The Great Cheese Deception

[british_hempire]

Once and for all, Jesse made all his bullshit about Cheese up and this whole thread is one fat waste of time.

This is Cheese, came out of a pack of Sensi Seeds 1988 vintage Skunk #1, was passed to the Exodus Collective in 1995 and was later spread widely by Brightside.

There are lots of cuts that people pass around as Cheese, they all appeared in the last 5-6 years, before that there was only one Cheese.

Now if Jesse admits he was utterly wrong then the world would be a better place, but I'm not holding my breath...

This is the true story as posted by someone very close to the original grower:

Originally posted by Out and Nowt @uk420

The story, I think you may be familiar with.
..in about 1988 my mate mark germed a load of seeds from sensi seed bank in his border amongst them were skunk no1, n. lights ,hash plant ...and took cuttings of the girls to grow indoors ...only one cut was taken from amongst the female sk no1 since we all didnt really realise that genetically they were all 'sisters ' and as such could have different charachteristics ...cheese is this one skunk no1 cutting.

she survived around this area amongst a group of us being prized as a cracking smoke but with associated problems caused by the very strong smell in flower ...a mate christened her 'cheese' since she had such an all pervading stink that she would have to be left outside with the camambert and old trainers if she wasnt going to polute the whole house..the guy who christened her always cooks up bizzare names especially for things to do with the drug world so he can chat in ploite company or in front of the kids without worrying.

maybe the cheese would have remained a local phenomenon if i hadnt been persuaded by my missus to go to an illegal rave put on by lutons exodus collective back in 95...she hated it ,i loved it and soon realised that these folk were on a mission ...sort of changed my life really ,ordinary people doing quite extraordinary things ..one of which was just starting to grow weed at their housing co op Haz manor.
because of the high profile stand against prohibition and their stand against hard drugs the police left the manor alone (even when documentaries appeared on tv blatantly stating their anti dealing/ pro diy cannabis stance)and soon the one cutting i took to the manor became many cuttings given out free to anyone who came in search of growing knowlege and genetics ...

I think Jesse owes the entire UK communtiy an apology for all the bullshit he fabricated about Cheese...

 

[wonkadonk]

This thread smells like funky cheese.

 

[JessE]

Once and for all, Jesse made all his bullshit about Cheese up and this whole thread is one fat waste of time.


Now if Jesse admits he was utterly wrong then the world would be a better place, but I'm not holding my breath...



I think Jesse owes the entire UK communtiy an apology for all the bullshit he fabricated about Cheese...

You've already played the Jesse is wrong, because I say he is wrong game. It doesnt work, because you have no credibility. You have nothing.

Why are you trying to bump this thread out of que, and move the pages away from my original post? I have nothing to hide, what are you trying to hide British Hempire? Would you care to publicly state for me that Pindulinka was wrong? Care to explain why he is under the impression you're associated with Big Buddha Seeds? Care to explain why you didnt deny it out right first thing? (Nice edit job by the way, bitch). Care to explain why you didnt deny it when kashgari got on your ass?

Ive seen you do this before British hempire, usually after getting your ass kicked on the forum. You start turbo posting and attempting to deflect from the topic at hand that you're trying to run away from. What are you so nervous about now?

You are the one who owes the UK and all of the world an apology for spreading false genetics and hiding under alias's to support those fraudulent policies. You should apologize to me for trolling me for years, for accusing me of stealing your work and for using alternate handles to deceive the entire community. I will not apologize for attempting to show consumers the entire picture, not just the limited view bandits like yourself and others attempt to push on the community. There are people with genuine medical needs who are mislead by bullshit just like yours British Hempire, and you are saying I should apologize for making sure they and other customers are not ripped off? You've got some nerve, joker.

