The Great Cheese Deception

[hazyfontazy]

Oh, so now you're threatening me.

Who are you?

Or are you just a troll hiding behind the anonymity of the internet?

u were the 1 who threatened him first with a slap ,,u did the same to me ,but then when i said i would be slapping u first ,u ran off to admin at ic and tried to get me banned ,ending up getting banned yaself ..


please people take note British hempire is not Bigbuddha ,
bigbuddha actually got off his arse and done something ,bh never moves off his arse ,which is why he smells so bad

 

[Pistol Pete]

G`day Bubla

Yes I understand what you mean .
Here`s Pistol Pete hard a trollin .

Thanks for sharin
Elmer Bud .

Ha HA HA You Are Killing ME Elmo
I Was Right What I said To You In Pm Though, You Only Respond When You Have An Audience

Now As None Of My Posts Have Been Directed To At You , Why Not Go Fuck Yourself Troll

 

[Green man]

hope that bloke farts a lil bit more on his own thia iihhhhihiihihhiihttiiiii

 

[tnuc]

Here's JessE the private investigator, as you can tell JessE takes his research very very seriously

 

[ganjabunny]

 

[bigwity]

Ha I thought it humorous MMM

When you try too bring the entire picture together for anyone interested in learning about varieties like Cheese or some of the elite cuttings that once dominated the conversational landscape on the forums you can be met with some stiff resistance. Often times its just a difference in opinion, which is too be expected with even some of our most advanced theories and concepts taught at the University level today. However there are also those who stand too gain from the ignorance of the average poster/consumer, and often times these people can get quite nasty when its their wallets or internet reputation that are on the line. But all it takes is some solid evidence to get your point across and the problem is usually said and done with.

Below is another picture of a supposed UK Cheese variety, notice that it looks different than all of the others, including the original. However, if there was going to be a fake impostor UK Cheese, this would be it. A beautiful plant, in fact it reminds me of a plant selected out of a pack of MNS Shit by a member here known as True. An exceptional looking specimen, but of course obviously it varies a great deal from the original. But if we're going to include some ordinary looking suspect UK Cheese pictures, why not bring up some real nice ones as well? As I mentioned, I'm sure these numerous UK Cheese clones floating around are good. Much like with the many fake G13 varieties, there must have been a reason for somebody to clone them and keep them. But are they the original? Well its pretty obvious, but I started this thread for others to make up their own minds.

A Beautiful, but suspect UK Cheese

ABUSIVE OGK and Snoop Dog - Page 6 - International Cannagraphic Magazine Forums


And the Original UK Cheese for comparison

imo it looks more like psycosis

 

[englishrick]

before i get into the meat and potato`s of this post, i would like to dedicate this set of pics to someone very very special!,,i didn't tell anyone for years that i got my cut from bightside, but now i see it as his legacy in some ways,, so im not gona hide it anymore,,brighside deserves to be celebrated,,

lets all take a sec to send brightside our best wishes ,,hopefully them good vibes reaches the gentlemen himself,,

since people keep using my pics of cheese in this thread,,il post-up a load so you can see the cheese that i got from brightside in all different environments,,,most people dont know this but brightside and i were friends before i even joined icmag,,i met brightside while chilling in Amsterdam,, just sat smokin a spliff,,,the mans a star on a ground level

brightside used to chill at haz mannor,,,he saw loads of different snips the exodus crew passed about,,if your looking at an exodus snip in your garden , chances are brightside has seen it too and years before it was hyped,

the cheese from bightside seems to be the smelliest "cheese snip" ive come across yet,, its not the best tasting "cheese snip" ive ever smoked, but its defo seems to be the most explosive in smell,,,ive actually stopped flowering it over the last few years because its silly when the other "highclass cheese snips" taste better in a spliff at the end of the day, it just stinks for no reason,,holding a gram gains people a fukin ora,,even smoking a splif between 3 gives everyone skunk breath,,

just so you know,,,brightside said the psycho is a widow or a widow cross to cheese,,he seemed 100% sure that the psycho clone had widow in there,,so im betting Psycho is a widow type.

ok,,here are the pics

 

[Joe King Park]

I Am An Alien ( SNL )

This Alien Cheese Really Impresses With Its Denseness And Odour
I'll Defineatly Be revegging Her
I'm Currently Revegging Another Cheese ( Shimla X ) And Find All Cheese Types To Be A Pain To Reveg , With A Couple Taking Five Weeks !!
But Theres No Question She's A Keeper , So This Is Where I Find Revegging To Be Understated In Many Books Out There
Joe

 

[nobody]

Some funny pics in this thread for sure hehehehe

You're girl Rick looks very similar to the top pic in the thread with those short dreads.Nice pics m8.

