The Great Cheese Deception

[british_hempire]

Funny thread this one. When was that picture taken of a trimmed plant outdoors, its certainly not the original cheese. IMHO The original cheese has been going since the late eighties and is often called the Brightside cutting. Its the strongest smelling plant you will encounter smelling of Parmasan Cheese. Its not the best of yielding plants. Its true its an old Skunk N01 pheno and other plants with a similar smell have claimed to be the Cheese in later years but the smell of the original is unmistakable really does smell of cheese and is the strongest smelling plant I have come across. There's also other excellent Skunk N01 cuttings out there such as the Psychosis. It gets even stranger whith claims that the Exodus Crew are some sort of Myth these claims can only be made by somebody who doesnt live in the UK.
So please no more mis information.
There is at least one picture of the real Exodus cheese in the thread its this one.

Well said mate, I agree with everything you just said.

On Psychosis, is it another pheno of Skunk#1 or is it, as some say, a cross of Cheese to Rhino? It's certainly very similar to Cheese but a bit fatter and denser.

 

[herbmister]

Cheddar or ched

Iv been dipping my toe in the uk commercial weed market recently and i will say that cheese has got its self an undeserved bad rep.
Iv had the chance to smoke two different cuts/plants both were called cheese and both were really nice, great taste and high.They both had good bag appeal and that super old skool smell

so my 2p is cheese is very good weed, its the egos that sell it thats where the deception is

be good

 

[mriko]

hmm, i have read only first 2 pages and 2 last pages, and it seem it's all about fighting, so i won't bother reading those in between eheh...

Still... About the supposedly photoshopped pic of the real cheese which was posted by Jesse. I don't know wether it is photoshoped or not, I don't know if it's the real cheese or not, but i do know that it indeed was used by Queijo when he started doing wrong things (and I know all too well about Q bad deeds, from personnal experience). But that's not the subject.

I did a search first in the forums here and couldn't find anything, but does anyone knows about Kaliman seeds' Cheese ?

Strain description follows :

Flowering time: 8-11 weeks
Characteristics: Indistinguishable in taste and high from the original 1989 Uk Exodus Cheese clone.
This is 'The Cheese'.

Anyone tried this one ? Is it just like cheese, or is it THE cheese ? Any insight anyone ?


Irie !

 

[british_hempire]

I'm afraid i don't know anything about Kaliman,

As you rightly point out, that picture is by Quiejo and is not Chees at all, it is the cutting called Kachina AKA 'Eek-A-Mouse' which is Cheese x Trainwreck.

Try telling Jesse that though...

 

[mriko]

Yes ! Kachina ! Now I remember, thanks for the insight B.E. !

Irie !

 

[Unclepeter]

hmm, i have read only first 2 pages and 2 last pages, and it seem it's all about fighting, so i won't bother reading those in between eheh...

Still... About the supposedly photoshopped pic of the real cheese which was posted by Jesse. I don't know wether it is photoshoped or not, I don't know if it's the real cheese or not, but i do know that it indeed was used by Queijo when he started doing wrong things (and I know all too well about Q bad deeds, from personnal experience). But that's not the subject.

I did a search first in the forums here and couldn't find anything, but does anyone knows about Kaliman seeds' Cheese ?

Strain description follows :

Flowering time: 8-11 weeks
Characteristics: Indistinguishable in taste and high from the original 1989 Uk Exodus Cheese clone.
This is 'The Cheese'.

Anyone tried this one ? Is it just like cheese, or is it THE cheese ? Any insight anyone ?


Irie !

Kaliman = dr Rockster

 

[british_hempire]

Kaliman = dr Rockster

Let me guess, he changed his name because of his miraculous female turned male and the resulting derision he got online?

 

[tricky]

Hey guys
In recent years one of the more popular varieties on the internet has been the UK Cheese variety(s). Having been a member of these forums for almost ten years now, I can remember when the only time cheese was talked about on the forums was in munchy threads. But I can actually remember the first time I heard of the variety from the UK known as cheese, and I can tell you with 100% certainty every UK Cheese clone Ive seen since then has not looked like the original UK Cheese plant.

The Original UK Cheese

Below is some information about Cheese from Sam the Skunkman, who is widely credited with the introduction of Skunk #1 to Holland.



Here are some UK Cheese Cuts that look absolutely nothing like the original, in fact Ive not seen one cutting of UK Cheese that resembles the original. Now considering the nature of cuttings themselves, this leads me to believe there are quite a few fraudulent UK Cheese cuts. Sure, there are cuts being called 'Cheese' that floating around out there, but for some strange reason they dont resemble the original cutting at all.

