Skuncle Lenny
'23, '24, ‘25 COE Winner
She’s a chunky monkey, yet root bound you say. Still looks nice 
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Swifty
'23, '24, ‘25 COE Winner
The last one of the Cherry Queens is #3.
She was very squat with big leaves and had strong branches.
Her buds were small and dense but very fragrant, a complex sweet perfume like odour that was very strong.
This pheno did not show any male flowers or bananas, If she smokes good I will make some seeds with her.
CQ#3:
They are almost completely dry now.
After harvest I hung them in a cold but very dry place, I like these conditions for drying.
More after some testing!
She was very squat with big leaves and had strong branches.
Her buds were small and dense but very fragrant, a complex sweet perfume like odour that was very strong.
This pheno did not show any male flowers or bananas, If she smokes good I will make some seeds with her.
CQ#3:
They are almost completely dry now.
After harvest I hung them in a cold but very dry place, I like these conditions for drying.
More after some testing!
Swifty
'23, '24, ‘25 COE Winner
Here you see a very basic set up to keep my current mom's and dad's alive through the winter in a slightly colder environment.
I'm just a hobbyist with limited resources and always aim to keep it simple and cheap.
Todays energy prices are high and keeping clones alive can be done at low cost.
These are in there since september past year.
There are currently 40 plants in a 70cm x 35cm x 150cm tent divided over 2 levels (still have one free).
Each level has one 20w led bar, there are no fans or extraction.
So a total of 40W electricity consumption, this for 15h per day.
There are 4 passive intake/ outtake vents, 2 on the bottom and 2 on the top.
Hot air rises and this is enough to pull in fresh air from the bottom and it can escape at the top.
When its very cold I close the top vents and only leave the bottoms open to retain the heat better.
In these colder periods it does not give issues with the humidity.
These plants are in 7cm x 7cm x 8cm (0,23L) pots in Light Mix soil ammended with some Bat Guano.
I water them 1-2 times a week, always feeding them 3ml/L Alga Grow.
It is very important to keep your wet-dry cycles in tighter margins, any mistake here will result in declining health.
I have no heating mat in there now, minimum temps I get with lights on is around 15°C, 13°C when lights off.
The room they are in has minimal temps around 12-13°C.
I always let them grow at the size you see them now and then I cut them back severly. I will post a pic this weekend when they are cut back.
After around 3 weeks I repeat the proces.
When you see that their health is declining a bit you should act fast and pull them out of the pots and cut 1/3 of the rootball off and ammend the pot first with fresh soil and give them a lighter watering with feeding.
So with minimal cost but with lots of love and dedication you can keep a bigger number of clones alive through the winter.
Precious cuts are on the top level (it is a bit warmer there) and made in double.
Hope it helps somebody.
I'm just a hobbyist with limited resources and always aim to keep it simple and cheap.
Todays energy prices are high and keeping clones alive can be done at low cost.
These are in there since september past year.
There are currently 40 plants in a 70cm x 35cm x 150cm tent divided over 2 levels (still have one free).
Each level has one 20w led bar, there are no fans or extraction.
So a total of 40W electricity consumption, this for 15h per day.
There are 4 passive intake/ outtake vents, 2 on the bottom and 2 on the top.
Hot air rises and this is enough to pull in fresh air from the bottom and it can escape at the top.
When its very cold I close the top vents and only leave the bottoms open to retain the heat better.
In these colder periods it does not give issues with the humidity.
These plants are in 7cm x 7cm x 8cm (0,23L) pots in Light Mix soil ammended with some Bat Guano.
I water them 1-2 times a week, always feeding them 3ml/L Alga Grow.
It is very important to keep your wet-dry cycles in tighter margins, any mistake here will result in declining health.
I have no heating mat in there now, minimum temps I get with lights on is around 15°C, 13°C when lights off.
The room they are in has minimal temps around 12-13°C.
I always let them grow at the size you see them now and then I cut them back severly. I will post a pic this weekend when they are cut back.
After around 3 weeks I repeat the proces.