Hi JKP,nice pics,i remember when that alien stuff came out and a pack went for a grand or similar,certainly was alot of hype but im glad to hear you say some positive stuff about her.
You mentioned you were reveging another cheese x that i havent heard of but have heard of the region in northen India,seen it on some travel show with lots of snow and monkeys,what was that one like?Suppose if you asre re-veging it must have some desireable qualities?

 

[JessE]

Hi all,
I am curious when the next unknown location in the U.K is going to claim to be the place of origin for Cheese next? I have seen this variety evolve from nothing more or less than a picture of a plant that looked out of the ordinary to years later making a comeback as the U.K's "elite" cutting. From there many different cuttings of Cheese arrived, all of them being the original of course, despite the fact there are numerous different varieties all called Cheese.

The story has evolved, even in recent times, into something that it never was previously. Where is the Cheese council who convenes and votes on the next changes to the story? Why do so many of you simply go along with the ever evolving stories, without saying wait a minute?

Haze Manor, Lutton, Bright Side, who is the next city in the tale? London? Some surfers from Ireland? lol. I mean really, the story seems to evolve every year. And new experts, some with hijacked photographs , appear monthly and insist everyone else is a dumb ass and they are the ones who are the barer of truth lol. And unfortunately, one or two gullible folks will believe them and the tale starts to evolve further.

The U.K Cheese phenomena evolved out of the "elite cutting" hype that occurred at websites like Icmag, which in itself can be traced straight to the administration. The admin, conveniently, sells seeds. So they were creating hype to boast sales, and their bank accounts must be looking sweeet right about now because from my stand point they were very successful.

 

[Joe King Park]

Some funny pics in this thread for sure hehehehe

You're girl Rick looks very similar to the top pic in the thread with those short dreads.Nice pics m8.

Hi JKP,nice pics,i remember when that alien stuff came out and a pack went for a grand or similar,certainly was alot of hype but im glad to hear you say some positive stuff about her.
You mentioned you were reveging another cheese x that i havent heard of but have heard of the region in northen India,seen it on some travel show with lots of snow and monkeys,what was that one like?Suppose if you asre re-veging it must have some desireable qualities?

Shimla Is A New Strain I Still Know Very Little Of, But Past Buds Have Pleased
This Time Of Year , The Beggining Of Summer In North Wales , Its A Religion To Reveg And Put Out To Pasture ( For Their Final Crop ) Plants Which Have Got You Through The Winters Indoors
I Believe This Lemon Larry X Smurf Also Has Shimla In It.
I Must Say Though Its More Exiting Growing Mr Nice Again ( Not Including The Ortega Which Has Been Growing For A Year Now
Joe

 

[coop]

I can't wait for the sour diesel thread too.

i'm confused, this thread was too protect us from buying cheese seeds?

 

[englishrick]

jesse bro,,im not trying to put you down,,,im cool with you,,,im just trying to tell you the truth and my side of things,,hopefully you will approve,,this is from the bottom of my heart bro, please dont slap me with the naughty stick for this

the story has never changed jess,,,,i think your listening to too many different people,,dont listen to idiots who have never met anyone that chilled at Haz Manor,,please listen to me and use my writings as your main reference for cheese facts,,fuck everything else you have heard in the past,,just reference this,,,Luton in London was always the birth place for the name "cheese",,Haz Mannor was a squat / "project" in Luton,,the Exodus Crew lived at that squat,,,,the Exodus crew passed out the first "cheese",,thats where the name "cheese" was born,,,they are the facts bro,,,in the past you have probably heard a load of crap from misinformed people, but this info im laying down here aint like the rest,,you will notice alot of oldtimers will support what i say here,,,notice no1 is arguing with me on this subject,,i talk the truth bro,,so here it is

