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Yep I did make that post and I stand by what I posted. I did have a chance to speak to Sam in Amsterdam and asked him several questions which he answered. I did some fact checking and what he told me was true. I also decided to read Joe Pietri book KING OF NEPAL and he does in fact state that he ratted another person out and helped the DEA nab a 500 kilo shipment of hash. I can no longer associate with someone who admits to ratting on people no matter what the circumstances are.

HAPPY NEW YEAR

Take Care and Peace
Marco Renda
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Treating Yourself
The Alternative Medicine Journal
 
Hi all,
It is great to see this thread still getting views, over a year since I originally posted this write up. There have been numerous discussions in related threads, with this topic going from a topic nobody dared to discuss in public for years to a topic which is readily found discussed on message boards across the internet now. So in that sense, the topic has raised awareness where previously there was none.

Some recommended reading for others who found this thread interesting:

http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/4-talk-shantibaba-mrnice-vu-du-com-support/4584-corporate-take-over.html

http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/4-talk-shantibaba-mrnice-vu-du-com-support/1606-origins-haze.html

http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/4-talk-s...23-international-cannabis-sativa-society.html

http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/3-daily-news/3577-world-according-monsanto.html

http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/3-daily-news/5373-gmo-terminator-cannabis.html
 
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It's true that Sam has 3rd Party DEA contracts but this doesn't make him a DEA informant. There are many company that have DEA contracts and it doesn't mean that they are informants either.

I also confronted Sam about the lies he told me in our previous phone conversation and cleared that up as well.

So for me this issue about Sam being a DEA Informant is over and done.

I am going to be concentrating more on trying to educate the uninformed about the medicinal values of the cannabis plant.

Happy New Year

Take Care and Peace
Marco Renda
Federal Exemptee
Publisher
Treating Yourself
The Alternative Medicine Journal
 
Marco Renda said:
It's true that Sam has 3rd Party DEA contracts but this doesn't make him a DEA informant. There are many company that have DEA contracts and it doesn't mean that they are informants either....
So for me this issue about Sam being a DEA Informant is over and done....

I am going to be concentrating more on trying to educate the uninformed about the medicinal values of the cannabis plant.

Marco Renda
Federal Exemptee
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I agree Marco that Education about the positive uses of Cannabis are what need to be focused on, but being in the industry YOU are in (media) it is also about seeking the truth. So with that in mind, we all know that Nev spent time in jail for the bust (about a year) without ever being charged.... but when Sam got busted in '85, then showed up in Amsterdam - did he spend time in jail, was he charged? And name ONE other company that has a DEA exemption to use Cannabis in the US, just one??? any one???? There aren't ANY? There have been Doctors who have tried to get permission to get and use Cannabis to do studies and have been repeatedly DENIED > But they get the only Import/Export DEA approved Cannabis use. They (GW) own about 11 patents on cannabis (cannabinoids) and uses and extractions. How does the ball bounce so high in one direction for Sam, he got all the breaks in the early 90's and all the way through. I know for a fact that there have been many uses of Cannabis for testing purposes (like Brown University) and the DEA won't even acknowledge that they DID a study. But let's ask someone who would know about the FEDS caring about patients, like their OWN FEDERAL PATIENT Irv Rosenfeld - the federal gov't never has done a follow up on any of the 13 original IND patients(ya know the ones who can legally smoke cannabis WHEREVER THEY WANT per FEDERAL GOV"T) check out the Missoula study for a follow up on Irv (done by my friends here in Montana) - Marco, I'm just suggesting that YOU have the power to put this story to rest. present all the facts and then let the public decide.... have we gotten all the facts, side-by-side to really see what happened. Hey JessE should just do another YouTube vid about it all.
How about getting back to educating the public about the benefits of Cannabis. Where's Rick Simpson? How about putting the gov't on the spot with their own Federal Patients, the 4 that are left.
One more question Marco.... what did Sam threaten you with in Amsterdam????
 
dbud1369 said:
One more question Marco.... what did Sam threaten you with in Amsterdam????
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I was also wondering what you meant by that. Nice post dbud.

