You know mate all I really want to see is this place as a community, not a place to argue with people.
If you dont like what BH has written then write your own story.....put your point across so people can discuss what you have taken the time to find out.

Also I dont like seeing u get attacked like this all the time because I know u as a person.....but if you keep this war up it will forever be like that, but if you go back to what u are good at, then all will be good.
People just dont want it anymore they want to come to MNS and read about what this place has to offer and that is some great growers, growing great Genetics.
Honestly mate you are beating your head against a wall if you think you are going to change anything......you might hava chance in real life, but not on the internet.
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I just contacted shanti and asked to be deleted you know me and you know i am honest and i am straight up mate cannabis is and has been my life since i was a young guy .

I find it disturbing that i am singled out for pointing out the truth i am called a bastard trolled and nothings is sed nothing has changed.

Take care.
 
hempy said:
why the insults bob did i insult you no did i insult any one here no yet you all are up to the same old tactics and bull shit to cover up more lies.
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hempy please dont think im having a go at you as im not, but i just need to point something out, when you cant discuss things in a friendly way its an insult to shanti, shanti has came on and backed you up hempy time after time and this is how you repay him time after time, dont think shanti wants you to leave hempy but the last thing he wants to see is you arguing with nearly every member here which seems to happen time after time as well, hempy you owe it to shanti man no1 else, i have promised shanti im gonna keep out of certain threads and not get into pissing matches with strangers i dont know on the internet, maybe you should do the same, be part of the solution not a part of the problem hempy which is what im trying to do, as i say hempy im not having a go at you but i do fell you owe it to shanti to at least try and discuss things like an adult hempy, we all do, tc hempy.
 
its a story thats all, although posted as fact "TRUE origins"

that is my problem when people write there own history. if its presented as fact than a large portion of the audience will take it for granted, and then of course tell all thier friends.

well im not calling anyone a liar but i'll believe nevils story thats already on here. the one were he got the seeds directly off sam, they were old seed and he paid a lot of money for them, sam needed the money at the time. sam later asked for royalties from the hybrids nevil made from his selected haze parents, remember sam only passed on seeds that he got from someone else, it was not sams creation or work he was effectively a vendor if you like.

what is sams story today? as im not up to date the article says nev got his haze from sam, but sam has already claimed that nev didnt get his haze from him?

in the end its all history, a chance event. i believe we should be doing nothing other than preserving the best haze we have (NH or NH x non AC haze), along with creating the next 'haze type' sativa multi hybrid.

one day i wanna cross my black widow to my golden tiger seeds this would give me a Mallawi x Highland thai X South Indian x Brazilian F1. this kinda shit is how it all happened to begin with. i would like to make heaps of these seeds for a future NH cross.

i guess to put it all together, way to much focus on the history of an old variety, when we all should be focusing on the next multi sativa super hybrid.

cheers
 
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hempy said:
I just contacted shanti and asked to be deleted....
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Again?? LOL, that's like 3 times in the last two months or something! That must be some sort of record.

If you really are leaving this time, be well hempy. I may disagree with you on some things, but I still respect you as a fellow grower and ganja man.

Take care,

HB.
 
hempy said:
I just contacted shanti and asked to be deleted
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Your habit of trolling and destroying fun interesting peaceful threads had me so fed up with this site that I was going to leave and I asked Shanti to delete my account. His response was that I would have to ask admini to delete the account. That is who handles those duties of the website.

So make the same request to have your account deleted to admini and then this place can become a peaceful fun interesting site.

If you don't ask admini, then just like other times you have said you have asked Shanti to delete your account you are only being a drama queen and playing the poor, poor pitiful me victim card again.

I am sure that most people, me included, would prefer that you just take a chill pill and stop rampaging through threads like a bull in a china shop and instead talk growing and share what valuable information you have.