nowadays "Cheese" is a name used to describe a range of clones with similar phenotypic expressions,,,the Exodus Cheese is a specific clone from that range,,the Exodus Cheese is also the fist clone that was dubbed "cheese",,,,the exodus cut is actualy the the oldest cheese cut too,,so there can be loads of "cheese" cuts but there is only 1 exodus-cheese clone, the exodus cut has always first cheese clone....forget the rest bro


every man and his dog claims to have the "real cheese" but most people only have a newschool cut,,,the exodus cut is the first cut and a dude we call "Brightside" set the clone free on the internet,,,Brightside chilled at Haz manor, he was the dude who gave the exodus clone to me and may other members on here too,,thats 1 degree from the source bro,,no fukin about

^^thats the most direct info your gona get from anyone,,,

 

[british_hempire]

Haze Manor, Lutton, Bright Side, who is the next city in the tale? London? Some surfers from Ireland? lol. I mean really, the story seems to evolve every year.

It's Haz Manor, it was in the town of Luton, which is also where Brightside comes from.

Absolutely farcical that Jesse takes the mickey yet doesn't even know where or who he is talking about.

Here, dumbfuck, educate yourself, this is a documentary about Exodus:

YouTube - Exodus Collective - Living with the enemy - part 1

YouTube - Exodus Collective - Living with the enemy - part 3

YouTube - Exodus Collective - Living with the enemy - part 2

YouTube - Exodus Collective on Country House 1/2

 

[british_hempire]

I can't wait for the sour diesel thread too.

i'm confused, this thread was too protect us from buying cheese seeds?

Nah, this thread only exists because some dumbfuck conspiracy freak dreamt up a false conspiracy and thought it made them look clever by 'exposing' this conspiracy to the world. Nope, just makes em look like a dumbfuck...

Jesse has been asked many times in this thread if he has ever seen, smelt, smoked or grown Cheese and he has yet to answer.

I'll answer for him - NO, which makes him a huge dumbfuck for opening his arse to shit out this crap...

In the 80s and 90s Luton was famous for three things:

- the Bedford Van factory (owned by Vauxhall Motors, part of GM)

- Luton Town FC, they were in the 1st division for a while and were notorious for having a plastic pitch and banning away supporters from their ground

- Exodus Collective, they were one of the prime movers in the 90s underground rave scene

So where some dumbfuck like Jesse who's never heard of Luton and doesn't even know where it is (Bedfordshire, ya dumbfuck) gets the gall to write about it is beyond me...

 

[JessE]

jesse bro,,im not trying to put you down,,,im cool with you,,,im just trying to tell you the truth and my side of things,,hopefully you will approve,,this is from the bottom of my heart bro, please dont slap me with the naughty stick for this

the story has never changed jess,,

EnglishRick,
If you believe you can tell me the story has not changed, and that you hope I do not slap you with the naughty stick by telling you that you're wrong, then I do not know what to say to you.

There never was a Haz manor when the original picture was posted, that entire story was added later. The same with Luton, and the bright side angle etc. Of course the story changes, so to hear anyone suggest otherwise is absurd.

You ask me to take your word for it Rick, but the story was around long before you were. And there are 1,000 people, all with a variation of the story, who believe they know the truth as well. So if you feel that me pointing out this and much more is hitting you with the naughty stick, by all means cry foul.

The truth though is much different than the online picture some try to paint.

 

[british_hempire]

EnglishRick,
If you believe you can tell me the story has not changed, and that you hope I do not slap you with the naughty stick by telling you that you're wrong, then I do not know what to say to you.

There never was a Haz manor when the original picture was posted, that entire story was added later. The same with Luton, and the bright side angle etc. Of course the story changes, so to hear anyone suggest otherwise is absurd.

You ask me to take your word for it Rick, but the story was around long before you were. And there are 1,000 people, all with a variation of the story, who believe they know the truth as well. So if you feel that me pointing out this and much more is hitting you with the naughty stick, by all means cry foul.

The truth though is much different than the online picture some try to paint.

This has got to stop, you're a complete fucking moron and you haven't a clue about the truth!