Suspect UK Cheese

Suspect UK Cheese

How come all of these UK Cheese varieties look so much different from one another? This leads the casual observer to believe there are quite a few different versions of the cut, but none of them resemble the original UK Cheese.


A version of events about the UK Cheese.

to be honest i smoked some of this the past 2 weeks ! i don't like cheese but i do like this 1 !!!!

 

[british_hempire]

I don't think he's all bad at all but he has a mighty short temper and a nasty mouth on him, the amount of verbal abuse I got was out of all proportion to the amount of provokation I gave him and I wasn't the only one to get shouted at for little reason.

He might be a decent bloke but he didn't paint himself in a good light, I've avoided him ever since and don't visit that med community anymore because I don't want any more arguing.

 

[british_hempire]

This looks like Bubblegum to me, in fact, I'm 99.9% sure it is Bubblegum...

 

[heavy dank nugg]

wow 43 pages of bitching and bickering with very little usefull info thrown in.splendid read.......So british hempire why are you berating and knocking kalimans cheese#1 ? especially if you have never tried it?????????? Oh wait I know he must have called you out on something somewhere ehhhh????What a lovely little spitefull community we have here..........The proof is in the pudding and this here thread is cheese flavored pudding......Maybe I'm just a idealist or too old school,but I'm from a time when this community stuck together through thick and thin.....there was a sense of honesty,integrity,and trust between members........I thought upon registering here that perhaps I have found the last bastion of those ideals standing.........then I found this thread..........welcome to the new age of cannabis where hate,spite,and greed have overtaking honesty,integrity,and brotherhood......for a moment there I thought I was back at IC......sorry to interupt your shit slinging in here with my outdated philosophy....carry on.

 

[british_hempire]

First you complain about bitching then bitch at me, cheers.

Rockster never called me out on anything, he knows nothing about me, as I said, I got a torrent of abuse because I asked some pertinent questions about his female turned male, lots of other people got abuse from him too and not just over his cheese breeding but over some non-cannabis related topics too, if you were familiar with the guy's behaviour here and at breedbay you will know he loved to hurl verbal abuse at people. He loved to offend people and put noses out of joint too, particularly about religion.

I just think he's an unpleasant character with a bad temper and an offensive mouth, based on a couple of years of reading his often vitriolic posts.

I don't have any interest in his breeding work, I don't consider Cheese worth breeding with as there are plenty of other skunky varieties that I consider better. The Exodus cheese cut isn't even the best of the Cheese cuts that have proliferated in recent years, the Suicide Cheese and Psychosis are both better, there are others too. I don't particularly like any of them because I find them boring, I find most of the skunks I've smoked over the years boring.

The bottom line of this whole thread is simply that Jesse made up some complete fiction and the simple fact of the matter is the the original Cheese as grown by Exodus came from a guy in the Chilterns in 1988 and is just a pheno out of as pack of Sensi Seeds Skunk #1. If you like skunk #1 and smelly but flat, bland, boring and uninspiring strains then it will be your cup of tea. The appendix to that story is that from 2004-5 onwards lots of other supposed Cheese cuts appeared as everyone and his dog wanted Cheese at this time, hype in action, some of these cuts are very good, some are very mediocre, none of them are the original.

 

[heavy dank nugg]

you're confusing bitching with expression of surprise,dissapointment and distaste...I only adressed you in refrence to that rockster cat who by your description would fit in nicely with this new age of cannabis I was also speaking on....I know the history of the "cheese" but thank you anyway cause I believe you were actually trying to be helpfull.I also know that the taste of the real cheese is 2nd to none.skunky musky hashy deliciousness......I can however also understand how one could get sick of it if they had it all the time it's like me and the ecsd cut.....Anyway where I am it's very hard to find cuts with actual verified information attached to them so it's a crap shoot and mostly crap.......Therefore for someone like me who has smoked the real cheese only a tiny handfull of times finding out how to get the best representation in seed form is kinda a big deal......And this rockster dude seems like a legit source....I gave up on trying to only buy seeds from people I like or respect cause quite frankly everybodys dick is swinging in the dirt......And some of the biggest jerkoff idiots on the planet have some of the best weed there is......see Rezdog........he's just one of many but perhaps the best example.....I guess I'm still a little disillusioned at the state of this community.......as a whole..... I'll adjust though.

 

[british_hempire]

I understand mate, and you're right, some right assholes have some great ganja.

Rockster did have the Exodus cut so his work is based on it. Without knowing more about what exactly did happen with this mysterious female turning male I can't really comment but it all sounds highly suspicious to me, I just don't see how a female can turn male unless some hormone blocking treatment had been used and then it would turn back to female after the blocking stopped.

