I haven't seen these threads you're talking about but what Broseidon and Big Sur are saying all makes sense.
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?threadid=347821
The start of the thread is idiotic. The OP wants to talk about his religious enlightenment and proposes that we are all creating abominations by growing hybrids. We should all grow landraces and keep the kinds clean and pure or some shit.
It's really medieval.
If you go to page 7 or 9 or sth and following, the discussion turns to "well what is actually going too far in modifying plants etc.?"
And the GMO/CRISPR discussion starts.
/Edit I just went over the thread again and the meat and potatoes about GMO/CRISPR starts at page 15, post 148 where Sam posts (and I quote):
"In general I oppose GMO crops, they may or not be safe but I hate they way it is used to create varieties that are resistant to Roundup and the like.
CRISPR is different in that no foreign DNA is inserted, it is a tool to edit the genes, and does really the same as breeding but with much more rapid results, as the same alterations will occur in nature or in classical breeding at a much slower rate. CRISPR tech can be considered organic by some groups and not by others. The USDA and various Organic Associations around the world seem to differ on opinions. It can be used to reduce dependence on pesticides, and fungicides, that is good.
CRISPR tech does not require the same disclosure as GMO crops with inserted foreign genes in them, CRISPR can be done with Cannabis and no one could tell the difference between a plant breed using classical breeding and a CRISPR modified plant, so it will happen, but to use the tech it is expensive and also proprietary tech but the savings in time, labor and money using it compared to classical breeding will ensure it is widely use in the near future.
-SamS "
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I didn't read it all but check it out for yourselves. From what I skimmed, it seems to me that Sam is arguing CRISPR is like "GMO-light" or something, basically nothing "worse" than crossing strains and creating hybrids.
That was my impression.
I spoke with Sam personally once or twice and the man is far and beyond what simple amateurs like you and me can hope to achieve in terms of growing and understanding cannabis. He just has that much experience and knowledge and access to things you and I can only dream off.
Kind of like Shanti and Nevil in many ways if you want to go that far.
But I also quickly got the impression from both our few and short conversations and his general posts and expressions on forums and elsewhere, that Sam has, if any, a very limited moral compass.
Pair that all with Sam's shady past and the alleged (or all but proven) cooperation with the DEA....
It all fits.
And it also is very logical that he would again sell out to protect his own interests and is now working on GMO cannabis with Big AG and pharma while trying to/convincing "his followers" or the community at large that he would never be involved in something like that and that what he is working on is CRISPR and we all just don't understand what it is because of course it isn't anything like GMO cannabis and we are all just afraid of science and progress etc. etc.
That is my impression/summary of the situation.
And keep in mind that lying, distorting the truth etc. etc. is very common, even second nature, to many in the cannabis business. They had to rely on such strategies for so long that it just became second nature to them.
And it is widespread.
I feel like Shanti and MRN crew are a unicorn in that sense but I might be wrong about them, too.
Everywhere else, if you look, you will likely find lies and the like.
Another good example I like to give is Serious Seeds and the AK47.
Go to their vendor's forum over at IC and ask them about the AK47. They will STILL to this day lie to your face and claim it is the same as it always was, original parents blabla.
A blatant lie, only absolute newbies with no contacts and no knowledge will believe it. But that is enough reason for them to keep the lie up for more than a decade now.
People in this industry lie and cheat and throw others under the bus for their personal gain, constantly.
Broseidon out