The Fertilizer of Economic Growth

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british hempire,

I'm sorry l33t, you're reading too much into what was just a slip of the tongue on my part. I was merely making reference to the Dutch Parliamentary papers, Jesse had already mentioned earlier in this thread that you had uncovered them so i thought it was okay to acknowledge that in public, i was giving credit where credit was due, sorry if any offence was caused. Also, I wasn't inferring anything regarding the Selezny name, I forget how I found it, you are correct that the first reference i saw was in Frank Bovenkerk's book.

As this is an issue that needs careful handling and like Shanti said many people have chosen sides.. since you posted about me and the way you wrote things suggested something that is not true I just wanted things to be clear.
I don't have any problem regarding the Dutch Parliament papers I had posted info about in the the past , I do not like inaccuracies so I just wanted it to be clear that I had not given Joe and Marco the Selezny name info is all because in your post it clearly seemed like that.So thank you for coming in and clearing things up and please excuse me for questioning your intentions.
Like I said all this is not really important as all this info is publicly available and has been a long time..but I saw a post that seemed to suggested something I didn't do and I wanted to clear things up , glad it is all clear now.

I'm bored of it all now and like Shanti says, it isn't getting us anywhere. I lot interest when I realized the potential for negativity contained in all this and I just don't dig negativity, surely it is best to focus on the positive aspects of life and for me, in large part, that's my plants.

So sorry to all I offended and I think I've had enough of talking about this subject now.
The reason you see so much negativity bh in such threads is because not many people have done any , let alone serious , research.Negativity aside after more people started getting interested and involved , like bigherb said a lot of unknown info came up to the surface and more and more questions got answered..so as long as people discuss like adults and people do their research beforehand , for me there is still hope that the real history of the genetics will be known and one day credit will be given where its due. Some people are interested in giving it a shot to try and help find the real story of haze for the sake of the history of the genetics which itself is an important part of the cannabis culture apart from growing information exchange and is one of the main reasons such canna boards exist. It would be nice to see you continue to participate but I can't blame anyone who decides to not get involved any further cause like you said the exposure to all the negativity can really be frustrating and is far from a good vibe..I guess thats part of the price to pay in such a case and of course its up to each one of us to decide how to proceed..

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HP/De Tijd

This article appeared in the magazine HP/De Tijd on 5-12-97 and permission has been granted to post this on the web from the magazine themselves.


Thanks to Uncle Sam​


After 1985 de quality of Nederwiet improved tremendously. Currently "our" wiet is considered to be the best. Is that because of Sam Selezny, alias David Watson, the super breeder from the states? Or is he under orders?


Report: Bas Barkman and Gert Hage

It was a lovely day, spring 1985, when a heavily built American landed at Schiphol airport. He wore glasses, his long blond hair kept together wih an elastic band. Without problems he passed customs and shortly afterwards received a warm welcome from another equally heavily built American.

Seemingly nothing special, certainly not in the crowded arrivals area of an airport. No one could have known that the lugage of the ponytailed man contained a box full of seeds- Cannabis seeds.

The box was the reason for Sam Selezny's trip to Holland. He was here by invitation from two pioneers in the weedgrowing industry. Two companions: Michael Taylor and Wernard Bruining, the owner of the first coffeeshop in Amsterdam. Although they already grew some nederwiet, the quality of it was not particulairly special, the knowledge they possessed of growing wasn't extensive enough.

During that time in Holland, there were probably no more than three big growing sites, covering a total a maximum of two thousand square meters. In coffeeshops Marrocan hash was still the most popular.

Sam Selezny, the super grower from the states, as Taylor had announced him to Bruining, would change this.

It proved to be true. Hardly three months after his arrival the first harvest from Fat Sam's seeds could be smoked. The connoisseurs where excited, the wiet tasted good, with a "high" high.


Hardly anyone knew at that time, especially not in Holland, that Sam Selezny, who in Holland presented himself mainly under the name David Watson, was arrested on the 20th of march that same year in Santa Cruz, California.


