shanti are the mango haze parents different?

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sour power

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hi shanti.im wondering as well as others is the beta mango haze you sent out for testers have different parents than the mango haze that is sold now?let me state that i love my mango haze i have but i see these posts about different parents and it makes me wonder.
 
Hi Shanti

hope all is going well

sour power basically refers to a JessE's reply post in a thread I had made some time ago on the linage of Haze hybrid strains ,
where in order to try to explain the differences seen in different posts on the MH linage that you have posted over the years , JessE speculated that there might have been a change in the beta vs public release of Mango Haze.

Here is the thread :
http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/showthread.php?p=2095#post2095
Jesse's reply I refer to is the second post in the thread

Could you please have a look and give a reply explaining why we see differences in posts you have posted over the years on MH linage?

thanks

l33t
 
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Hi all :)
The Mango Haze that everyone has read about as being so special is the same Mango Haze available on the market today. She is the variety that earned the reputation that so many of you have found intriguing, and thus any concerns or worries can easily be laid to rest in that respect. This is a variety you want in your grow room at one point in time or another. And she may very well stay for well into the future.

The testing of this variety was done many years ago, with the threads for those test variety(s) and their websites being virtually non existent now. (With very small exceptions). So any hypothetical changes would have next to zero meaning to the vast majority of consumers today, as any changes would have occurred long before this variety started to pick up the momentum we currently see. Academically speaking however, as one can decipher from the text above there has been an open question on the subject for some time now. Those who would benefit from that knowledge are in an extreme minority today, and thus the vast majority of you would not be affected by the ultimate answer to the question at hand.

I could not recommend this variety enough to anyone interested in growing seed you can count on to deliver superior results nearly every time you crack a bean. This is among the finest varieties of marijuana in the world today from seed, a variety I plan to work with for many years to come.
 
Does Mango Haze actually include both HzC and HzA?

If so, it doesn't seem to jive with the breakdown of Neville's Haze Mango
http://www.mrnice.nl/dhtml/strains.php?id=31

"This seed is basically comprised of 12.5% skunk, 25% NL5, and 12.5% Haze A male, 50% Haze C male."

If Mango Haze has any HzA in it, shouldn't there be more HzA in this cross? These numbers suggest the only HzA in it is from Nevil's Haze, which is 50% HzC, 25% HzA, and 25% NL5.
 
Thanks S13, I've browsed the forum a bit, and seen those breakdowns (but not from Shantibaba himself?). I've also read somewhere that Mango is different from SSH because it's mother is a different selection from the same huge batch of NL5 x HzC, (the 122 cut)? But that they share the same father.

I was just pointing out that the breakdown of "Nevil's Haze Mango" stated in it's description seem to indicate it is Nevil's Haze crossed to a NL5/HzC x Sk1/HzC
 
Sensimilla13 said:
I agree the description of NHM implies that it is SSHxNH
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I wasn't thinking that it might actually be SSH. Just that it seems to back up the story that Mango Haze is also a NL5/Hzc x Sk/hzC selection. Essentialy, that it is a different NL5/HzC mother from SSH, but they share the same Sk/HzC father.
 
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wonkadonk said:
I wasn't thinking that it might actually be SSH. Just that it seems to back up the story that Mango Haze is also a NL5/Hzc x Sk/hzC selection. Essentialy, that it is a different NL5/HzC mother from SSH, but they share the same Sk/HzC father.
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Correct, they did a huge NL5Hz grow and the female selected by Nev became the mother of SSH, the female selected by Shanti became the mother of MH.
 
british_hempire said:
Correct, they did a huge NL5Hz grow and the female selected by Nev became the mother of SSH, the female selected by Shanti became the mother of MH.
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somthin to ponder on , i know i have but havnt gotten a direct answer .