I asked Ed (lol, get it?) about this and all he had to say was:

I have heard rumors that I was involved in this (Watson's transfer of seeds).

I was never more than a casual friend of his, we never collaborated on projects together. Please do not link me with him. He and I have always lead our own lives.

-Ed
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Sigh, what annoys me in all this is the casualty has been the truth.

Joe Pietri's a wierd guy, he hasn't done much to lead people to the truth, he could have done but for whatever reason he pushed other agendas that don't make much sense to me. I think he's largely motivated by making a name for himself to be honest. I have a dozen A4 sheets of handwritten notes from the last conversation I had with him, and they are chockful of useful bits of info, but a lot of filter and fact checking is needed to make any use of it.

On Ed Rosenthal, what he said about never collaborating with Sam is probably not true. Ed wasn't the guy who made the introductions that got Sam to Holland in order to sell his seeds, that was another American, not Ed.

Dutch criminologist Frank Bovenkerk wrote that Sam arrived in Holland in 1985 accompanied by Ed Rosenthal, I can't produce my citation from Bovenkerk's published writing that covers this as I lost my notes.

I wish I still had my notes on all this, they are on the hard drive of a dead laptop, I will have to remove that hard drive and retrieve em sometime soon.
 
It would be good to finally get to the truth. Shame there is no Wikileaks files on the cannabis industry lol.
Seriously, if someone like JessE could provide a well sourced and verified article, that clearly leads to an answer to this enigma re Sam Skunkman, it would help us all reach our own conclusions.
Facts like the transcript of Sam's initial bust in Cali and the data on british_hempire's hard drive, for example, could all be followed up. It would certainly make for a great article.
 
I did 2 years research, the answers are largely lost as the people who were around are gone, either dead, imprisioned or left the scene a long time ago. The handful of old timers stll around are not reliable or fully credible sources (Joe Pietri, Ed R et al).

If I thought the picture could have been fully fleshed out I would have done so, but there are just too many blind alleys and as a trained journalist, I'd never publish anything that I hadn't been able to fully fact-check, I'll leave amateur much-raking to Jesse and Joe, they are good at it.
 
as it goes... There seemed to be some coincedental timing on Marco's story for Joe P. in TY magazine. It was all set to go, and he's run other stories by Joe. (and written many posts in threads on ICmag defending Joe) But then, suddenlly , just after Thanksgiving , there seemed to be a shift in the winds at TTY. The winds shifted and they started to smell 'skunky'. Then Marco retracts the confirmed story, and now posting stuff about talking to Sam - confirming his side of things. Oh yeah, Glad that SAM pointed out the part about Joe being a snitch and he didn't try to hide it..... oh wait where was that .. in his BOOK... has Sam written any books on this?? huh?? remember how much of an impact printed articles have??? AND how he's just printing the educational side of things now. Really, that was quite a flip - as we all know about media there are ways to print things and not be in agreeance with them, but you seemed to want to get HIS (Joe P) word out - cuz SKUNK wouldn't? or what was your agenda? or motivation? TRUTH ??? There are some very interesting things that Joe has stated , they just raise questions that ppl are forgetting? and some ppl are fogetting the answers too...
cuz really I agree that it may be lost in the 'haze' of time and smoke..lol
I agree with Shanti and others when saying that the old timers all had a role to play in getting us where we are today. (Even Mr.Emery) They BIG question is how can we NOW UNITE things to have a more unified front towards legalization... not who said what 20 + years ago.. but when there are legitimate questions of conspiring ppl who partnered to get this done and "corner" the market ( or MONOPOLIZE ) and by "turning in their competition" to the DEA - I agree that there are documents that will clear some major questions up - will they ever be presented, maybe? or will they just be forgotten about... probably.
 