When you see that their health is declining a bit you should act fast and pull them out of the pots and cut 1/3 of the rootball off and ammend the pot first with fresh soil and give them a lighter watering with feeding.
So with minimal cost but with lots of love and dedication you can keep a bigger number of clones alive through the winter.
Precious cuts are on the top level (it is a bit warmer there) and made in double.
Hope it helps somebody.
Especially now (I will share it this evening), any information of this kind is really useful to me. Trickcomanche
Well-known member
Nice smart set up.
Swifty
'23, '24, ‘25 COE Winner
The mom's were pruned yesterday, here is how they look now.
I always try to leave 4 or more growth tips and enough small leaves to keep the sap flow going.
I spoke earlier about keeping the wet-dry cycle in tighter margins, this is a very important factor:
-If I had to put a number on it I would aim between 30-70% based on weight.
Keeping them a bit dryer when it is cold, overwatering when it is cold has always shown yellowing and brown spot on the newer leaves. If its warmer and they have a nice biomass than it is not a real problem.
-Water acording to the biomass, after pruning I always give them a smaller dose until they have build up more foliage.
-I take up every pot when watering to make correct judging on how much I will give them. Important when overwatering is something you need to avoid. Watering these 40 plants take less than 30min, this for 1-2 times a week.
-You can say that 40-50ml of water is the average for these containers depening their current moisture content.
Regarding feeding:
-A good organic grow fertilizer is al you need to keep them in good health during the winter. I use Alga Grow but anything similar should to be ok.
Feeding the soil is most important.
-After transplanting, the mom's first watering is just with plain water to activate the soil (I also use Light Mix).
This also awakens dormant bugs in the soil, I always see fungus gnats.
Pests:
The larvae of fungus gnats are small transparant worms that eat dead and living roots.
These harm plants in small containers, Big plants grow roots fast enough so a couple of worms won't do any significant damage but in a small container they can be a plant killer.
I've witnessed in the past that they ate themselve a way into into the stalk at the base of the small plant with the loss of that plant as a result.
You can spot them sometimes after a watering, they come the top of the soil.
To counter this problem I use nemathodes now.
I use them at the second and also at the third watering (most of the times there is one week between the first waterings). Make sure you don't let the soil dry out in the first weeks after applying to keep them alive.
Nemathodes do a great job but every year I see that the moms still have springtails in the soil. Springtails feed on decaying matter, I believe that they feed on dead roots and could actually help new root growth.
Anyway they don't seem to harm my cuts but that is my experience. Having no bugs in your soil is probably safer.
Always start with healthy cuts taken from healthy moms.
Here are some pictures of the soil, this after 4,5 months in 0,23L pots:
I tried to give extra info on how this works for me each year, this method is just based on experience and common sense and has proven itself over time for me.
If it can help someone to make their own protocol regarding overwintering moms, I would be happy.
Tips are always welcome, thanks.
I always try to leave 4 or more growth tips and enough small leaves to keep the sap flow going.
I spoke earlier about keeping the wet-dry cycle in tighter margins, this is a very important factor:
-If I had to put a number on it I would aim between 30-70% based on weight.
Keeping them a bit dryer when it is cold, overwatering when it is cold has always shown yellowing and brown spot on the newer leaves. If its warmer and they have a nice biomass than it is not a real problem.
-Water acording to the biomass, after pruning I always give them a smaller dose until they have build up more foliage.
-I take up every pot when watering to make correct judging on how much I will give them. Important when overwatering is something you need to avoid. Watering these 40 plants take less than 30min, this for 1-2 times a week.
-You can say that 40-50ml of water is the average for these containers depening their current moisture content.
Regarding feeding:
-A good organic grow fertilizer is al you need to keep them in good health during the winter. I use Alga Grow but anything similar should to be ok.
Feeding the soil is most important.
-After transplanting, the mom's first watering is just with plain water to activate the soil (I also use Light Mix).
This also awakens dormant bugs in the soil, I always see fungus gnats.
Pests:
The larvae of fungus gnats are small transparant worms that eat dead and living roots.