Where do you live? Some backwoods shithole in the Appalachians?

That's a long fucking way from England, boy so where the hell do you get so arrogant as to tell English people what the truth is about something they did in their own country when you were still learning to pick the banjo...

Haz Manor didn't exist when that pic was posted?

Put the fucking moonshine down hillbilly boy, it's rotted your brain...

Haz Manor was built in the 19th century, it was a mental hospital until the 1970s when it became abandoned. In the late 1980s the Exodus Collective took it over, claimed squatter's rights and turned it into a nice place to live, like an English Kibbutzh.

Exodus were passed the Cheese cutting in 1995, that pic you spuriously use as 'evidence' or some other bullshit wasn't taken until at least 5-6 years after that.

Jesse, you really need to shut the fuck up talking about Cheese as you've made a huge and total ass of yourself and continuing to pretend you know some 'truth' just makes you look like the biggest dumbfuck in the whole history of dumbfuckery...

As for slapping rick with the naughty stick, we should smash a 9 iron through your face for how wrong you are...

Anyone asked Brightside what he thinks of Jesse and this whole bullshit 'truth' he's dreamt up?

 

[british_hempire]

Some info about Exodus and Haz Manor, that place jesse reckons didn't exist...

The Exodus logo:

Exodus leader Glenn Jenkins looking out of a tower block:

Glenn's facebook profile: Welkom bij Facebook - Meld je aan, registreer je of ontdek meer

An interview with Glenn that explains what happened to Exodus:

WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO THE EXODUS COLLECTIVE?

Part One (interview with former spokesmanGlenn Jenkins)

The Exodus Collective built up a remarkable and well deserved reputation for organising large free raves and renovating derelict properties in the Luton area over a ten year period. Their work inspired several television and radio documentaries, and generated more column inches of press coverage than any other group of its kind. So why did it all collapse in a heap in 2000. For the first time, former spokesperson Glenn Jenkins answers the questions which mystified many........

......and reveals how an even bigger project is now well on its way.

Regular readers of SQUALL will be aware that in their extraordinary ten-year history the Exodus Collective faced off relentless attempts by the political establishment and local police to stop them in their tracks. However, their avowedly non-commercial, non-violent, pro-active community stance earned them a deep respect in a wide cross section of the community. From inner city youth to church organisations. And this respect proved stronger than even the more malicious of their detractors.

Ultimately even Bedfordshire County Council voted for a full-scale public enquiry into a series of malevolent police operations against Exodus, including drug plants and fabricated murder charges.

The Collective's unique confluence of spiritual ideals and roughneck knowledge of the inner city helped foster a unique combination of the caring and the cutting edge. As a consequence they offered radical yet simple solutions to inner city regeneration and didn't wait around for permission to put them into action. The Collective campaigned vigorously for social justice and was an instrumental political force against the commercialisation of modern dance culture. Using the credibility they garnered with some large landowners they succeeded in hosting the annual Free the Spirit Festival, a massive free festival which in its fourth year obtained a licence without any compromise of its cultural identity. This was a rare feat.

But after ten years of prolific activity, things fell apart at the Fourth Free the Spirit Festival in 2000. Some members of the Collective thought the spiritually-principled voluntary ethic of the Collective should be laid aside to make money, and a hasty downfall precipitated. Many people outside Luton were mystified at the sudden collapse of such an inspiring movement and to this day it is not generally known what happened. In the first part of a series of examinations on what happened to the Exodus Collective - and how even bigger projects are now fermenting in Luton - SQUALL interviews Glenn Jenkins, Exodus' elected spokesperson from 1992 until its demise in 2000.

SQUALL: Two years on now from the end of the Exodus Collective, what is the condensed version of what happened?

GLENN J: There came a point where we had to realise the consensus which we operated on wasn't there to enough of a degree. That there was a sizeable portion of people who wanted to move things in a different direction than the one we had originally embarked on together. And that maybe doesn't sound like too big a thing but when you're talking about your Modus Operandi - what you do, why you do it, and what you do it for - then these are big differences that were growing under the surface. Not being verbalised in meetings but growing anyway.

SQUALL: What was the new MO being put forward?