The post you're trying to make sure nobody else reads...
http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/99616-post114.html

 

[b0b_b1tch1n]

ok ive never grown the official cheese cut , but in the last little while ive been re-reading this thread and many many others all over the net ,,,

a friend of my dad who has become my friend now that im grown has been growing skunk from when it actually was skunk , not the skunk of today that was done so to get the skunkiness out and fruitiness in

this skunk he grows still today was being grown in the very early 80's and verywell could have since the mid to late 70's , i met him in 81

but anyway from EVERYTHING im reading about cheese it sounds exactly like skunk grown back in the 80's and still being grown by some people today

everytime i sampled his buds and seen any of his plants growing i would have called them cheese if i was talking about it being now and not back then

ive read an aufull lot lately about cheese and honestly i would say it sounds exactly like the old skunk that breaders for some reason did not like and they bread out the cheasy (skunky) traits to make what is todays skunk#1

i honestly believe it would be close to impossible to find a decent cheese replica in todays skunk#1 but would be and is very common for the old timmers who are growing the skunk from the early 80's and continuing thier own seed stock just like my friend has and is continuing to do

like i said though , ive not grown the official cut so im no expert , just putting 2 and 2 together and it became very easy to identify the cheese as a very common pheno of the old skunk and not todays dissapointing skunk (jmo)

p.s. the old skunk was so stinky we wrapped some in plastic wrap (realy realy wrapped it), then tinfoil then triple bagged it with ziplock bags and then put into a coffee can , travelled from BC to Ontario which was a 3 day drive , unloaded the car upon arival then went to sleep , slept like babies for a good 12 hours because of the long drive , when we finally got up and after a couple hours desided to drive somewhere we got to the car and it STILL smelled like we had run over a skunk

maybe i said that ^ wrong ,,,,,

cheese is NOT hard to find , it IS skunk from BEFORE skunk was bread out , why the fuck anyone wanted to bread out the skunkiness is beyond me , the skunk#1 of today is NOT skunk !!!!!!!!!!!!!

i say shame on the breaders who desided skunk should be fruity , what the fuck ? it was named skunk for a reason , skunk#1 of today is a joke and should be called tootie fruity for fuck sakes

i can see JessE ignoring what ive said because he is the only one who could come up with anything , conspiracy or not , but the rest of you ? ,,,,,,

how many skunks have you seen or smelt ? any of them smell like a fruit salad ? i fukkin bet not

cheese is a pheno from old skunk , NOTHING MORE !!!

 

[JessE]

i can see JessE ignoring what ive said because he is the only one who could come up with anything , conspiracy or not , but the rest of you ? ,,,,,,

Bob,
Why are you, and so many others, so concerned with my opinion? I can demonstrate that you have trolled me, unprovoked, for quite some time and this is the reason I ignore your posts. If you think your idea of Cheese being Skunk is original, you may want to re-read the thread again.

Now, back to the posts British Hempire doesnt want anyone to read:
http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/99616-post114.html

 

[b0b_b1tch1n]

JessE ive read this thread over and over and read many many others

as for me trolling you ,,,, my god man we had a few diferences in the past , you dont need to pull the troll card

point blank cheese is old skunk nothing less nothing more and very VERY common if you know where to look

 

[hempy]

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[Unclepeter]

StressE, Big blubba hails from Birmingham area and is fat not too tall (to me anyhow..)and very chinese looking.... BH hails from a bit more North and does not have any Chinese genes in him.... but then again I can be in different countries and continents at the same time so maybe BH moprhs into different people...

there was a great deception though big blubbas breeding program that didn't take very long and produced plants that were worse than the clone... now that to me is a bad program... on the cheese it was held tight for years as people like getting paid StressE .... after what blubba did it became a free for all etc etc... the guy is a fraud he and the term breeder do not belong together... he sold out to be frank and sold a few others down the line... I know the fellas at red eye/weed world or whatever were at bit pissed at him for bending over for Arjan... whats it matter though he made sure he got paid...

 

[coop]

the haze bros attack again.

Jesse and Hempy for precedents in 2012



the 2 of you have proven that you know nothing except copy and pasting. Your info on the plant is laughable and wrong, stop spreading misinformation in every thread already.

Cheese is a sport of Sk#1 or super skunk. Go buy 10 packs of seeds and you'll find the same if not better.

