Freedom_Fighter
2025 Circle of Excellence
HAPPY B-DAY, braddah! What a way to celebrate it. May you be blessed with a very healthy, long and peaceful life, my friend!
Three cheers!
Neville's Haze, in search of a keeper
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HAPPY B-DAY, braddah! What a way to celebrate it. May you be blessed with a very healthy, long and peaceful life, my friend!
Three cheers!
Freedom_Fighter
2025 Circle of Excellence
Awesome! Glad to hear your friend was able to assist in the recovery. Yah, one major loss is all it takes. Thanks for dropping us some golden grow tips.
Yes, very true Musashi. In the above video on 'Probiotics for the Soil?', it's implied that cannabis has an optimal fungal to bacteria ratio, generally, of 1:1, but I've also heard Lowenfels claim that it varies, depending on the cultivar. Fast autos, he says, prefer bacteria dominant soil / mix; long flowering tropical sativas prefer the more fungal dominant ones.
Anyway, here's a slide from that part of the video:
To help measure that ratio, and optimize it, Jeff recommends a very affordable tool called the microBIOMETER :
Growing Cannabis Organically & the Soil Food Web - Jeff Lowenfels || Verde Natural Dispensary
*** At 55:22 of the above video, Lowenfels promotes the microBIOMETER System, invented by Dr. Judy Fitzpatrick.
Author, Researcher & Cannabis Grower Jeff Lowenfels Chats with Dr. Judy Fitzpatrick (06/16/20)
The 'Get In My Garden' Podcast, with Dr. Judy Fitzpatrick
Episode #81 • Soil Testing for Microbes
https://anchor.fm/get-in-my-garden-...ZYuVSMU6QesugofkKEiQ_Cv2nAxy8Y4cIA89iI6PxsdcA
Episode #82 • How Microbes Negotiate within Soil
https://anchor.fm/get-in-my-garden-...ate-within-Soil--with-Judy-Fitzpatrick-et0nmr
Awesome, mu! I love your cultivation practice. Very solid.
Cheers, bro'! - FF
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You're welcome, it's always a pleasure to help if I can.Thank you Zero0 for your post,very useful and I'm sure it will help others reading this.
I will source some calcium hydroxide, it is easy to get and it is good to have it as a back up.
I did started cloning along time ago with rockwool and rooting powder, Pherhaps I should revisit it again to see If I can get the same results as now.
With the peat plugs and clonex I'm used to get 100% succes rate.
As you say, calcium hydroxide is a very good product to have in an case of emergency. Strangely few people use it, especially in the cannabis world, even though it's very effective against fungi, bacterias and insects. Is also very safe for humans and plants.
You just have to remember to use it only in an emergency whit not too big doses (can burn leafs or roots if there is too much) and not continuously.
I think for soil treatment 0,5g max per liter its ok.
And for leafs spraying use 0,25g per liter max (mixed whit citric acid).
It's very strange that after 20 years of success with the same products you've had these problems. Maybe a bad batch ?
I remember taking cuttings with root riot cubes + clonex, and I had about a 40% success rate with the same problems as you.
Then I changed to rockwool cubes and "Root!T" gel (hormones free) and the success rate was a bit better.
Well to tell the truth I haven't practicing cloning very often and I'm not the best at it...
I'm more used to make f2, f3, etc. and starting from seed without selection.
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Swifty
'23, '24, ‘25 COE Winner
I do believe that it was the batch that was contaminated @Zero0, not looking back and with al the good tips from yourself and other members I look forward!
Today is saw the first male reveal itself, looks very nice but does stink a lot when stem rubbed.
I will not cull the males, very curious to see what they bring to the table.
Western Winds x Neville's Haze/ Honolulu x Neville's Haze/ SSH x Neville's Haze sound very exciting.
If I find a resinous strong haze male I will try to keep him.
These hazes have been cut back a couple of times now but they will not be tamed.
These are very vigourous plants, it looks like making new cuts will not be a problem.
Today is saw the first male reveal itself, looks very nice but does stink a lot when stem rubbed.
I will not cull the males, very curious to see what they bring to the table.
Western Winds x Neville's Haze/ Honolulu x Neville's Haze/ SSH x Neville's Haze sound very exciting.
If I find a resinous strong haze male I will try to keep him.
These hazes have been cut back a couple of times now but they will not be tamed.
These are very vigourous plants, it looks like making new cuts will not be a problem.
Calcium hydroxide or slaked lime which @Zero0 mentioned earlier, was/is used in the Pacific and Asia in conjunction with Betel nut. It is known to activate the psychoactive alkaloids within the nut. I remember my Grandmother, when she used to come visit us having a red mouth full of nut, occasionally spitting like a man lol. But that was a long time ago.
An earlier thread about Grandparents if interested
mu
An earlier thread about Grandparents if interested
mu
Swifty
'23, '24, ‘25 COE Winner
Small update on the cuts: 19/47cuts survived, of those 17 are showing roots and are ok.
I expect that the remaining 2 will root in the next few days.