GLENN J: It was the rejection of the strictures, the disciplines. Some of the rigid things we held 'in house' in terms of our practices. It was about our stance… our platform. And the ways of dealing with fundamental principles to do with spirit and a consensus on non-violence.

SQUALL: What were the differences in the consensus on non-violence?

GLENN J: Exodus has never been a green fringe thing. It's an urban thing and we all come from that world so there's no sort of judgement going on whether, if you punch someone in the face, you're a bad person full stop. It's just about whether you're looking to get away from that way of doing things or not. And the consensus disappeared on whether that was something we had to get away from. About whether we might have to deal with things in a different way if people come at us. If you adopt 'meeting fist with fist' as a philosophy... then spiritually we've divorced. And the non-violence was one part of the consensus which was lost in terms of our own personal behaviours for lots of us. And the philosophies of non violence seemed to turn to bollocks for some people. And they'd say 'Ah shut up with that bollocks' when our non-violent stance was talked about.

And I guess a part of me didn't want to believe we were losing the consensus. But we were.

SQUALL: What about collective decision-making?

GLENN J: Yeah that became increasingly less. Two years on I can look back and say there's things what went wrong in terms of our meeting structures. Not so much in attendance but in saying what you feel. In saying: 'I think this is bollocks', rather than just going with it because it's the direction that was collectively stated previously. More honest discussion about what's going on.... even if it offends the platform you're standing on, it should be said. And those things weren't being said but they were maybe being done, and action speaks louder than words. So it's no good coming to a meeting and saying, 'Yeah yeah yeah', and then saying 'Nah nah nah' when you're not at the meeting... when you're supposed to be carrying out the principles of what you'd agreed within the gathering. So again we lost the consensus, we lost the collective meetings. They actually became bigger as the situation stoked up because it was a major issue all of a sudden. But the respect for the meetings was lost in a big flank of the people. We were not a 'let's have a vote and the majority rules' type organisation at the time because if you're a spiritual battalion then you can't vote me out of my non-violent principles. I'd have to leave the space if the group decided that. You couldn't vote me out of my 'let's not be millionaires' principle. If it's alright to be a millionaire then spiritually it's not the right place for me to be in. So, with consensus, if we can't agree we stop and discuss and thrash it out and arrive at consensus before we move. But we lost that because people were moving ahead despite not agreeing with it.

SQUALL: So people were moving in disparate directions without finding out whether there was a consensus to back up what they were doing?

GLENN J: What I was doing in the same way was what I was always doing. Moving it forward, driving it where it needs to be and defending it when it's attacked. And because that's such a busy thing, such a head full job... what I was doing was what I thought we was always doing, striving hard not to be the Romans that we were born. At the time I had many a chat with SQUALL about the malaise that was gathering - but it took me by surprise when one of our eyes had gone. A flank of the movement with people in there who'd been there as long as me, who've sworn it as tight as I have and had now decided to go in a direction despite what the collective consensus was.

After the Free the Spirit Festival, we ground to a halt. Spiritually you can't go ahead together if you haven't got this consensus and clearly we had disagreements in the camp. After we ground to a halt there were parts of the Exodus Collective who thought it's more important to put events on than sit around talking about these bullshit issues.

SQUALL: You mean the raves?

GLENN J: The raves, the work on the farm... the whole programme. You have to understand that members of the collective are there on condition of loving these principles that we're on. And all of a sudden if those principles aren't there anymore then you can't put your work into it. You can't put your back into it because you would be building something you don't agree with. So anyway Exodus' activities came to a grinding halt and we had meeting after meeting after meeting. People shouting at each other and all of that kind of thing. It was like a divorce. We had our arguments. We had rare-ups. And when we realised we couldn't be a family again, then a fair section of the people couldn't stay there and removed themselves. The hardest thing is to keep your principles and know that your principles are bigger than the bricks and mortar which is looking you hard in the face at the moment. But there's a broader picture that helps us keep our principles rather than drop 'em for some bricks. If there wasn't a wider picture it might have been even more difficult to deal with than it was.

SQUALL: You said that a lot of things weren't said at meetings for a period and then it all started coming out. What precipitated the collapse, what circumstances brought about the final grinding to a halt?