if you havnt picked on up this either it was on page #2 of the ssh/jh/deez thread ,according to the info neville gives this contradicts your above post/the info shanti has given

neville quotes

Either Sensi directors authorised the release of the plant produced from a mating I had made prior to ending up in jail in 1990, or a person in a position of trust made private arrangements. The mating was NL5xHzC X SK1xHzC.
Sensi won a cup with this cutting. It was called "Jack Herer". The J.H. line of seeds had this plant as a mother.
Green House also won with this plant at the Cups. It was called Super Silver Haze. As GH never had this cutting, who knows what they are calling SSH.
In the '90s, a variety known as Diesel was making a name for itself. When I smoked it I knew instantly that this was exactly the same plant and they had a cutting. The early Diesel line of seeds would also have used this plant as a mother.
All 3 lines were made with different fathers at least and this was 20 years ago. One would assume that successive generations would all go in their own unique directions, presumably giving rise to any distinct differences today. The names have remained the same and all 3 lines gained their credibility from the exceptional qualities of the original cutting NL5HzC x SK1HzC.
N.
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The area for improvement was not the NL5xHz mother, SB already has cuttings of the best ever produced. The improvement would be in the SKxHz father. Later Skunk versions that were crossed with the Haze were far superior to the Skunk Hazes of the '80s.
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my reponse below as to which i believe nev got heated

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All 3 lines were made with different fathers at least and this was 20 years ago
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shanti's info is different from wat nev just told soo i hope you can understand why many of us including myself were pondering on the statement



1luvbigherb
 
Poppin beans

Im planting beans right now. Just taking a smoke break.
Im dropping in 46 Haze and sativa beans. They are from many companies. Some Thai and Asian mixes. Also have some Mango Hazes in there too,along with Super silver, and Nevils Haze
 
bigherb said:
shanti's info is different from wat nev just told soo i hope you can understand why many of us including myself were pondering on the statement
1luvbigherb
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I suspect the Mango hazeA content has been substituted by hazeC in the Nev'sMango cross. but wtf do I know?
 
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I really don't understand why people have to obsess so much about this stuff, it bores me to tears. There was definitely a large NL5Hz grow and that is where A5, C5 etc comes from, why do people care beyond that? It's anal and annoying, quite frankly.
 
my reponse below as to which i believe nev got heated

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All 3 lines were made with different fathers at least and this was 20 years ago
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I don't remember being heated, merely frustrated that people did not seem to understand what I was saying, namely that the cup winners were the same plant. What people did with it would be different in each case.

http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/showpost....4&postcount=27
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This post by Shanti is 100% accurate.

In the '90s, a variety known as Diesel was making a name for itself. When I smoked it I knew instantly that this was exactly the same plant and they had a cutting.
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I am questioning the accuracy of this statement I made. It could have been 2001. I've never been good with dates. I remember the guy, He was working on trying to expand the hole he had made in his earlobe. I was stoned and couldn't put the idea out of my head that he was working up to coke can size and if he substituted a coke bottle for the plug, you could say, The Gods must be crazy.
N.
 
I hear ya on the ear thing. I once met a guy in a coffeeshop who told me all about how he inserted a steel tod into his urethra as a sex aid, said his wife loved the super stiffness. He showed us the new rod he had just bought in Chickita's Sex Paradis.
 
british_hempire said:
I really don't understand why people have to obsess so much about this stuff, it bores me to tears. There was definitely a large NL5Hz grow and that is where A5, C5 etc comes from, why do people care beyond that? It's anal and annoying, quite frankly.
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seems to bean indirect comment toward me which id appreciate if you just quoted my post or said my name out right

obsession passion whatever you may call it has lead me too a beautiful place in my life wonderful generous people information not on the net ,before this year is over i wish to put out my origins of haze piece

as for being anal i recall a time when you yourself were quite serious as to detail and had a thought of putting out a origins of haze article ,which as i said in the past
most of both your info come from the thread i started 2/19/08
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referring to you n hempy

many know my passioin for haze is unlike most i thought you would understand this more soo than most

i recall a pm discussion where you views as to nevilles thoughts were a bit different ,than your current


i have much respect for you but only god can judge me ,i always respectfully state my opinions and i will speak my thoughts it doesnt matter who i speak with im always honest .