After dessinfecting everything it was still possible to remake 28 cuts with other peat cubes and Clonex.
They look good so far but is has only been a day.
As usual the males are the fastest and are futher into flowering, hope they will root.
I did not cull the males yet in the tent, I left a small node on each of them as back-up if the rooting fails again.
I have 9 confirmed males and 2 females for now.
Fingers crossed!
I expect that the remaining 2 will root in the next few days.
After dessinfecting everything it was still possible to remake 28 cuts with other peat cubes and Clonex.
They look good so far but is has only been a day.
As usual the males are the fastest and are futher into flowering, hope they will root.
I did not cull the males yet in the tent, I left a small node on each of them as back-up if the rooting fails again.
I have 9 confirmed males and 2 females for now.
Fingers crossed!
Skuncle Lenny
'23, '24, ‘25 COE Winner
Smart move keeping not culling until clones root 
Swifty
'23, '24, ‘25 COE Winner
Day 17 of flowering today.
Hazes will be hazes, they have grown a lot the past week.
I am feeding them 2ml/l Alga grow with every watering until the stretch is over.
The pots were amended with fresh soil + bat guano today.
I pruned every plant of excess leaves and branches to leave one branch for flowers.
This also helps the smaller plants to get more light and still develop. Most are doing great.
Pictures from the tent:
You can see that I let the smaller plants have more leaves and branches.
The first females are showing:
And another male:
After I spot a male I remove him but not completly until I have his cut rooted, this is what I leave for now:
One clone from the first round showed roots, only two more go from that batch.
Total is 18 now.
Hazes will be hazes, they have grown a lot the past week.
I am feeding them 2ml/l Alga grow with every watering until the stretch is over.
The pots were amended with fresh soil + bat guano today.
I pruned every plant of excess leaves and branches to leave one branch for flowers.
This also helps the smaller plants to get more light and still develop. Most are doing great.
Pictures from the tent:
You can see that I let the smaller plants have more leaves and branches.
The first females are showing:
And another male:
After I spot a male I remove him but not completly until I have his cut rooted, this is what I leave for now:
One clone from the first round showed roots, only two more go from that batch.
Total is 18 now.
Swifty
'23, '24, ‘25 COE Winner
Small update on the cuts:
From the first attempt 19/19 are rooted, moms/dads from these are secure now.
The cuts from the second attempt are doing great (6 days since I made them) 28/28 are alive and I expect them to be rooting in a week.
I believe that the previous fail was caused by contaminated peat plugs.
From the first attempt 19/19 are rooted, moms/dads from these are secure now.
The cuts from the second attempt are doing great (6 days since I made them) 28/28 are alive and I expect them to be rooting in a week.
I believe that the previous fail was caused by contaminated peat plugs.
Swifty
'23, '24, ‘25 COE Winner
Day 21 of flowering, small update:
So far there are:
-14 males
-19 females
-14 undetermined
The tallest plants stand at 110cm from the ground, even after topping them several times!
Nev's Haze stretches more than Mango Haze, Mango Haze IBL and Nevilles Haze Mango.
Never seen 4 branches on a single node, this plant also has a flatter stem more on the top:
I saw 2 plants that have 3 branches on a single node:
So far there are:
-14 males
-19 females
-14 undetermined
The tallest plants stand at 110cm from the ground, even after topping them several times!
Nev's Haze stretches more than Mango Haze, Mango Haze IBL and Nevilles Haze Mango.
Never seen 4 branches on a single node, this plant also has a flatter stem more on the top:
I saw 2 plants that have 3 branches on a single node:
Swifty
'23, '24, ‘25 COE Winner
Day 28 of flowering.
So far there are:
-28 females
-17 males
-2 unknown
I will look into the cuttings this weekend to see how many are rooted now but so far they all live and look ok.
Some have rooted this week (mostly males) and these are already eliminated in the flower tent.
Just before taking the pictures I topped some more, the biggest plants have 2 branches left for flowers.
After eliminating the males I will put a scrog net in the tent to help rearrange the tops in order to have the best light on each.
Feeding is still at 2ml/L Alga grow, plants have a nice green colour.
I don't see much NL in these pheno's, the sativa side is dominant in these plants.
The smaller lower plants that grow slower still have a chance.
By pruning severely they still get enough light.
I know that some will go 16+ weeks just by looking at their budset now.
Is this what they call a triploid?
Never encountered this in all of my years of growing.
It does look special!
So far there are:
-28 females
-17 males
-2 unknown
I will look into the cuttings this weekend to see how many are rooted now but so far they all live and look ok.
Some have rooted this week (mostly males) and these are already eliminated in the flower tent.
Just before taking the pictures I topped some more, the biggest plants have 2 branches left for flowers.
After eliminating the males I will put a scrog net in the tent to help rearrange the tops in order to have the best light on each.
Feeding is still at 2ml/L Alga grow, plants have a nice green colour.
I don't see much NL in these pheno's, the sativa side is dominant in these plants.