GLENN J: The last Free the Spirit Festival…….

What happened at the festival was that the gaps in our shared direction - which in hindsight existed clearly - blew up. For me, representing some of the hearts and minds in the collective establishing the Free the Spirit Festival was ultimate victory. We'd squatted land for years with a view to freeing up that land. We'd established a template for a licensed festival where the licence was cut round the culture rather the culture being cut to fit the licence. But some people in the Collective didn't see it like that. Maybe it felt to them like we were letting go of the reigns. But we'd always said this was for the people. What we were fighting for is the space for a community to organise itself. We weren't fighting to become the new landlords. It wasn't all about us saying this is now our space and we'll let the people in sort of thing. So I believe there was some people in the Collective who felt that this is ours.

SQUALL: Exodus's you mean?

GLENN J: Yeah man.

SQUALL: And Exodus run tings?

GLENN J: You have to look at this in a balanced way. You couldn't say: 'Exodus Collective you lot lost it and think you run tings' and all that kind of thing. Because there are people who attend the events who are used to people who run the space. What we're trying to forge here is community self-policing and all this kind of thing. But people were content to leave it to us. So for the fourth Free the Spirit Festival that responsibility was a heavy load on an already creaking back. I could give you lots of examples like people coming and selling drugs, all this kind of stuff coming at us. But what happened at the Festival was that the underlying boil popped and, thank God, apart from those of us who were actively putting the festival on infrastructurally, the tens of thousands of people who came had a seriously beautiful time. But the people who were putting it on were fucked at the end of it. It was the most horrible period of my life. Seriously, I've never been under anything like that before. On a level like that when our Collective has all gone horrible. So then for me there began misty city ‘til now and still now to some degree. Cos there's a lot of different emotions involved. But I don't write this book. I'm just a actor playing a part of life and because we're not plotters and planners, we're just living out the experience with all its grooves and turns. I might perceive a framework or a sketch but then there's the actual finished article, which is a serious work of art if you like as the organic development unfolds. But then there's been twists and turns which I personally wouldn't have written into the story.

And it's only later on that you realise you're a fool because you're not aware of why these things happen for the greater bigger good. So there's a lot of pain and a lot of fucking confusion. Divorce, but on a different level.

SQUALL: In the immediate aftermath of the festival describe what was happening in the Collective and at HAZ manor?

GLENN J: Well obviously there was a devastation for one. That's how I felt. That's an understatement as it goes. I can't think of a word about how I felt actually. And the way I felt was shared by quite a few people in the Collective. Confused to some degree. There was different levels, some surprised, some not... because the situation had been growing and there were people who noticed it a lot more than me because they were on the ground in house [Glenn lives with his wife and four children on a nearby housing estate and not in one of Exodus's housing project]. 'Surprise' is perhaps the wrong word, 'taken off guard' might be better. There were 'domestics' going on which became heightened and there was an inability by us to be able to do what we did anymore in terms of being an open caring door. Other people felt it was our downfall that we were this open door, that we let idiots in. We had different outlooks on life now all of a sudden.

But there was a bigger picture, something almost mystical about it all that was holding me together personally and that was: 'Fuck me man we have just done it and then it happened. We done what we set out to do with the festival and freeing up land for community use... all that trek for years... occupy, occupy, occupy… leaving landlords and landowners letters and even poems saying 'Free up the land'... and the land was freed up and the badamm!... we blew up. It was verging on the mystical and I was thinking this could have happened six months ago and we wouldn't have been where we were. And the plans for a big community centre run by the community for the community were on the horizon. The public enquiry was on the horizon [a groundbreaking public inquiry into systematic police malevolence against the Collective had been voted for by Bedfordshire County Council]. Big tings were still there despite the fact that we had popped as a Collective... and it's that that preventing me from collapsing in a heap I think. And that's why I understand people who did collapse in a heap... because maybe they weren't in the 'crows nest' department looking out from the bridge. They were ground warriors. There were people dropping in a heap and saying fucking hell my life's just been torn up. So there was serious devastation about the place. And a series of months where we went through meeting after meeting. Personally speaking I went through a period of time where I believed we had to pull it together. I was in a state where the only way was pulling it together or otherwise it was the end of it. It felt like a book closing at such a crucial time. So it was well weird... the mixed emotions. And I was stuck on pulling it together but as things developed there was a sizeable team of people who wanted to drop the principles. Because it's heavy to strive to be better, rather than go "well that's the way I am so that's it". Most people get to a stage in their life when they get tired of striving for change and they think "I'm getting older and I've got to make my space".