the fact you say my statement or thoughts are annoyin is quite upsetting ,such a bore why comment ,especially with nothing to add

its very clear that the story neville reports of the female cutting being the same for ssh/JH /diesel is different to the reported shanti tale i wanted to be clear as to the facts since neville has been very open and detailed which i greatly appreciate.im curious as to if im takin shanti words the wrong way or there is somthing not clear

shanti quote below

Consider this, to find the SSH female parent it took Nev over 1000 seeds flowered out over several years
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if the female cutting was the same for JH in 94/95 why or how was 1000 seeds grown out in 96/97 for ssh


the OSH A5 C5 have nothing to do with the parents of any of the current mns strain you should know this


its all love family has arguments but im bothered by the commments


1luvbigherb
 
Nevil said:
I don't remember being heated, merely frustrated that people did not seem to understand what I was saying, namely that the cup winners were the same plant. What people did with it would be different in each case.

This post by Shanti is 100% accurate.


I am questioning the accuracy of this statement I made. It could have been 2001. I've never been good with dates. I remember the guy, He was working on trying to expand the hole he had made in his earlobe. I was stoned and couldn't put the idea out of my head that he was working up to coke can size and if he substituted a coke bottle for the plug, you could say, The Gods must be crazy.
N.
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as i said before its all love and respect to you and shanti foremost aswell as the rest of the mns family

i asked what bother you then and you didnt respond

im a great listener ,i dont wish to fustrate you and cant see how i did ,i understand you said people but you did quote my post soo i did take it as the whole post was for me

i understood that the cup winners JH/SSH were the same plant the post # 16 is wonderful very informative which brought me to my thought your post n shanti not coinciding


he referenceyou make im not 100% on it has ti be yourself or shanti as for the first strain being called diesel ,but im not sure of this and cant find info to back it up

as for diesel being the same cutting ,you have answeed my question but not direct as to which diesel you refer to ,but its obviously not the chem line


as for the shanti post the link i cant open it and would love to read it


i appreciate your style and approach thankyou for your creative detailed responses ,its been a ball aswell as very educational conversing with you and reading your post .you seem to be genius with a great personality to match


as for 2001 reference the deez you refer to surely couldnt be of realtion to the chem line

1luvbigherb
 
i asked what bother you then and you didnt respond
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Sorry Bigherb. I don't really like writing and I don't have much more than a page a day in me. I must have reached my quota that day. Lots of people send me PMs and ask questions on the forum and I get swamped. Please, and this is for all of you, don't feel slighted if I fail to respond immediately to your questions. I take it in and eventually I respond in general in a post to the important questions.

In my mind, you are all part of my family and it's only my genuine fondness for you that could persuade me to write as much as I do.
N.
 
Nevil said:
Sorry Bigherb. I don't really like writing and I don't have much more than a page a day in me. I must have reached my quota that day. Lots of people send me PMs and ask questions on the forum and I get swamped. Please, and this is for all of you, don't feel slighted if I fail to respond immediately to your questions. I take it in and eventually I respond in general in a post to the important questions.

In my mind, you are all part of my family and it's only my genuine fondness for you that could persuade me to write as much as I do.
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its all love

i understand i thoroughly understand,if its somthing real important i usually ask more than once if needed .

this is why i truly respect and love you as a person ,because of your genuiness ,you are one of a kind .im most thankful you came to the boards for us all.


im also very thankful for the nevilles haze which i fall more in love with every grow as she is dear to my heart and my heart is my home (nyc hazes),this years outdoor nevs is a very hazey expression i exspect a incense pheno and i hope for som more decent weather


1luvbigherb
 
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