Mutant chronicals

[Pantagruel]

Fresh freaks!

Recently planted a bunch of gear from various shady sources....not really all that shady. Actually quite reputable in fact. All hail MNS and all that jazz... Two wierdos from the same pack of BOGs Sour Lifesaver right here. These are the "tricky dick" phenos.

 

[Pantagruel]

Here is an updated photo . One is growing the other is not

 

[Pantagruel]

Here is a Loompa Farms Yeti F3. One of thirty, only one that was abnormal. Similar mutant formation...

 

[O in front of G]

Double branching nodes

Here's a cool one.. Double branching at each node instead of a large fan and a single shoot. Makes cloning easier ill say that much. Typically the main shoot over powers the second shoot and they must be pruned off early flower but ive structured one to see how it will balance itself out in flower and it might yield more than average. Potency is solid as i feel most mutants carry an extra punch which soon turns them into "elite" or prized phenos. This particular lady is a genetic cluster fuck. White OG female that got hit with the forum cut of girl scout cookies.

Until next time...

OG

 

[weezy]

I popped some sour lifesaver too. Had two mutants. And a really high number of males. Could have been bad luck I would suspect inbreeding has to do with it?

 

[Pantagruel]

I havent necessarily equated mutants with potency but occasionally it is so. I do find them to be very interesting and always try to breed with them. Just out of curiosity. I am always looking for mutant traits that might arise in the progeny.

 

[la resistance verte]

hi, good thread
i focus myself on the" tricotiledon plant",
i ve a tricotiledon PP mother for a long time,
from this time i sprouted arround 900/950 seeds,just 3 plant was tricotiledon,
2 female a long time ago with out interest
recently i found a tricotiledon male plant in a agent orange pack,

i crossed them , i got 10 gram of seed, i already sprouted 100 /150
but i didnt found one tricotiledon plant,
i hope i will find a male to cross with the mother.....

i realy like the shape of those plants and it s yield more

do you if people / breeder already work on this kind of plant?

i will post pics of those plants soon

peace

 

[Pantagruel]

Yeah, RV. You are not alone. On THC farmer there is a dude named Sativied that has a good thread entitled Breeding for Whorls. It's in the breeders lab section. Whorled phyllotaxy isn't all that easy to breed for it turns out.

 

[Betterhaff]

I knocked up a whorled girl and have bunches of seed but haven’t cracked any yet. There was a member here and at IC that was also doing a breeding project with them and I think he was having some success carrying it forward but not sure if there were any other benefits, just the whorled phyllotaxy.

Lol, Scabies.

 

[weezy]

I can't remember which strain it is but one of the mr nice strains shows the tri leaf. I popped something from me nice when I was first starting to grow and I got 2 of them just don't remember what strain. I try to focus on the character of the buds more then what happens in Veg

 

[la resistance verte]

hi
cool i m not alone
thx you pantagruel,i take a note
it will be cool if you remember the strain wizzy,i never found one in mns pack,

lrv

 

[la resistance verte]

i also found few twins,most of them in jtr from tga,
true blueberry = true mutant
duckfoot

 

[PlantManBee]

whorled phyllotaxy is neat but is usually transient and doesn't mean anything IME.

he he tricky dicky

I'm running a few "mutants" right now... actually they started funny but grew out of it. One is a cross of two Chimera strains, his Mexican Highland to his GrapefruitxBlueberry(sweettooth). DJshort's chosen BB's were the days so we have some bb recombination (possibly/hopefully). One of these had just one cotyledon, but pulled through and in fact she's a girl She''l be in flower shortly.

The other is a CBD shark that started with two cotyledons but just one true leaf to begin with...so no apparent apical meristem... but she too grew out of it.

Here's a track that mentions tricky dicky specifically
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAgLY9RzwME

 

[Sativied]

whorled phyllotaxy is neat but is usually transient and doesn't mean anything IME.

"transient", I like that. The difference with my whorlers opposed to those that start as tricots and grow out of a temporary tri-whorled phase, is that mine start out as regular and start whorling later (4th node - 11th so far). Some branches on some, most on others, topping or bending the main stem actually encourages that.

The wp in tricots however is often just a logical result of three cotyledons, following "The Hofmeister rule: new organ primordia are placed in the widest available gap in the meristem, as far away as possible from preexisting primordia (Hofmeister, 1868)."