But I also am sure that if you are not willing to down a chill pill and change your ways, most people, me included, would say that you have gone way beyond the point of put up or shut up with your I'm leaving, I'm leaving, I'm leaving theatrics, and just contact admini, as you need to do to get your account deleted, and get the Hell out of Dodge once and for all.
 
I don't get it. So Hempy's a troll just because he dares questions BigHerb about his "article" on Haze:confused:

If BigHerb answered Hempy's questions with honesty (like a good "journalist" should) instead of having the old "anti-Hempy brigade" jumping on his back and being told to "stay outta my thread", surely that would've been a better route to go, would it not :confused:

Peace
GM1
 
I am sure that most people, me included, would prefer that you just take a chill pill and stop rampaging through threads like a bull in a china shop and instead talk growing and share what valuable information you have.
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That would be very nice. It is also quite important at this time, to make as much of a record as you can in the community, Jesse has pointed out some dangers looming, Chimera has, others have, here and this really should be where all our heads are at this moment in time.

Nev also said it well, the Law, is not really not the big problem we face, or did not. However now big Corps is coming, they are here, now, and the future on out for the plant is in your hands people. This generation are the people that will define how the species goes forward. You, yes - you.

For me, there is a line in the sand that means old differences, personal issues or whatever are meaningless now. IF we can prove prior use of genetics, they stay public domain, then you will have saved genes from 'ownership' in the future. They will be the lines that will be what your children, their children, researchers, and the medical MMJ movement along with the patients have access too here on out. Regardless of legal status.

Instead of bashing ego's in a thread on Haze and whose is what, we should all be in the thread Jesse started to discuss these matters, Chimera, Nev where there too. Jesse asked ''but what was before the haze?'' above we see Californian bred 'Cali Gold', 'Cali Green' pure Sativa hybrids, and others from before the time 'Haze Brothers' planted a seed, according to the '3rd' Haze brother Sam.

We need to drop these clashes and ego's, do something more for this species.

I've no interest in this thread, but would invite you all to reconsider this thread of Jesse's and appeal to you to drop ego's and understand what is at stake here. If this site is founded upon and stays true to freedom, truth, then it is a good place for this community to discuss it as any.

Science is advancing fast, the genome is being mapped, its like ground zero for the species friends. With mapped genome, amazing public domain genepool the future for us, and our children on is incredibly exciting. Time to think about the plant, and all she has brought you, us and drop the egos.

Peace, hey nice to see you Bricktop.

HHF
 
So what can we learn from Big Herbs article ? I for one feel inspired from it and I couldnt care less if its true or not now im sick of looking in the past anyways. What I feel inspired by is that any grower has the possibility of finding that new strain that puts a stupid grin on your face so long as we start popping seeds. Pop as many seeds as you can and grow em as big as you can and start getting people high again instead of stoned. Remember Sam said that their was nothing big or fancy going on with high tech greenhouses it was just a guy who wanted some free smoke and make a bit of dosh like everyone on here. I say start collecting as many seeds as possible and pop em see what you get and for love of god SHARE. Growing is for everyone
 
there is always room for everyone

if they stay polite and let threads evolve

elegantly

come on youse guy's!!
 
I also think its important to really study organics and the soil and learn to read the plant. Those guys in the past had no fancy nutrient bottles they understood about soil and used what was around them like proper farmers. Like allot of new younger growers I thought a bottle nutes was the answer to my problems and those grow shop owners are more than happy to try and sell you stuff you don't need. Study organics and don't get ripped of.
 
very true cheesefucker!

my father started in the early 70's and said they didnt use nutes like we do today. they had a miracle gro "supplement" on the market back then, but it was really hit or miss.

my father would use fish heads, emulsion, rotten fruit, bone meal, epsom salt... really just random ass shit my father would hear about, and then try out back then.

there was no Fox Farm full line of Nutes, or Advanced nutrients, straight made for cannabis type of stuff.

my pops still goes pure organic, and i dont think hell ever change his method. its solid. cant fix something that aint fucked up!
 
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