These harm plants in small containers, Big plants grow roots fast enough so a couple of worms won't do any significant damage but in a small container they can be a plant killer.
I've witnessed in the past that they ate themselve a way into into the stalk at the base of the small plant with the loss of that plant as a result.
You can spot them sometimes after a watering, they come the top of the soil.
To counter this problem I use nemathodes now.
I use them at the second and also at the third watering (most of the times there is one week between the first waterings). Make sure you don't let the soil dry out in the first weeks after applying to keep them alive.
Nemathodes do a great job but every year I see that the moms still have springtails in the soil. Springtails feed on decaying matter, I believe that they feed on dead roots and could actually help new root growth.
Anyway they don't seem to harm my cuts but that is my experience. Having no bugs in your soil is probably safer.
Always start with healthy cuts taken from healthy moms.
Here are some pictures of the soil, this after 4,5 months in 0,23L pots:
I tried to give extra info on how this works for me each year, this method is just based on experience and common sense and has proven itself over time for me.
If it can help someone to make their own protocol regarding overwintering moms, I would be happy.
Tips are always welcome, thanks.
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Swifty
'23, '24, ‘25 COE Winner
Here you see them a week later after topping and watering.
Temps have been between 16-17°C at lights on this week, they were not watered (I plan it for tomorrow).
From now on its 1-2 waterings a week with 3ml/L Alga Grow until they are to big and I have to prune them again.
Swifty
'23, '24, ‘25 COE Winner
Last year I grew some Honolulu Haze's, some pheno's are very good and I decided to keep HH#12 as a mom next to a few others.
Honolulu Haze is a Neville's Haze cross, the more sativa influenced plants are impressive.
Here is a smoke report of her:
After curing for 5 months I can say she is very potent and delivers a very good and complexer hybrid high.
The high comes on strong and has good euphoria for the first 20-30 minutes.
After that it settles more onto the body and on the eyes, more like an indica still with a good feeling in the stomach area.
After a good 2,5hours I want to smoke some more or give into the munchies.
For a hybrid I find her to have a good ceiling, the high is rather soaring when overindulged but you will pay the price the next day.
She makes you feel hangover then.
What I like the most of her in the ways she smells and tastes.
Breaking up a bud releases the nicest lemon (citrus) and hazy smells, strong and full.
She has earned her spot for this year.
She has a good amount of trichomes on her.
A cross with NH this year is on my to do list.
Honolulu Haze is a Neville's Haze cross, the more sativa influenced plants are impressive.
Here is a smoke report of her:
After curing for 5 months I can say she is very potent and delivers a very good and complexer hybrid high.
The high comes on strong and has good euphoria for the first 20-30 minutes.
After that it settles more onto the body and on the eyes, more like an indica still with a good feeling in the stomach area.
After a good 2,5hours I want to smoke some more or give into the munchies.
For a hybrid I find her to have a good ceiling, the high is rather soaring when overindulged but you will pay the price the next day.
She makes you feel hangover then.
What I like the most of her in the ways she smells and tastes.
Breaking up a bud releases the nicest lemon (citrus) and hazy smells, strong and full.
She has earned her spot for this year.
She has a good amount of trichomes on her.
A cross with NH this year is on my to do list.
Swifty
'23, '24, ‘25 COE Winner
Here is the second pheno from Honoulu Haze that will be run again this year.
HH#11 stands out for her medicinal (swiss alpine herbs/menthol/acrid) main smell with lemon and honey undertones.
Very special but not overly strong smelling.
Breaking up a bud releases a complex and unique smell that is addictive.
The taste is softer where the sweetness and lemon dominates a bit more.
The high is also good, I found her more suited for daytime use.
It is very heady but more psychedelic but not the strongest in shear potency.
You feel active but thoughts are all over the place, not very suited in a social setting.
I did notice that she enhances the experience of listening to music and watching tv.
She was one of the best yielders and has great bag appeal, in a way she reminds me a bit of my SSH.
All in all a nice all rounder.
She looked very impressive at harvest.
HH#11 stands out for her medicinal (swiss alpine herbs/menthol/acrid) main smell with lemon and honey undertones.