 

[pindulinka]

Hey waitaminute guys!
This big buddha stuff came about as it was a handle BH was using on my seed share site. I have a feeling it was a reference to the big thai gold one as it was an avatar pic he had at the time I think and in all the years BH was posting at the site I never ever heard any mention of cheese or anything.
I got these colombian gold seeds into stock from him as well as another VERY generous donation I have personally surpervised the distribution of to sick folks for free worldwide (yes I filled in the labels, packed the seeds, paid the postage and have seen them off to the PO). Ive been doing this for ten years, sending seeds for free to every bleedin where, wherever sick folks need them and cant afford them.
I grew the colombians out because I was very curious and still consider it some of the best weed in my life.
Im not sure what is wrong entirely, but this is basically one of the reasons I stay off open forums and just selectively invite people who dont get into arguments and are ready to accept the humanity and personality of other like minded folks. We cant forget the internet is full of lies and second rate sci-fi hacks who write the most astounding garbage. Then someone like sam skunkman or nev and say its bullshit. We then begin to question the fact that it really is pindulinka saying this and we are back to the beginning.
Id say the best way to go forward is to say, "look, this is my cheese" then we can say "wow, mine looks like this, hows the smoke?".
Conflict is a waste of time because I just have to read three pages of individual justification.. what happens, I move on.
I think many of us would be quite good friends if we were ever to get together, we have at least one thing in common.. I just sure hope it isnt oceans of 15 page threads of argument and counter argument. Its all so silly, for those who know the truth.. all ive seen so far on this thread is dozens of photos of different cheese plants, but not one smoke report, GC-Test.. info on growing times, yield whatever.. no idea if its good pot for folks that happen to be growing that exact plant and searching for info. cheese or not. A non thread..
Cheers
Pin

 

[hempy]

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[BillyBadGrower]

the worst thing anyone on the face of this planet could do is to click on this link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3JEJaIHpjg

 

[Batman]

i find the instrumental is quite good, no ?

 

[CheeseHunter]

And why would i need to go get 10 packs of sk1 i bet i could find as good or better in one pack of shantis shit.

Sport ha lol.

Scoop honestly go back to chat were you can do less harm lol.

Not sure if you have smoked Proper Cheese before Hempy so don't know if you have reference from personal experience,
But i do hope that is true as I'm sitting here smoking a nice Joint of cheese and the idea of finding better in just one pack of shit would be fantastic
Think I'll add "Shit" back into this years strain list
However probably not the case,
Possibly if you had 2-3 packs of sk1 from 89 or 88 or when ever it was found, then more than likely find something similar but since then it would have been worked in a totally different direction, But l like you said, something fantastic would come out of shit but I'm sure it wouldn't be the same in the slightest, Great in its own right but not the same

Not sure what everyone is bitching about really as I'm sure nearly everyone that has smoked it can agree that it is some very nice bud,
Obviously not the greatest weed in the world but a crackin' specimen of its breed, sk1
Personally i love it, that amazing more-ish taste thats lingers on the pallet even hours after smoking
It's a shame that i haven't found a similar plant in seeds marketed as cheese from some breeders (Only cheese around is "psychosis" from a friend of a friend which has said under no circumstances will he part with any clone/even for cash)
No surprise really as it goes for £10aG and it goes super fast
cheese I've grown from seed have had the taste and a kick but unfortunately not incorporating the whole package of strong smell and high that the cuts are known for
Not sure why i wrote this either probably because I'm completely baked and thought its about time i contribute abit to this forum, after all I am the CheeseHunter

God i type slow, already finished that joint i had at the start and have rolled another
Time to go smoke this beast

CH

 

[hempy]

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[british_hempire]

It's pretty annoying to read uninformed crap written by people the other side of the globe who have no direct experience of the Cheese whatsoever...

Nevil was supplying the seeds to Sensi in 1988 so whatever was in that pack of sk1 came from Nev.

The thing that makes Cheese unusual is that it's a very typical sweet skunk #1 but has a particularlyly strong smell/taste, if you grow The Pure by TFD or Seedsman's Skunk #1 you can find plants that look very similar, the Pure produces mostly plants that look very similar indeed to Cheese. But you won't find one with the same smell/taste, hundreds of people have grown thousands of skunk seeds looking for something the same and not found it.