The smaller lower plants that grow slower still have a chance.
By pruning severely they still get enough light.
I know that some will go 16+ weeks just by looking at their budset now.
Is this what they call a triploid?
Never encountered this in all of my years of growing.
It does look special!
Ptree
'21, '24, ‘25 COE Winner
Swifty
'23, '24, ‘25 COE Winner
Day 34 of flowering today, small update.
There are only 2 males left in the tent, the rest is rooted.
Out of the 47 plants there are 40 that are backed up as a clone (rooted).
Tomorrow I will prune for the last time and put a scrog net in it to help keep them up.
This will also help the 3 females that are smaller and stayed under the canopy to get some more light.
As you can see they are heavy sativa dominant, not one is showing indica structure or leaves now.
I read on an other site that others reported a lot of NL influenced phenos, I guess I'm lucky out of 47 plants!
This is what I have now:
Quite a few plants show early resin on the stems and leaves:
Only 7 plants need to root, the cuts look ok so far but I will make sure I don't prune the plants that have not rooted cuts.
I will make more pictures tomorrow.
There are only 2 males left in the tent, the rest is rooted.
Out of the 47 plants there are 40 that are backed up as a clone (rooted).
Tomorrow I will prune for the last time and put a scrog net in it to help keep them up.
This will also help the 3 females that are smaller and stayed under the canopy to get some more light.
As you can see they are heavy sativa dominant, not one is showing indica structure or leaves now.
I read on an other site that others reported a lot of NL influenced phenos, I guess I'm lucky out of 47 plants!
This is what I have now:
Quite a few plants show early resin on the stems and leaves:
Only 7 plants need to root, the cuts look ok so far but I will make sure I don't prune the plants that have not rooted cuts.
I will make more pictures tomorrow.
HazedNConfused
Well-known member
With both luck and skill you have a beautiful batch of NH!
If I may offer my limited experience
I read the same complaints. Can't recall which site...ultimately took it with a grain of salt. I also don't worry about indica looking leaves anymore. The genes are in there.
My first run wasn't huge, but 2 of 7 were NL leaning in leaf morphology, but NOT in effect or overall structure. When flowered outside (and left to fend for themselves) those same 2 more NL leaning phenos look very much like what I'd expect from NH. And grown inside, that NL expression faded over time
Swifty
'23, '24, ‘25 COE Winner
Thank you HazedNConfused.
Good to hear you had positive results also and what you observed is also what I see in the MNS hazes.
Once the plants are fully mature you see there pedigree shining through and then they stay the same.
Greetings.
Swifty
'23, '24, ‘25 COE Winner
Day 35 of flowering.
Good news, every plant has shown its gender now:
-28 females
-19 males
There is only one male left in the tent, the clone I made from him is not rooted yet but still looking ok.
The males will go outside in one or two big pots to let them flower to evaluate.
I will make new cuts so I still have them. I hope to find a couple of decent males (trichs+aroma) to make seeds with next year.
I spent a couple of hours checking every female and prune them as I see needed (minimum 2 branches on every plant, smaller ones are untopped).
I lost count on how many times I topped/ pruned them, these would be giants If I let them go by themselves.
I installed a scrog net to help support the branches better in later stage.
This also helps to spread the branches more evenly.
They still look a little roughed up but I'm happy with how things look.
Lighting is at 70%, I'm not running these plants hard, I hope to have good quality.
The scrubber is placed in the back so the light could be hung a bit higher if needed.
The fan is placed front right side now blowing gently downwards.
They have 3ml/l Algro with every watering no bloom ferts yet.
After growing MH/MHI and NHM I observed that it would be better to give them more and longer nitrogen.
So far they seem to like it.
I water more often now but in smaller doses.
Temps stay between 23-27°C.
Here is the tent today:
These girls are ready and prepared to make flowers, excited to see what I have.
Good news, every plant has shown its gender now:
-28 females
-19 males
There is only one male left in the tent, the clone I made from him is not rooted yet but still looking ok.
The males will go outside in one or two big pots to let them flower to evaluate.
I will make new cuts so I still have them. I hope to find a couple of decent males (trichs+aroma) to make seeds with next year.
I spent a couple of hours checking every female and prune them as I see needed (minimum 2 branches on every plant, smaller ones are untopped).
I lost count on how many times I topped/ pruned them, these would be giants If I let them go by themselves.
I installed a scrog net to help support the branches better in later stage.
This also helps to spread the branches more evenly.
They still look a little roughed up but I'm happy with how things look.
Lighting is at 70%, I'm not running these plants hard, I hope to have good quality.
The scrubber is placed in the back so the light could be hung a bit higher if needed.
The fan is placed front right side now blowing gently downwards.
They have 3ml/l Algro with every watering no bloom ferts yet.
After growing MH/MHI and NHM I observed that it would be better to give them more and longer nitrogen.
So far they seem to like it.
I water more often now but in smaller doses.
Temps stay between 23-27°C.
Here is the tent today:
These girls are ready and prepared to make flowers, excited to see what I have.