It was nine years later in the summer of 1994, when Mario Lap, at that time working for the Dutch Alcohol and Drugs Institute, tapped Hedy D'acona on the shoulder in Brussels.
"Hedy, can you tell me why you provided David Watson with a license (to grow)?" Lap asked the newly appointed MEP and former minister of Health. Lap had only just before that found out, to his utter astonishment, that Watson, who he only knew by the name of Selezny, was granted a license to grow marijuana for scientific purposes.
Why on earth Watson, a man with what he had heard a shady past in the states as illegal grower, a man who also had been detained and who certainly was not a scientist?
And why not the Academic Medical Center in Amsterdam, which had been after a license for years to research the medical workings of the plant?
MEP D"Ancona didn't know.

The ministry itself couln't provide Lap with any clearance on the licence which had been granted on 16th of september 1994, signed by "plaatsvervangend" director general of health, Drs RJ Samsom.

Lap; "I couldn't find out how it had happened. Very strange. A bit scary too."


In two big greenhouses in Rijsenhout, a village near Schiphol airport, the process was already under way to develop a cannabis plant with a high THC content, which in due course could be used as a basis for medicine. Or rather, it was on those terms that, after years of negotiating, the license was granted.
Three years, with limiting conditions; only chemical analytical research, not more than 10 grams of THC and a spotless administration.

The office and lab of Hortapharm are based in Schinkelhavenkade in Amsterdam. A little green building, a big window which in the evenings is covered with a steel sliding door. Inside it smells of fresh wiet. David Watson is on his guard. He wants to talk, but demands the final say on every sentence written about his firm. It is the end of September and Watson is waiting for the decision on the renewal of his license. "I want to continue with my research" he says, "I cannot use any publicity which might be possibly disadvantageous to my business.

He is startled when he hears we know the location of his greenhouse. "There are millions worth of plants and apparatus, no one is allowed to know."

Hanging on the wall behind him are 5 licences, granted by the DEA, a worldwide operating organization, whose task it is to fight drugs.

Watson doesn't receive his longed for renewal of his license.

The ministry announces at the end of September that, since the minister forbids the medical supply of cannabis, a license to grow cannabis is no longer in line with the health ministries' policies. Besides that, during repeated inspections of Hortapharm, it was found the Admin was not run according to the requirements. The decision is definite, the two locations where hortapharm is based have to close their doors. On 29 October the Ministery confirms their decision in writing to Hortapharm: The head officials of Justice in Haarlem and Amsterdam have been informed of the fact the license has now expired.

On Schinkelhavenkade however, it is business as usual, the director and only shareholder told us last Monday. He saw the decision of the minister in a different light. "There are people who want it that way" he said, was his cryptic explanation, but there are also people who want it in a different way"

From his point of view nothing has changed, an "on-going situation". "There is info, and there is correct info. They are false statements from the ministry and it's not the first time. "

He didn't want to comment any further on the matter.

It is not surprising Watson, Alias Sam Selezny is not very willing to talk. Him and his firm came under fire only recently during a broadcast from the VPRO. This broadcast even lead to questions being asked in Parliament (about the licence)

The radiomakers had contacted the sheriff of Santa Cruz, who confirmed the arrest of Watson on March the 20th in 1985, in relation to illegal cannabis growing.

How it was possible Watson could set foot in Holland a month later, no one understands. Why wasn't he, caught red handed, in prison? As a rule the American Justice system doesn't show clemency to drug criminals.

There are presumptions, also mentioned in the radioprogramme. Is it possible Watson struck a deal with American Justice, mainly the DEA? In other words, has he, in exchange for his freedom agreed to cooperate with the justice system from time to time?

Questions which are left unanswered.

The DEA never talks, something the enquetecommitee "van Tra" discovered too.

On the 5th of November, Minister Borst answered the questions in Parliament.
No, there had not been a antecedenten (?) investigation in regards to the person requesting the license.
There had been doubts though about the reliability of the request, especially wether the cannabis would only be used for scientific purposes. But there was no proof to turn these doubts into hard facts. On the basis of doubt a license could not be rejected, in the court of law.

Actively requesting personal information from the police register had never been done, but she was planning to do so in due course.

Subject closed.