The models in the image attached depict that nicely. First is regular/decusate, second spiral, third is triwhorled/tricussate.

Ime it does however mean a few things. Tri whorled is in theory clearly better phyllotaxy (in terms of spread and direct light) than regular opposite. With regular leaf 5 and 6 overlap 1 and 2, with triwhorled the first 6 leaves don't overlap. Each successive node is rotate 60degrees (hoffmeister rule). Nice in theory, but also in practice, especially during veg. They don't necessarily veg faster but do create more "plant" at the same rate which in practice when doing some canopy control can in practice mean being able to fill the room faster.

I've long refuted they yield more, I've tested it amongst plants and even on the same plant (tri vs regular bud), and after being about to finish a run of generation of which more than half are whorlers (originally started out with a quad, crossed with 4 strains), I got to say, it depends. A tri whorled bud (made up of many small clusters of calyxes) isn't necessarily larger than regular, but a tri-whorled cola does have more bud than a regular. Also once alternating tri-whorled has more internodes than regular (spreading out 3 instead of 2).

That said, only so many buds and so many leaves one can put in a given space which can be done using regular and tri, so all in all, it's really not about more yield. The benefit during vegging is a matter of days not weeks difference.

It's above all "neat" and I find the way how they develop (mine go from regular to whorling by throwing one divergent leaf at a golden angle first) fascinating. It's just a hobby. The trait is usually early to spot even though they don't start out as triwhorled, so I can run more than a couple of dozen and actually get some idea of the ratios.

Plant in pic is non-alternating, so all three still on same level. Those that I veg long enough to mature start alternating and basically turn into spiral phyllotaxy.

 

[Sativied]

And "hi", just noticed that was my first post, was already surprised I have an account here.

 

[Bubbla]

I've had a few grows where a single branch, looks just like a polyploid, with four leaves & four branches coming from each internode? Had the same thing but with three branches from each node on a single branch too, only ever with Fems. Only ever on the one branch though, had it a couple of times over last few grows. The branches in question did produce more bud than the others but I never bothered to take cuts because it was only a single branch which did it & not the whole plant. The branches were always about a third thicker than all the other branches too, weird one.


Peace B

 

[Sativied]

I've had a few grows where a single branch, looks just like a polyploid, with four leaves & four branches coming from each internode? Had the same thing but with three branches from each node on a single branch too, only ever with Fems.

That's whorled phyllotaxy and sounds very much like the male I started out with, although it did had some quad branches as well.

They look indeed like polyploid but are not, polyploid refers to an extra set(s) of chromosomes.

Attached a female tri with a quad branch and some male shots. I focus on tri-whorled only.

 

[PrimalHaze]

Howdy Sativied, those whorlys are pretty damn cool. Thanks for sharing the killer photos.

I like that you jumped down this rabbit hole in your breeding. What strain did these come from? Do the branches and clones express the same whorled formations?

Pantagruelion, your mutant yeti looks nutz, i've never seen a seedling like that, it looks like swiss chard or something.

-pH

p.s... does anybody know any strains that express the buds on the leaf? I've seen a handful of photos but not sure if it is common to any one strain??

One or 2 were Jack Herer crosses, one is a gorilla bubble and 1 was ace of spades.

These things:

 

[Bubbla]

That's whorled phyllotaxy and sounds very much like the male I started out with, although it did had some quad branches as well.

They look indeed like polyploid but are not, polyploid refers to an extra set(s) of chromosomes.

Attached a female tri with a quad branch and some male shots. I focus on tri-whorled only.

Hi Sativied

That's just how they looked, definitely whorled, yeah knew it wasn't polypoid like I said, just those single branches which looked like it. That's a weird word, whorl ! Know what it means, don't use it much though. I haven't got time to grow out deformed/mutant plants for fun, unfortunately.

Peace B

 

[Mestizo]

p.s... does anybody know any strains that express the buds on the leaf? I've seen a handful of photos but not sure if it is common to any one strain??

Apparently there are some Chinese strains that have buds in the middle of leaves fairly regularly. I remember reading a strain local to the Yunnan province. Read it's feature of ganja found in Uzbekistan also.