The True Origins of Haze- BigHerb's Article

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jack hairy said:
with all of hempys haze knowledge, he doesnt seem to understand that there were a group of 3 smokers known as the haze brothers that brought it east. then there were the 2 growers, who were never known as the haze brothers, they were the growers.

since hempy cant wrap his mind around that, and since he has NO valid info to add to the origins of haze, he should stop posting here.
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Jack your attempting to confuse everyone with the facts which is big has named a mystery third brother G when there were only two previusly in R and J as Sam has posted for a decade on.

After I pointed that out with quotes from Sam then they tried to make J and G the same though herb clearly wrote about both G and J separately.

Its all there for you to read so Pay attention mate.

There trying to make J into G its a fail as is trying to say for a decade there were only 2 haze brothers and now there is a magical 3rd a decade late its all there if you want to read it a blind make could see this.
 
hempy said:
No what i did in this post was point out the holes in bigs article and story along with Sam's story who backed bigs article you see coop like it or not big opened him self up to scrutiny and criticism after he published his article so live with it and stop trolling me along with the rest of your mates.
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repeatedly posting the same thing is not pointing out holes in bigs article.

We are on repeat, every week here Hempy.
Every week you pull the same shit, and every week the 5 of us tell you to cut the shit out.

It really is enough already. If you can't grow up. remember when you might have been a child. Some elder in you life should have told you if you have nothing good to say keep your mouth shut. You never have anything good to say. So therefore keep your mouth shut.
 
hempy said:
Jack your attempting to confuse everyone with the facts which is big has named a mystery third brother G when there were only two previusly in R and J as Sam has posted for a decade on.

After I pointed that out with quotes from Sam then they tried to make J and G the same though herb clearly wrote about both G and J separately.

Its all there for you to read so Pay attention mate.

There trying to make J into G its a fail as is trying to say for a decade there were only 2 haze brothers and now there is a magical 3rd a decade late its all there if you want to read it a blind make could see this.
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if you read carefully, you will see that the J mentioned was one of the 3 haze brothers from the east

i know, i know, it sure is hard to believe that 2 people could have the same first initial.

either way, it is a bit irrelevant to the point of the story.

Hempy, why dont you tell us about punto rojo and if it is possible that it is the source of the haze genetics that nevil did such great work on further down the road.
 
here hempy, i dug it up for you so you dont have to BS anyone.

G, the creator and main grower had a partner named R.L. for a few seasons. R.L. lived nearby and had his own greenhouse. G and R.L. grew upward of 150 pounds of haze each year. The pair never went by the name the haze brothers. The haze seed was highly protected and the grows were under tight control. Few were lucky enough to be part of the growing efforts. There were actually several players involved, but again they were all closely guarded. Many wanted in on the Haze grows, but access was strictly-off limits. R.C was one of them. Better known as Robert C.Clarke, R.C. was from the Cruz and was attending college at the time, practicing his craft- experimenting like a mad scientist, and working his way toward a bachelors and masters degree. R.C. followed his passion, and has made many contributions to our community since then with his books and articles. Another young man who lived in the Cruz , now known as Sam the Skunkman, went on to become a prolific figure in the cannabis movement and industry. The man’s contributions are immeasurable and his passion has shaped the cannabis evolution today. The effects of his contributions can especially be seen in what is considered today to be the cannabis Mecca Holland. When SAMS and R.C. came to Holland in 1984, the standard changed for high quality bud in Holland- a traditionally hash smoking country. Along with many of California’s praised genetics, he introduced Europe to haze.

During the seventies, three brothers from new jersey, two of whom were attending college in the Cruz , started to bring large amounts of the haze back east during a series of trips. The three brothers lets call Joey Bobby and Petey. All three brothers were great writers and cannabis connoisseurs who were the ones to coin the name “haze brothers``. While No one else called them by the name, the Santa Cruz team had created more creative names for the brothers. The eldest brother, J whom I spoke with recently has been quite busy and furthermore successful is doing quite well. Throughout the years, J followed his passion went on to become a great writer and still lives in the Cruz. Back then, J was cut out of the circle for breaking the cardinal rule which was the kiss of death. The brothers were strictly consumers that brokered large amounts of haze back east. They knew nothing about growing it, but they were very familiar with smoking it. During the late 1970’s, most of the haze on the east coast, particularly the tri-state area, came from the brothers.
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I have thort about what has bigherb got to gain from this and then i started to think about things.