But the case is even stranger than it actually seems.

How did Watson acquire the funds to found Hortapharm? After some research it shows Watson wasn't only involved in illegal weed growing in the USA, but in Holland too. Not weedgrowing as a hobby, but on a grand scale, a business worth millions.

It was clear the Dutch Wietgrowers caught a big fish with getting David Watson on board. A man fascinated by the secrets of the cannabis plant. A man on a mission, convinced of the blessings of cannabis.

Like every American, he thought big. Just like Michael Taylor, also known as Michael Rich. They became companions, throwing themselves on the big scale growing of nederwiet.

Wernard Bruining declined. "It became too big and too fanatic. They wanted to be the best and biggest, which wasn't necessary for me."

It was annoying for him though that two of his greenhouses were busted shortly after wards. A coincidence, the police told him, they just happened to come across it. "But it was the first time they busted a big greenhouse. Before that they had never managed to do so"

In the summer two big sites where busted, the third empty upon arrival. Various employees where arrested, Watson and Taylor stayed out of sight. In the "us knows us" world of growing they were already for some time known as people who pulled the strings. Shortly after wards stories circulated the two Americans had started again. Within a few months they had set up a new greenhouse. This one was busted too, but again no sign of the Americans.

Were they simply too smart, or was it something else, something invisible (untouchable)?

No one paid too much attention to it. There were suspicions, but the were erased when the two continued a few years later, undisturbed.

It was the era when partially thanks to Watsons' seed, Holland's masses switched to nederwiet.

It became an internationally recognized product, the new pearl of the dutch horticulture.

But in 1992 the calm tide turned, when in the vicinity of Tilburg two massive growsites were busted, with according to the police 40.000 plants.
Sirens, squat teams, broken doors and a lot of screaming. Two of the approximately fifteen suspects broke down practically straight away under questioning and mentioned the name Watson as the big man and investor behind the wiet operation. Justice didn't act. Didn't ask questions about him, didn't even investigate the large amount of funds which apparently left the country via Luxemburg.

Watson was and remained, to the surprise of many, a free man and founded Hortapharm that same year.

Supported by advisers he started negotiating with the health ministery about acquiring a license. One of these advisors was ex police commissioner (?) K Sietsema, at that time already active as Private detective. "If I know Hortapharm? If we're talking about the same firm then yes, " Sietsema says; "but I don't talk about my clients, a kind of code of honor"

In the world of the wiet growers suspicion arose. One after the other growsite was busted, tens of people disappeared behind bars, but one of the biggest and probably best could continue without any disturbances.

That the American Godfather of Nederwiet had such good contacts that he could continue to practice his profession legally for three years, the ultimate breeders' dream, was considered utterly strange.

Coincidence?

The arrest in 1985, the large scale busts of grow sites without any consequences for Watson or his Companion, Hortapharm and its first license, the advisor Sietsema, it was too much of a good thing.

Were Watson and Rich DEA informers after all, as some people had claimed them to be before?

"They started at the right side, but Watson had little choice" Bruining thinks; "It was or going to jail or cooperate with the American Justice system."

Mario Lap, who amongst other things advices the PVDA (dutch political party) on drugs problems, is sure of his case.

His last bit of doubt dissapeared upon discovering that the Australian Police was in possession of a list, compiled by Watson, of renowned Dutch breeders, including a precise description of their products, even mentioning the genetic codes. Handy with the eye on the plans of the ministry of health to make growing indoors illegal.
"Instantly those creeps have the monopoly, later on they'll be the only ones allowed to breed the seeds, which is what it is about" lap says bitterly.

Which would make the DEA mission successful. They have the names of the breeders, their products and eventually the market of neder weed in hands.
The DEA has thus proven not only to be champion of controlled drug flow, but has also proven itself to be the best wiet grower in the world."

Copyright: HP/De Tijd 5-12-1997.
 