So anyway it came to that point where I had to realise there was a bigger picture and I focused on that and trying not to let the high emotion stop me fulfilling that. Because I felt if we stopped moving with the bigger picture then not only was it the end of the book but also a serious victory for badness over what's right. Because it would be really bad for us to strive for so long to free up land 'by the people for the people' and it all goes in the shape of pear. So I was driven by that and to some degree that anaesthetised me from some of the everyday having-to-sit-and-wallow-in-it-pain that goes with that. So I was blessed in a way. But to the people who couldn't do anything other than that because they were plunged into a situation of homelessness... you know we were always so much more than a housing co-op or a dance. As a Collective we were a battalion. I believe in a movement which is worldwide and people picked up and strive for this movement. The global anti-capitalist campaigns are a part of the movement. It's everywhere. And the Collective was a single battalion of many for change and the collective became unwilling to continue with that burden of responsibility and so we separated in terms of our everyday activity and stance. It's painful shit.

SQUALL: When did you finally decide that the Collective couldn't pull it back together and how did you finally announce that you could no longer be the spokesperson and that the battalion had expanded?

GLENN J: There were internal declarations made, ie I said to those people that if we're not bound by the same principles, disciplines and agreements as we were before then I can't be there. Basically that was my choice and that was all good.

SQUALL: Did you wake up one morning and say 'right that's it I've given it enough time?’

GLENN J: Nah. It was over months. I was in a period of believing in my heart that we would get over this. Somehow or another people would - how I would see it - wake up to what they were doing away with. But it didn't happen and that took months. And then it took me months. I think in a way I started to set myself mental deadlines. But then things happened which released me from that because it put me in a headspace of thinking: "this is the end of a chapter not the end of a book".

Exodus means to go on a trek - many of you - from one space to another. But when you reach the other then the Exodus has actually finished for you and then you've got a building job to do within the principles and doing battle in the new place. Next round, next chapter. And when I was able to get into that headspace with a bit of help from Bob Marley and all that, I was able to feel differently about it. It's the same mission. I always thought that HAZ Manor and the farm were gonna be major demonstrations to people who don't believe in collectivity and that kinda way of doing things; of the success of those. In my book I would have written it so the manor and the farm would be perfect examples of spiritually sound, physically and materially beautiful projects and then we would have gone out with those on your heart and sleeve and say if you can't see what we're talking about then check that out. That was what I believed was gonna be the case. So well you could look at that as, well, a big failure but it's not about the manor and the farm. When you get on the bigger headspace one - which takes a long time to do - you start to realise that's still the case in a way because of the serious lessons that you draw from the experience. So instead of there being like this sketch version of how the manor and the farm were going to be demonstrations of fineness, they are that for the time that they were and then they’re big lessons for each and every one of us in the Collective. Because as I've said before I love all the people within the Collective, we stood through a lot of shit together and we're all damaged through that in terms of our relationships because people are still stinging and I would like to see the day when we can all live the life we believe in and not resent each other. But it's gonna take a while for the sting to go out of it.....

 

[englishrick]

hay jess,,

when was the first mention of cheese on the internet?

this info is from the 90`s,,,the exodus movement is pretty well documented,,check it out,,,

brightside had the snip back in the 90`s too,,,this internet clone this is a new game bro,,,the cheese was gettin a serious reputation in the 90`s,,,

any oldschool smoker/raver from around that area will verify this info,,no sh1t jess,,this 1 is raw ,,the cheese aint a misery no more bro,,,you fukin cracked the case

 

[british_hempire]

This is what Exodus were doing in 1995 when they got the Cheese:

Exodus rave collective benefit for Squall, August 5th, 1995.

One of the later big Exodus raves was on Hackney Marches, 2000, this is what that scene was like, all you needed was a soundsystem, a field and a load of people (not mentioning the ecstatic element! lol):