Bigherb from day dot has had this fixation about piff from NYC since day 1 of his arrival on to the Sean.

Then even after sam told him in a post the haze brothers never went to NYC or did there seed he was still pushing for it to be true.

Big has never done a grow post he has never posted a single picture and all he has honestly done is harass growers for smoke reports and reports on the smell of the flowers and if it had a frankincense smell very odd.

He big herb if you in fact read his post you would relies if you were a grower know that the guy does not grow because it is very apparent in how he posts.

He asked question like a crazed reporter he denied he was ever going to write an article well that was a lie.

Then when Neville showed up it was Christmas for big as he had the missing peace to the puzzle his been working so hard on that being haze story.

He went to work on Neville like he had on Sam and in short like Sam only took what he big herb felt he needed and not using all the info coming from Sam and Neville he big herb only used what he felt he needed why.

Well its clear it was for an article his article.

So how does a guy that has never posted a grow threat or a plant picture become a haze expert ? ask big he will tell you lol.

What is bigs real agenda here well i believe it is to discredit Sam and Neville and then use his fictional made up entity in a short time to finally say haze was in fact taken to NYC and grown there and it is also called piff so when will we see seeds big lol.
 
i wish Nev would come in and post , im sure he knows a bit about the haze history from before he recieved seeds , i meen he must have been told something about them right , sure would be nice to hear from him

peace :cool:
 
Hi ,
particularly hi to mr hemp ,,
please man ,
shanti has made it pretty clear he doesnt want t his sort of posting ,
please respect t hose wishes ,
you really are trolling mr bigherb ,
and theres no need ,
you had your say ,
everyone got your point ,
so its time to move on man ,
theres nothing more to be said ..

would you like me to quote mr shantis post ???
 
Here jack read these.

Burning Bush was an Original Haze with a strong Thai influence. I named it.
There were only Two Haze Brothers and they did not go to NYC and visit HT.
Joe Haze is not a Haze brother. The Haze Brothers did not grow Indica's, they grew Sativa's.
They did grow my Skunk #1 after 1980, because it was easier and faster for them.
-SamS
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Funny, I still know them and they both said point blank no way.
BTW One of the Haze Bros spent all of the 80's & 90's in Mexico retired, the other Haze grower had quit growing Original Haze in 1980 because he found Skunk #1 easier to grow. Niether ever made large batches of seeds, and as far as I know neither had any Original Haze seeds left by the early 1980's when Neville got them from the Haze Bros??? And they both clearly said they did not sell Neville anything, or even meet him.

Remember that Shantibaba was not around when Neville claimed to get Original Haze Seeds from the Haze Bros, he may well have been told this by Neville but it does not make it true. Neville has been know to bend the truth more then once, and has lied to me more then once, when it was to his advantage.

-SamS
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It is absurd that neville said he got 1969 O Haze seeds from the Haze Bros.
#1 Neville first traveled to USA in 86 or 87 at the earliest, the main Haze Brother, R was gone, retired in Mexico by 82 he did not come back for 10 years. He was the one that created O Haze. The second Haze Brother J quit growing O Haze about 1980 and only grew Skunk #1 after that, until he became a reborn christian, then he quit growing, and anyway recently he told me he never met Neville and he certainly did not sell any Haze seeds to him or anyone else ever.
#2 The Haze Bros had a falling out in the late 70's and stopped talking to one another, for certain they did not sell seeds as the Haze Bros to anyone, it is ridiculous as well as impossible.
Lets be honest Neville got the seeds from me, but he had promised me that he would not make pure Haze and sell them as such, I told him it was fine to make Haze hybrids with other varieties that were not mine.
He broke his word and started selling Haze pure and hybrids with my varieties, and I stopped working with him.
Maybe he lied to avoid the problems that accompany breaking your word? I can not say, but I know Neville did not meet the Haze Bros and did not get any O Haze seeds from them. Both the Haze Bros were close friends of mine and both were close neighbors for years, J lived a few hundred meters from my house until he departed to Mexico.