His last bit of doubt disappeared upon discovering that the Australian Police was in possession of a list, compiled by Watson, of renowned Dutch breeders, including a precise description of their products, even mentioning the genetic codes. Handy with the eye on the plans of the ministry of health to make growing indoors illegal.
Neville went on to many endeavors in Holland, working as both a breeder for select companies, as well as providing marijuana for many Dutch coffee shops, even owning his own coffee shop.Sometime in the late 1980’s or early ‘90s he was arrested in Perth, Australia after being listed on America’s Top Ten Most Wanted and spent a year and a half in a western Australia jail fighting an illegal extradition case with grounds for an appeal being that Neville held both a Dutch and Australian passport. From there, Neville spent quite a few years afterwards underground before re-emerging in the early half of the 21st century as a breeder and consultant with Mr. Nice Seeds, along side fellow Australian breeder, and legend in his own right, Shantibaba.
http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/showthread.php?t=1606

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Heavy information, friend! Real heavy!

What do you think happened to all those people who fell to the law in both Santa Cruz and Holland?

Have any of these people -must have been numerous- ever told their story?

Were they aware?
 
I must say,
this thread is good!.


all said and done hortapham=satavex and they will do there best to stop one and all growing? there own meds.

he is doing what the petrochemical companys have allready done BUT! with OUR herb?.

they are mappiing genetics to copyright them, then they add theft to the charges!.

Never mind his past which include fems that wont clone and GM seeds, which he wants.

He should not be welcome on boards etc because he is actually laughing at us, while he is working on screwing us daft stoners NOW!.:rolleyes:

Just a pitty we all where not there at the time, alot has past and he has made alot of money off the back of hortapharm etc.

And now everything has settled with only threads like this to worry about.

I think we should have a look at hortapharm's stance on US stoners?, do they back ANTI MJ ? then he would have no place in our society??????.


rant over just finished night shift and needed that!!!!!!!!!!!!.

O I hate IMFORMERS:mad:




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Nice report from "HP/De Tijd" the VPRO radioshow would be nice as well as the "police report" if it exist of the SantaCruz time (I think almost impossible to get).

Can those busts from tilburg be know(the 40.000 plants)?
 
Alot of people seem to believe the side of the story that says Sam is a rat,fair enough, yet not many people seem to question the fact that Nev was also wanted and caught by the DEA, yet managed to serve only a year and a half before he was free.(I thought I'd read before that he managed to jump bail and sneak out of Oz) Which if true is super suspicious imo.

I haven't seen as much research into this subject so maybe all the legal documents are there to show how Nev managed to get out, but as it mentions in the above article ''as a rule the American justice system doesn't show clemency to drug criminals'' and he was up against the DEA.

You seem to have done some research in this area Jesse, so if you know anything will you post it up,I'm curious to know.

Peace GG

P.S Regarding Hortapharm/GW, It would be sad and unfortunate if the company did come about by Sam's ''work'' with the DEA, but I do think it's about time that cannabis based drugs are available to people who need them and who don't like to get high.

Why should the healing qualities of cannabis be just for the people that can handle/like the effects of getting high.

When we hear of somebody having negative effects from weed, like panic attacks, psychological problems etc, alot of us say ''well it's not for everyone'' and I think it's the same for medical users.

Most of the medical strains available are recreational,with 15-1 THC-Cannabinoid ratio, when Medical users seem to need more like 1-1 ratio.

So until people like Shanti start breeding proper medical strains, by either crossing his high cannabinoid(15%ish) strains with stuff in his available collection, or else start producing low thc strains with a large spectrum of cannabinoids in them , at about 1-1, the drug companies will flourish selling a product that the seed companies,like MNS can't compete with.

Peace GG
 
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Alot of people seem to believe the side of the story that says Sam is a rat,fair enough, yet not many people seem to question the fact that Nev was also wanted and caught by the DEA, yet managed to serve only a year and a half before he was free.(I thought I'd read before that he managed to jump bail and sneak out of Oz) Which if true is super suspicious imo.

Hi Genegenie,
Below is information I had previously recommended members familiarize themselves with from former High Times writer Peter Gorman which was touched upon on the previous page.