Very special but not overly strong smelling.
Breaking up a bud releases a complex and unique smell that is addictive.
The taste is softer where the sweetness and lemon dominates a bit more.
The high is also good, I found her more suited for daytime use.
It is very heady but more psychedelic but not the strongest in shear potency.
You feel active but thoughts are all over the place, not very suited in a social setting.
I did notice that she enhances the experience of listening to music and watching tv.
She was one of the best yielders and has great bag appeal, in a way she reminds me a bit of my SSH.
All in all a nice all rounder.
She looked very impressive at harvest.
Swifty
'23, '24, ‘25 COE Winner
The last pheno that impressed me enough to give her another round is HH#3.
Breaking up a bud releases a very strong honey/ floral/ acrid scent.
If you smell a bud before breaking it up she has a sweet floral smell.
This one has the most taste when smoked. It is very sweet and makes you want to keep smoking.
The high is powerful, it comes on fast and is a bit euphoric at first.
There is also some edginess to the high that turns into well balanced strong head/body stone later on.
This pheno makes your eyes blood red and give you the munchies in a severe way.
After a good 2 hours my head feels heavy and my body is more numb.
Great for sleeping.
What makes her special is her potency, she has something raw and pulsating, difficult to describe but she has character.
This pheno was also nice at harvest, yielded good and had a good amount of trichomes.
For me she stands out the most of the 3 keepers (for now).
She almost rivals the Western Winds keeper.
Breaking up a bud releases a very strong honey/ floral/ acrid scent.
If you smell a bud before breaking it up she has a sweet floral smell.
This one has the most taste when smoked. It is very sweet and makes you want to keep smoking.
The high is powerful, it comes on fast and is a bit euphoric at first.
There is also some edginess to the high that turns into well balanced strong head/body stone later on.
This pheno makes your eyes blood red and give you the munchies in a severe way.
After a good 2 hours my head feels heavy and my body is more numb.
Great for sleeping.
What makes her special is her potency, she has something raw and pulsating, difficult to describe but she has character.
This pheno was also nice at harvest, yielded good and had a good amount of trichomes.
For me she stands out the most of the 3 keepers (for now).
She almost rivals the Western Winds keeper.
Tom bolenate
2021 COE Winner
If you had told me it was a good SSH pheno i would have believed you !
Superb you nailed it like a pro!!!
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Swifty
'23, '24, ‘25 COE Winner
Thanks Trupac!
Thanks Tom!
I see the resemblance, she hits like my SSH (pherhaps a little bit stronger) but does not carry the psychedelic mind warping high.
I will grow these cuts together with my SSH keeper in the Shack this spring.
More soon.
Swifty
'23, '24, ‘25 COE Winner
I promised some seeds to a friend but after buying seeds for many years It was time to redo my inventory list.
I saw that I had far to many seeds in the fridge so I decided to part with a small selection of the collection (mostly feminized and non MNS strains
).
He will be very happy.
I did encounter some older seeds that I do want to explore, so I put 2 strains in 1% H2O2 water.
First up is Sannies Jack, I already grew some of these fems before but they gave me mutants and runts. I still have fond memories of Jack Herer and these seeds are very old now (10-15) year. I have 22 regulars and 5 fems.
The second strain is Original Bruce Banner, never had good luck with USA strains before but I got a feeling that this strain could be different.
Time will tell.
10 regular seeds that I bought in 2017 are in 1% H2O2 water.
I will probaly grow them outside in small pots for selection and keep the better phenos to run for a second time in the shack.
So these and the SSHx AC are my new strains for the year.
Looking forward to see what they are made of.
I saw that I had far to many seeds in the fridge so I decided to part with a small selection of the collection (mostly feminized and non MNS strains
).He will be very happy.
I did encounter some older seeds that I do want to explore, so I put 2 strains in 1% H2O2 water.
First up is Sannies Jack, I already grew some of these fems before but they gave me mutants and runts. I still have fond memories of Jack Herer and these seeds are very old now (10-15) year. I have 22 regulars and 5 fems.