-SamS
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Originally Posted by Sam
I am the third Haze brother, AKA the unknown Haze Brother, SHEMP. Nevile did not have the Haze until the mid 80's when he started to offer haze hybrids that he made
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So is there 2 or 3 or 4 haze brothers lol.
 
Donald Mallard said:
Hi ,
particularly hi to mr hemp ,,
please man ,
shanti has made it pretty clear he doesnt want t his sort of posting ,
please respect t hose wishes ,
you really are trolling mr bigherb ,
and theres no need ,
you had your say ,
everyone got your point ,
so its time to move on man ,
theres nothing more to be said ..

would you like me to quote mr shantis post ???
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Really wally i am trolling no one but i am yet again being trolled and abused by the likes of big quoted and saved for your vueing pleasure to.

Were did shanti say that the truth did not matter or were has he sed any of us can not freely express ow vues and thorts here please show me and i will stop.

I find it a little odd that a strain of such importance like haze is not worthy of being disgust in a canna forum.

So please direct your criticism to the ones that are trolling me and attacking me that would be the proper place to vice such points instead of me i would of thort.
 
hempy said:
Really wally i am trolling no one but i am yet again being trolled and abused by the likes of big quoted and saved for your vueing pleasure to.

Were did shanti say that the truth did not matter or were has he sed any of us can not freely express ow vues and thorts here please show me and i will stop.

I find it a little odd that a strain of such importance like haze is not worthy of being disgust in a canna forum.

So please direct your criticism to the ones that are trolling me and attacking me that would be the proper place to vice such points instead of me i would of thort.
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well man the typical thing is to say your piece ,, '
respond to some comments ,
and move on ,
keeps thing s running smooth man ..
lets not clutter up bigherbs thread , ]
or any other ,,
its ok to disagree ,
but labouring the point is not ok ..
come on man , in the spirit of good will lets move on can we??
 
hempy said:
but i am yet again being trolled and abused
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Typical Hempy tactic. Troll members, abuse members, call them liars and various others things until people get sick of it and ask Hempy to knock it off and then his persecution complex kicks in and he plays the victim card.

He is totally incapable of seeing that he upsets people to the point where they cannot stand any more of his bullshit and they react and tell him that they have had more than enough ... and Hempy's normal response is; "but i am yet again being trolled and abused."

Hempy, you are like a child who repeatedly jabs a hornet's nest with a stick and when the hornets become upset and the child is eventually stung he gets mad at the hornets and blames the hornets for stinging him.
 
What i would of expected is some honesty and some real answers or comments from fellow growers and smokers not people trying to cover up such a lie.

But ha i am a realist people with agendas dont and like shanti says those with an empty barrel ( NO HONEST REPLIES OR COME BACKS ) speak or sound the lewdest.

I will sit back and see what Mr Big comes back with this will be fascinating.
 
Sorry to intrude on the thread again Big herb and not to mock your article or you but simply to make light (will remove if requested). Do you think this could be a picture of the haze brothers with their taller pretier sister?

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hempy said:
Well its clear it was for an article his article.

So how does a guy that has never posted a grow threat or a plant picture become a haze expert ? ask big he will tell you lol.

What is bigs real agenda here well i believe it is to discredit Sam and Neville and then use his fictional made up entity in a short time to finally say haze was in fact taken to NYC and grown there and it is also called piff so when will we see seeds big lol.
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His article had nothing to do with Sam or Nevil, your the one that keeps on bringing them up and looks like your trying to discredit them. The rest of us can comprehend the story Nevil has told.
 
What was the cardinal rule that the brother J broke in the article Big Herb. Thanks.
 
cheesefucker said:
What was the cardinal rule that the brother J broke in the article Big Herb. Thanks.
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I think maybe you should ask hempy lol

While I am one to ask for indepth detail,i am a man of respect an certain things I wont ask an rather not know.but I believe I understand wat happen an it had nothing to do with seeds

Plus I think leaving abit to wonder makes a great story

1luvbigherb
 
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