NEVIL MAKES BAIL, THEN DISAPPEARS
(Nov ‘91 HT)

Nevil Schoenmakers, former owner of Holland's Seed Bank, has vanished. After spending 11 months in prison in Perth, Australia, Schoenmakers was freed on June 21, on $100,000 bail. Six weeks later, he blew off a required appearance in federal court. It is believed that Schoenmakers was enroute to Holland.
The events left US prosecutors redfaced and angry. In New Orleans, where charges of violating the Controlled Substance Act were filed against Schoenmakers on July 13, 1990, Assistant US District Attorney Laurence Benson had nothing to say about the dramatic disappearance. “We’re in a no-comment mode on that,” he told HIGH TIMES.
That Schoenmakers was finally granted bail after repeated motions came as a major surprise. Australian Federal Court Judge T.K. French gave two reasons for his decision: Schoenmakers was not a fugitive from any country, and he had already spent nearly a year in jail without being tried for any crime.
Schoenmakers, a dual citizen of Holland and Australia, was picked up by Australian authorities on July 24, 1990. He had flown home to join Trish Roberts, who was pregnant with their first child. At the time,Schoenmakers was making plans to return to Australia permanently to raise sheep and horses. Schoenmakers is a champion sheep breeder, as well as a breeder of the finest marijuana seeds in the world.
Less than two weeks earlier Schoenmakers and an unnamed co-conspirator were charged in a 44-count indictment with distribution of marijuana seeds, conspiracy to manufacture marijuana, illegal use of the US mails and operating a continuing criminal enterprise. Schoenmakers faces a maximum penalty of 99 years in federal prison.
The key allegations concern the continuing criminal enterprise charges, which carry a minimum sentence of 10 years. According to a source close to the case, the US District Attorney’s office in New Orleans tried to cut a deal with Schoenmakers’ lawyers that would have greatly reduced the amount of time Schoenmakers would have had to serve if their client could somehow implicate HIGH TIMES in a conspiracy with the Seed Bank, which bought advertising space in the magazine. The offer was rejected.
As one of his bail conditions, Schoenmakers agreed to report twice a day to the Midland police station in Perth. The August 2 edition of The West Australian, however, reported that Schoenmakers had failed to show up Wednesday morning, July 31, leading the paper to predict, “Star Will Miss His Show,” which he did. Roberts told the paper the last time she had seen him was at home at 5:30 pm on Tuesday, July 30. Roberts went out for an hour. When she returned, he was gone.“I believe he has much better prospects in Holland,” she said. “I certainly hope he makes it.”
Meanwhile, Schoenmakers' lawyer, Chris Elliot, tried to go ahead with the extradition appeal without his client, but the prosecutor, Marcus Weinberg, argued that to proceed with the appeal would be an abuse of the process because, he said, it was assumed that Schoenmakers would be hiding out and waiting to see which way the appeal went. An August 9 deadline was set for Schoenmakers to resurface and come to court. When he didn't, the appeal was dismissed.
If Schoenmakers, indeed, makes his way back to Holland, there is little chance that he could be extradited back to Australia for having broken his bail agreement, and no chance of his being extradited to the US. No extradition treaty between Holland and the US exists.
The Seed Bank, which was sold in 1990, continues to operate, though it no longer does business in the United States.
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Operation Green Merchant continues to affect the lives of hundreds, perhaps thousands of Americans. Each week the HT newsdesk receives two to four newspaper clippings from around the country—most related to busts or forfeiture—which mention the operation. Additionally, OGM spawned several other government operations, including Operation Smokescreen, which involved a grow store in Indiana that was operated by the Indiana state police (HT Aug., ‘92). More than 40 people who purchased equipment from the store were eventually busted for marijuana growing. In Houston, the DEA tried to get a store owner to allow them to videotape all transactions (HT May, ‘92). Also in Houston, several seed supply companies have recently opened, all suspected to be connected to law enforcement.
http://petergormanarchive.com/green_merchant.html
 
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That is quite a sad story.