The second strain is Original Bruce Banner, never had good luck with USA strains before but I got a feeling that this strain could be different.
Time will tell.
10 regular seeds that I bought in 2017 are in 1% H2O2 water.
I will probaly grow them outside in small pots for selection and keep the better phenos to run for a second time in the shack.
So these and the SSHx AC are my new strains for the year.
Looking forward to see what they are made of.
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Swifty
'23, '24, ‘25 COE Winner
Six days later and it seems that every seed sprouted.
Did not expect that but I'll take it.
Original Bruce Banner are the 10 on the right.
It does appear that there will be some mutants or stunted plants.
Sannies Jack fems are the 5 next to the OBB and the other 22 are the regular SJ's.
I also see some possible duds in there.
The plan is to put them in my rectangular pots and force flower them outside to search for potential keepers.
I will report back when there is something to see, in the meantime I'm prepping the shack for the new season.
New cuts are made and are rooting now:
-4x SSH's
-4x Western Winds
-4x Honolulu Haze#3
-4x Honolulu Haze #3
I hope to start within 1-2 weeks, only the 12 strongest cuts will be used to flower.
Happy 420 tomorrow.
Did not expect that but I'll take it.
Original Bruce Banner are the 10 on the right.
It does appear that there will be some mutants or stunted plants.
Sannies Jack fems are the 5 next to the OBB and the other 22 are the regular SJ's.
I also see some possible duds in there.
The plan is to put them in my rectangular pots and force flower them outside to search for potential keepers.
I will report back when there is something to see, in the meantime I'm prepping the shack for the new season.
New cuts are made and are rooting now:
-4x SSH's
-4x Western Winds
-4x Honolulu Haze#3
-4x Honolulu Haze #3
I hope to start within 1-2 weeks, only the 12 strongest cuts will be used to flower.
Happy 420 tomorrow.
Swifty
'23, '24, ‘25 COE Winner
It is that time of the year again,
I gave the shack a good cleaning and installed a new inline duct fan.
I will go with all led lights for flower this year.
This mainly for economical reasons and for a bit less heat since I'm growing in summertime.
So in flower I will have 2 FC 4000-EVO 320W on the sides and in the middle I went for a G4500 320W.
These should give me enough cover and ppfd's to not have to run them hard and having better heat management with less power consumption.
I placed 14 cuts in 3L pots (there were 2 still rooting) and gave them some rainwater.
The plan is to veg them shortly and keep the 12 best and most vigourous cuts to flower out in 20L buckets like usual.
-4x SSH's keeper cut (eager to grow her again, stash is almost gone and what is left is old but still nice to smoke after almost 2 years but it makes you sleepy).
-4x Western Winds (1 is still rooting, the other one showed roots this morning and is already in there).
-4x Honolulu Haze#3
-4x Honolulu Haze #12
Here they are a couple of hours after transplanting under the CMH:
I will lower the CMH and up the wattage as soon as I start to see new growth.
Right after this grow I will flower the testers SSHxAC in there from clones.
I gave the shack a good cleaning and installed a new inline duct fan.
I will go with all led lights for flower this year.
This mainly for economical reasons and for a bit less heat since I'm growing in summertime.
So in flower I will have 2 FC 4000-EVO 320W on the sides and in the middle I went for a G4500 320W.
These should give me enough cover and ppfd's to not have to run them hard and having better heat management with less power consumption.
I placed 14 cuts in 3L pots (there were 2 still rooting) and gave them some rainwater.
The plan is to veg them shortly and keep the 12 best and most vigourous cuts to flower out in 20L buckets like usual.
-4x SSH's keeper cut (eager to grow her again, stash is almost gone and what is left is old but still nice to smoke after almost 2 years but it makes you sleepy).
-4x Western Winds (1 is still rooting, the other one showed roots this morning and is already in there).
-4x Honolulu Haze#3
-4x Honolulu Haze #12
Here they are a couple of hours after transplanting under the CMH:
I will lower the CMH and up the wattage as soon as I start to see new growth.
Right after this grow I will flower the testers SSHxAC in there from clones.