However, suggesting that Shit, Super Skunk, Nordle or any of the other Skunk/Afghan hybrids is going to give you something the same as Cheeese is simply wrong, you will get plants that are better in most regards but finding that particular Cheese smell/taste is very difficult.

Even going back to older less worked Skunk seeds doesn't give you something like Cheese because Cheese is a unique combination of a very sweet skunk with a particular terpenoid profile and the less worked skunks are either sweet or foul, you'd be very lucky to find a sweet one that also had the other element that makes Cheese so distinctive in smell/taste.

This is why people shouldn't write elaborate articles based purely on pics because Cheese looks like any old Skunk #1 but until you encounter it in the flesh and smell it and taste it how the hell can you have any idea about what makes it different to other skunk1s?

 

[british_hempire]

StressE, Big blubba hails from Birmingham area and is fat not too tall and very chinese looking.... BH hails from a bit more North and does not have any Chinese genes in him.... but then again I can be in different countries and continents at the same time so maybe BH moprhs into different people...

Entirely accurate, cheers Pete!

there was a great deception though big blubbas breeding program that didn't take very long and produced plants that were worse than the clone... now that to me is a bad program... on the cheese it was held tight for years as people like getting paid StressE .... after what blubba did it became a free for all etc etc... the guy is a fraud he and the term breeder do not belong together... he sold out to be frank and sold a few others down the line... I know the fellas at red eye/weed world or whatever were at bit pissed at him for bending over for Arjan... whats it matter though he made sure he got paid...

Only today a friend who has just opened a head/seed shop was telling me about a disagreement he had with Buddha, won't go into detail in public but it's similar to other disagreements people have had before and ego was involved.

I hope people have taken good note of the fact that Jesse came up with his farcical allegation that I'm Buddha after seeing one quote by Pindulinka from several years ago, completely misinterpreting it and then building a ludicrous conspiracy around it about misleading and defrauding people.

If that is typical of how he works then it's likely that everything else he's written as 'fact' is similarly based on the thinnest possible supposition thickly padded out with speculative fiction.

Normally I'd be rather annoyed when some arrogant prick like Jesse accused me of something but I'm actually rather pleased he has made this stupendously stupid accusation against me because it just shows everyone how his warped sad little mind works and reminds us all not to listen to the shite that issues out of him.

I won't be bothering to waste my time responding to any further allegations that Jesse, hempy or kashrocks makes, I think it's more than clear to everyone now that they will stoop to any lengths to attack me, just look at all the crap kash leaves on my profile almost daily, hempy's hissy fits at least daily and this shit from Jesse, they seem to have decided to try to make my life here a misery but I'm finding the ignore list an effective countermeasure and the whole sorry saga vaguely amusing, I'm just sorry that everyone else has to put up with seeing them pour out their hatred all the time, I'm sure you would all prefer not to have to see it all over the forum.

Now back to cannabis...

 

[Herbsman]

I've known Cheese since early 2004ish, and being in London, a short trip from Luton, I'd say that it's pretty likely I have tried the Exodus cheese. My observations are that since the earliest examples, cheese seems to have darkened, nowhere near as frosty as the original buds I sampled. Probably the Buddha bastardisation!!

Now I remember showing a seasoned grower a sample of some nice cheese circa 2004, n the guy immediately said "Thats Rhino". Now I've noticed this since the start. Cheese has a almost identical terpenoid profile as Med Man n I'd bet a lot on it! N this guy had been growing rhino for at least 6 years at that time, n even he was baffled! I remember the original samples being covered in bulbous resin heads, solid dense nuggets with long pistils protruding from the calyx. Now I think I remember once asking shanti if the afghan used in Med Man is the pheno Cheese is derived from? Would make sense! The difference in flavour IMO is the Rhino has earthier overtones, but still very starburst (sweets) like! The cheese is that lil more pungent, overpowering in smell.