I wish Rockster han't been so unpleasant and quick to anger then we could have debated further...

 

[wonkadonk]

Let me guess, he changed his name because of his miraculous female turned male and the resulting derision he got online?

The miracle male seems pretty fishy. If it is BS he would have been much better off telling the truth. He did a lot of work backcrossing the cheese. Maybe he got a male mixed in there somehow? Or maybe he's full of it? Or maybe god gave the plant a sex change?

But the guy is not hiding at all Kaliman is the name of his seed co. The Rockster name is connected to it, even selling a "Rockster's Cheese".

 

[Unclepeter]

wow 43 pages of bitching and bickering with very little usefull info thrown in.splendid read.......So british hempire why are you berating and knocking kalimans cheese#1 ? especially if you have never tried it?????????? Oh wait I know he must have called you out on something somewhere ehhhh????What a lovely little spitefull community we have here..........The proof is in the pudding and this here thread is cheese flavored pudding......Maybe I'm just a idealist or too old school,but I'm from a time when this community stuck together through thick and thin.....there was a sense of honesty,integrity,and trust between members........I thought upon registering here that perhaps I have found the last bastion of those ideals standing.........then I found this thread..........welcome to the new age of cannabis where hate,spite,and greed have overtaking honesty,integrity,and brotherhood......for a moment there I thought I was back at IC......sorry to interupt your shit slinging in here with my outdated philosophy....carry on.

Dr Rockster has no sense of integrity, honesty, or anything else.... he was here to spam like he did elsewhere.....

he goes on about the med scene etc... there is hardly one in the UK.... if he is all about sharing and caring he shouldn't be charging for those seeds

We offer 10 x 100% original Exodus Cheese clone genetics seeds for £65

Totally unhybridised, it's all pure Cheese.

he was asked lots of times to explain himself and he simply couldn't... he was going to get a proffesor to tell us how it all happened but that never happened either....

he has been banned from just about everywhere for this nosense... he is the worst sort of person for any so called community.

Kaliman Seeds - Home of the Exodus Cheese in Seed Form

seems his distribution centre is a 2 bed flat in Ruislip...

and if you thought this was a nice friendly place, think on....

I mean the fuckwit didn't even test the seeds out, he just spammed them and got them out for 65 friggin quid.. yeah he cares alright he cares for $$$$$

another prob I had with this was I asked Rockster about the offspring were he said Males showed therefore Y is present.. how can that be from an xx plant.. I could of understood it stressing to show balls etc but it still would of produced xx pollen so where did the Y come from ? its called marketing and spam to sell that is all.....

here is what the shister originally said

Surely that is my quickest path to exposure if I'm somehow being anything less than 100% honest?

Think about it please, some people have been very rude to me for the sake of being rude and arguing from a point of incredulity or ignorance, which incidentally isn't an argument.

I posted here for several reasons.

1# Wanting to share something that I thought was rare and very interesting.

2# In the hope someone more experienced and knowledgable than me might furnish an explanation (I've already said I've written to a geneticist)

3# I've gotten what seems to be a true representation of the Exodus Cheese clone into seed form and I'm deleriously happy about it,so there.

PS: I turn down offers of cash money for these beans nearly every day, never sold one in my life and have given literally hundreds of packets away over the years but have told folk when the tests are in they will become available.

 

[JessE]

Hi all,
Getting back on topic, the first post of this thread outlines the very first variety posted online known as Cheese. This was where all the hype started, and it happened long before most of you in this thread even knew about the cannabis forums. The main point of this thread was to make sure the community knew what the original cheese looked like, and also to show just how many different versions of Cheese are running around the UK now. These two main points have not changed, in years since this thread was started.

All of the trolling, name calling, internet games will not change these two facts. And the points that come along with these two facts, such as there being so many different UK Cheese varieties, none of which look like the original first hyped at Overgrow.com so many years ago, that any claim as to having the original are comical at best.

The story has evolved quite a bit since the first picture was originally posted, at one time it was nothing more than a strange looking plant from the UK. It was nothing more or less than that. There was no hype behind it, nobody really gave a shit about it beyond its out of the ordinary look, and there were even questions if it was really a cannabis plant at all? This is not MNS exclusive information, Overgrow.com was the largest cannabis forum the world has ever known, and that was years ago now!

The UK Cheese phenomena really started as a need online to show others, mainly those on the West Coast of the United States, that they too, had an underground clone scene. So the Cheese phenomena is really a direct result of many marketing schemes born from the online cannabis forums, many of whom were directly tied to seed sales. The first marketing hype that really got major push to my memory was the Nirvana Blueberry hype at OG, imagine everyone talking about Nirvana Blueberry like they do OG Kush, Chem Dog, Sour Diesel etc today. Later came Train Wreck once the Nirvana Blueberry faded into yesterday, then Bubba, OG Kush, Cheese etc. etc.