Each week the HT newsdesk receives two to four newspaper clippings from around the country—most related to busts or forfeiture—which mention the operation. Additionally, OGM spawned several other government operations, including Operation Smokescreen, which involved a grow store in Indiana that was operated by the Indiana state police (HT Aug., ‘92). More than 40 people who purchased equipment from the store were eventually busted for marijuana growing. In Houston, the DEA tried to get a store owner to allow them to videotape all transactions (HT May, ‘92). Also in Houston, several seed supply companies have recently opened, all suspected to be connected to law enforcement

Im not really familiar with us law, but isnt that entrapment of some sort? It makes no sense for the state to sell people seeds just for the purpose of busting them. Consider the $ price of keeping a man in prison, it doesnt seem worth the trouble. I could beleive that the state might allow a rumour like this to spread to discourage people from growing, but i cant help feeling a good lawer would be able to wriggle out of the case, especially if the shop in question used any sort of advertising. Anyway, just some idle speculation from me :)

Edit: I was looking for further information when i came across this http://zoklet.net/totse//en/drugs/marijuana/bbros_number_11.html

I make no claims about the facts (or lack of) written there but maybe it will be an interesting read. I have found that site to be full of interesting and occasionally hilarious stuff.
 
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JessE do you have that link on the "HP/De Tijd"?
Hi joaquin,
The article from HP/De Tijd is not available online, however I have requested the contact information for those interested in obtaining a copy of the text for themselves. Charges may apply.

Audax Publishing BV
Redactie HP/De Tijd
Postbus 95044
1090 HA Amsterdam
+31 20 597 9400

Nice report from "HP/De Tijd" the VPRO radioshow would be nice as well
A copy of the radio show can easily be obtained by sending 8,50 Euro to
Postbank 4446000. Be sure to include the date of broadcast, "Hortapharm, 3 October 1997."

One should be aware of the language barrier that exist between the Dutch and other nations, and thus be prepared to handle this problem accordingly.
 
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jesse

your research and efforts are appreciated

WOW

its all overwheming the deeper it gets

now we have links too access copies amazin
 
jesse

your research and efforts are appreciated

WOW

its all overwheming the deeper it gets

now we have links too access copies amazin

This is really becoming an argument with alot of weight, Although the skunk mans end goal is speculation; this conspiracy theory is very believable.

jessE your efforts are astounding, and 'if' your right and just in the nick of time, you will be a true hero in the community..

Peace jessE
BL
 
United we stand , divided we fall

We are all at risk , in one way or another , if this is all true , then fairplay , It's some bad shit , people could still argue black is white vice versa , wars start on less facts than this thread , but the coin is always flipped both ways , will we all really know the truth ?

I don't know :)

I hope all growers of the fine herb stay safe worldwide :) , we are all one , well thats how I like to look at things ,

It's guys like JessE that do go the extra mile , tread on toes , sometimes it rubs folk up the wrong way , but if nothing was to hide , then nobody would get worked up , maybe , I don ' t know , this all gets played out behind a screen , facts are facts though if you do your research , like he seems to have done

But one thing is I agree with '#' , Nobody likes to be ratted on , you just don ' t grass no matter what

peace all
 
That is quite a sad story.



Im not really familiar with us law, but isnt that entrapment of some sort? It makes no sense for the state to sell people seeds just for the purpose of busting them. Consider the $ price of keeping a man in prison, it doesnt seem worth the trouble. I could beleive that the state might allow a rumour like this to spread to discourage people from growing, but i cant help feeling a good lawer would be able to wriggle out of the case, especially if the shop in question used any sort of advertising. Anyway, just some idle speculation from me :)
cops all around the world are worst than the snakes, don't know ??
cops all around the world, and especially in usa, use to sell drugs to people in the street and after that bust him.
You never see any movie or tv show about it ?
 
cops all around the world are worst than the snakes, don't know ??
cops all around the world, and especially in usa, use to sell drugs to people in the street and after that bust him.
You never see any movie or tv show about it ?


Lol well, i actually read that properly after i posted :D and noticed that the link jesse posted was actually the full version of what i did. I wouldnt put too much faith in what you see in movies, but yeah police... there is a reason they get insulting nicknames. Its pretty obvious that alot of what they did was illegal, as evidenced by the number of dropped cases.

The police where i live can sell you drugs in the street, but only if you seek them out. What they cant do is encourage you to break the law and then nick you for it.