That's a low shot. I was merely pointing out that the same mutant traits that you find in OPT are present in PT. If those two lines aren't related then I would be extremely surprised as the OPT traits are very distinct and not at all common. I never presented what I said as 'expertise' I was just stating what I had seen when I had grown those two strains in my own garden.
 
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The S. Indian was from Sacred Seeds, it's in their 1981 catalogue so it may or may not be Sam's work, he might, as some say, have 'recused' it after the Sacred Seeds bust. He later did some hybrids of S. Indian to Haze and Skunk, they were sold by The Flying Dutchmen.
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Sam was not the breeder for TFD.
Eddie was...
Eddie used genetics from Sam and some of his own for the TFD strains.

Do your home work and please stop mentioning JessE in your posts as it piss me off to read bs about my friends. If you have a problem with him, solve it by the way of pm.

Got it?

Peace.

K.
 
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No-one has been able to prove that males are useful yet, and people have tried. No-one has been able to prove that there is any genetic information that is exclusively carried by the Y chromosone.

Males are trouble, it is very hard to assess them and when working with males you always have the problem of introducing bad recessive traits, this is a complex issue and I find it hard to explain in layman's terms.

Males are useful to people who want to make seeds easily as they are the easiest way of obtaining pollen, but they have many drawbacks.
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Shame on u British_H.
 
Ah, good old hempy, the nastiest piece of work on the internet, he's been acting like a total arse for many years, he was the same back at overgrow. He has a pathological hatred of me, has done since about 2004 and I've never worked out why, there are a lot of people hempy hates and he never misses an opportunity to rip into someone.

I haven't been at icmag for ages, dutchgroan banned me when I joined thcfarmer. Can't be me under a new name because my IP is blocked (yes, they log IPs) so unless I got a new service provider, I couldn't go back even if i wanted to. People don't vanish from icmag, they get banned, thing is, it's near impossible to get banned there for breaching the rules, look at how guys like hempy are allowed to behave, whereas people are banned all the time for political reasons.

I started learning about feminised seeds ages ago after a conversation in Holland with a science freak type and we were discussing the issue of cleaning up landraces, he told me it was best done through selfing and gave me a list of stuff I should read. It opened my eyes.
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Ahhh the penny drops.
 
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Marco.... what did Sam threaten you with in Amsterdam????
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Nothing what so ever and neither did anyone else.

All I can say is that there is NO WAY that I would trust anything that Joe Pietri has to say, nor do I support RATS!

HAPPY NEW YEAR

Take Care and Peace
Marco
 
Marco Renda said:
Nothing what so ever and neither did anyone else.
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SO if you'd have printed that issue then you think there would've maybe been any legal issues for you if you'd proceeded with Joe's story....??? but if that's the case then what info was so ILLEGAL for us to see? I've seen the article and you've supported Joe, in the past with other articles..... so if the legal issues didn't come then, then why now??? am I missinng something?? -

DB
 
one fact continually overlooked is that mr. sam was not near as integral to that cali seed scene as he later led folks in europe to believe. wtf people? he didn't get away, the dea let him go. he was not a principal, that is the fact to which i allude.

and mr. marco r, since you made the last post perhaps you could flesh out some comments made earlier? negative terms, ie rats and snitches, have been thrown about in this thread, terms any sensible person would choose to disassociate themselves from imo. and in my finite world i would suggest anyone in contact with the dea might wear this jacket? but then you qualify this by stating mr. sam does not snitch but rather he has a "third party dea contract" which places him in contact with the dea but it is not for the purpose of giving them information. something does not ring true here but before i go further, may i extend the opportunity for someone to define what a 3rd party dea contract is supposed to signify? and does anyone else onsite own such an honor? most folks the dea have in their radar have a file called a dea6 which is info on a possible drug criminal/crime, and i believe that lots of members here may have these.

one final comment; the dea is the new snoop for the usa and their technology far outshines that of the cia, nsa, fbi or...? info is power and the dea has it, the power to topple governments if need be. believe. peace-biteme
 
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