Its really the same story, different name with many of these marketing schemes. So born out of a need to have their own selected, clone varieties, Cheese is now nearly as broadly defined as any OG Kush. With many different versions existing, of course, all being the original lol, where a name has become more popular than realizing a true individualized variety. A lot of progress has been made in the UK in the later half of the last decade it would seem. At one time the boards were full of complaints about soap bar coming out of the UK, slowly that has changed into gloating about the acquisition of Skunk#1 and many of its hybrids, all labeled Cheese.

Good for them

 

[The Green Man]

Aah the good old days of soap bar. Don't even get me started on that one!
When I first started smoking the quality of hash in the UK was actually quite high with many different varieties from North Africa, Lebanon and Afghanistan being widely and quite cheaply available.
I agree JessE that to a point the Cheese came in and filled a void in the UK ganja market and was subsequently hyped to all and sundry. As I have already stated I held the original Cheese cutting for a number of years a long time ago. At that time I was given it as a gift from an old friend who was friends with some of the actual people behind the cheese clone. It was nothing special and certainly didn't deserve the hype it subsequently received. I also agree that there are lots of new cheese strains around now as people have tried to produce seeds with the traits of the OG Cheese in an attempt to make money. Also newer growers have been sold clones of 'cheese' for top dollar - many of these clones do not much resemble the real deal cheese. As I previously stated a true cheese will have double leaf serrations and will take on a recognisable bottom heavy structure. If people are growing 'cheese' and your plants aren't branching profusely from an inch above the soil and does not have double leaf serrations then check your source you have probably got a fake (I like to call fake cheese 'sleese'!) Again I recognise the similarities and parallels between what has happened to Cheese and Bubba, OG, Trainwreck, Diesel etc.
Where I disagree is that the UK is far more than a one trick 'Cheese' pony. Indeed the UK is full of quality genetics and plenty of worthy clone only strains. Its just a shame that they live in the shadow of the marketing men who want us all to believe that Cheese is the be all and end all of UK herb. Over the last 20 years I have been involved with some wonderful clones, many of which would stand up against West Coast genetics. I have spent a lot of time in Cali and have friends there and though I would never claim to be an expert on West Coast genetics I can say that some UK strains are equal (almost) to their American cousins. Remember the UK is very close to the Netherlands and has many historical links to the US and Canada. Also there are many herb using minorities in the UK who have brought their own versions with them. Some of the most insanely potent herb I ever smoked was UK grown Jamaican from genuine West Indies genetics. I could go on all day but won't.
I agree that we need to move past the Cheese and not let it blind people to the many good things that are going on in the UK herb scene.
Keep it green,
TGM.

 

[british_hempire]

Dr Rockster has no sense of integrity, honesty, or anything else.... he was here to spam like he did elsewhere.....

he goes on about the med scene etc... there is hardly one in the UK.... if he is all about sharing and caring he shouldn't be charging for those seeds



he was asked lots of times to explain himself and he simply couldn't... he was going to get a proffesor to tell us how it all happened but that never happened either....

he has been banned from just about everywhere for this nosense... he is the worst sort of person for any so called community.

Kaliman Seeds - Home of the Exodus Cheese in Seed Form

seems his distribution centre is a 2 bed flat in Ruislip...

and if you thought this was a nice friendly place, think on....

I mean the fuckwit didn't even test the seeds out, he just spammed them and got them out for 65 friggin quid.. yeah he cares alright he cares for $$$$$

another prob I had with this was I asked Rockster about the offspring were he said Males showed therefore Y is present.. how can that be from an xx plant.. I could of understood it stressing to show balls etc but it still would of produced xx pollen so where did the Y come from ? its called marketing and spam to sell that is all.....

here is what the shister originally said

Well said Peter...

and yes, he has been banned from many sites, for two reasons, firstly, people didn't but into his bullshit and secondly he's a nasty piece of work who got out of control when people asked questions about his miracle male and other breeding issues...

one site even deleted all his posts because they felt they were all bullshit...

 

[kashrocks]

This is 100% pure bullshit, utter crap, the story has not changed one iota, cheese was found in a pack of 88 Sensi Skunk and passed to exodus in 95, everyone knows this, the peole involved are around to be asked about it, remember Jesse is in another country and knows fuck all about the Uk or it's grow scene or it's cuittings...

Sensi Skunk was first made available in 1991-92...

Peace.

K.