Cheese is no longer the real deal smell ya from a 100 meters with just a gram in yer pocket! Sure smells strong, but nowhere near as it should be.

BTW that first pic of Cheese? Only thing I've seen like that is some Snow White back in Dam in 97, was extremely White, but most of the trichs werent glandular, just hairy!!!

Grown Rhino a plenty, n I for one am betting they are close genetically!

 

[coop]

the suspect uk cheese we have here will make you sick trimming it. Its a nauseating fermented smell. I only know 2 people who can run as they don't care about the smell, buts been complain of headaches from the stank lately

personally not something i would wont to grow, i perfer the real sweet skunk like an iss or or skunks asshole like shiva skunk.

 

[JessE]

I'm just sorry that everyone else has to put up with seeing them pour out their hatred all the time, I'm sure you would all prefer not to have to see it all over the forum.

Now back to cannabis...

British hempire,
This is my thread, genius. I can take this thread anywhere I want, anytime I want. So stop pretending everyone's feelings have been hurt, by me pointing out what kind of bitch you are. The only persons who feelings have been hurt by this thread, is you. Which is why you tried to bump it out of que numerous times, and push the topic away from my original post.

Its truly amazing what angles you will try to spin, to get out of things.

Normally I'd be rather annoyed when some arrogant prick like Jesse accused me of something but I'm actually rather pleased he has made this stupendously stupid accusation against me

Perhaps you missed the part where I linked everyone up to the thread Pindulinka posted, which you participated in numerous times, where you were quoted as Big Buddha? (See link below) And never once clarified the position. Why? Because either way you spin it, its inexcusable! Im not Shantibaba, Arjan, Soma or anyone else. Nor do I claim to be. So why do you call yourself big buddha? Who are you trying to confuse? Obviously the forum members and potential customers.

http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/7-plants...bian-gold-british-hempire-smoke-rep-pics.html

Or did you miss the post where Pindulinka came in, and confirmed that you've been calling yourself Big Buddha?

Let me remind you...

Hey waitaminute guys!
This big buddha stuff came about as it was a handle BH was using on my seed share site. I have a feeling it was a reference to the big thai gold one as it was an avatar pic he had at the time I think and in all the years BH was posting at the site I never ever heard any mention of cheese or anything.

Now lets think logically here for a second.

You've been calling yourself Big Buddha, why? Isnt that a bit strange, when you're British Hempire? Also Indifferent? Also freefields? Who else are you? What other handles do you have?

If I called myself Shantibaba, or Arjan, Soma etc. Do you think that would be normal?

Once again, you've been demonstrated to not only be untrustworthy, but extremely fucking strange at that!

If you're are not BigBuddha, and there is someone else known as Bigbuddha, why on earth would you call yourself that? That is the question of the century....

Why did you allow Pindulinka to create a long thread, in which you participated in numerous times, having you referred to as Big Buddha and never once correct him? Or even bring up the subject, you are seperate from Big Buddha seeds? There are two big buddha's now, and its everyone elses fault for associating the two together? Yeah, okay...nice try little bitch. Whatever the truth is, it does not look good for you!

None of this adds up, just like everything else about you. I loved how you vanished from public view for so long, it tells me quite a bit about what you're thinking over there bitch!

I won't be bothering to waste my time responding to any further allegations that Jesse, hempy or kashrocks makes, I think it's more than clear to everyone now that they will stoop to any lengths to attack me, just look at all the crap kash leaves on my profile almost daily, hempy's hissy fits at least daily and this shit from Jesse, they seem to have decided to try to make my life here a misery

LOL!

What kind of freak are you? You troll me from one thread to another, for years. Website to website, and even started in once again in this thread, unprovoked, and its now me who is making your life miserable? By responding to your shit? Earth to BH, let me know when you get back with the rest of us....

Well news flash you pathetic little bitch, if you did not troll me endlessly, nobody would respond to your shit! What is so hard for you to understand about that, freak? Make your life miserable? LMAO!

The post British Hempire tried so hard to bump out of que, and move far away from the forum view. Only to fail, and vanish, while contemplating his next move.

http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/99616-post114.html