Edit: just as an after thought, i notice that wikipedia doesnt have an entry for operation green merchant.
 
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Lol well, i actually read that properly after i posted :D and noticed that the link jesse posted was actually the full version of what i did. I wouldnt put too much faith in what you see in movies, but yeah police... there is a reason they get insulting nicknames. Its pretty obvious that alot of what they did was illegal, as evidenced by the number of dropped cases.

The police where i live can sell you drugs in the street, but only if you seek them out. What they cant do is encourage you to break the law and then nick you for it.

Edit: just as an after thought, i notice that wikipedia doesnt have an entry for operation green merchant.
REMEMBER THIS TRUTH ALSO...police in the States do not have to ID themselves as officers if you ask, the old "Are you a police officer question" that many thought protected them from undercover agents is a bust, no officer must answer the question when undercover whether they are selling illegal cd's or crack, they don't have to i.d. themselves so don't be fooled by this poor piece of advice that many take to be true, cops have no responsibility to i.d. themselves if you ask "Are you an officer of the law?" they can flat out lie and then bust ya
 
REMEMBER THIS TRUTH ALSO...police in the States do not have to ID themselves as officers if you ask, the old "Are you a police officer question" that many thought protected them from undercover agents is a bust, no officer must answer the question when undercover whether they are selling illegal cd's or crack, they don't have to i.d. themselves so don't be fooled by this poor piece of advice that many take to be true, cops have no responsibility to i.d. themselves if you ask "Are you an officer of the law?" they can flat out lie and then bust ya

Totally True!!!
 
This is a quote from another thread that got me thinking?


Again!.lol


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Originally Posted by Trillion
Yes well done gg indicas have higher cbd to thc ratios, we all know this.

I was answering SB's question in regards to why the article says that " (CBD), [being] eliminated from skunk through selective breeding to increase the THC content."

This is because any indoor grown cannabis deemed by the authorities to be "skunk" and then tested for cannabinoid content (the results of which are most likely where the data supporting this article was gathered) more often then not would contain little to no CBD due to the reasons i explained in my earlier posts (criminals looking for a quick profit don't let their crops fully mature hence no CBD).

It is the mistake of the researchers of this article that they assume this is down to irresponsible breeding, it is simply a case of them not having enough knowledge about the plant to interpret their data correctly.

I think it would be pretty tricky to breed CBD out of indicas and the indy dom hybrids that most people use for indoor cultivation.
Saying that hashish cultivars were higher in CBD 20 years ago compared to indicas today is unfounded and simply ridiculous.
Unless there's a secret master breeder plotting to give us all psychosis by breeding out CBD quote end

Sorry bit off topic?. "few beers!".

The above makes me think of possibley the bigger picture?????????????.

TOTALLY AGREE SIR!, maybe there has been?, Unless there's a secret master breeder plotting to give us all psychosis by breeding out CBD

GW PHARMA?. Frankendickman?.

All this hype about sk inthe press all the time?, he owns the line? and its ALL HIS FAULT why no retribution?.

Are we the MJ community being set up for a fall? genetic mapping etc?.

ie: THC = BAD and CBN = GOOD? then look at what he is doing?. Does / will he have rights to anything that has SK in it?.

Pitty he gave Nev permission to use it!?.


All this scare tactics in the press etc?.:(



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Totally agree with you on the cheese BH, not a favourite of mine at all.

If you read my other posts from the thread the quote above is taken from you'll see I'm of the opinion that prematurely harvested cannabis wether Sk#1 or bush sativas are detrimental to mental health. Im also very clear in explaining the distinction between Skunk as a strain on the one hand and the words' usage as political rhetoric.

I've heard the same stories from UK to USA to South Africa and they have one thing in common; copious amounts of poorly cultivated commercial herb.

A well grown sativa even with miniscule to no amounts of CBD is a slightly different beast to indy doms with more CBD and are really not for everyone, one must have the correct mentality and be emotionally healthy (maybe not the best description but you see what im getting at) to be able to comfortably handle and enjoy a strong sativa recreationally.... imho
 
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